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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-18-09 03:53 AM
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Dave Lindorff: Obama, Seeing Darkness, Conjures up the Mists of Time
http://www.buzzflash.com/articles/lindorff/226


Back in 1965, as a 15-year-old kid, I had a chance to spend half a year as a student at a boy's gymnasium (high school) in Darmstadt, the cultural capital of the German state of Hesse, which had the distinction of having been one of a handful of cities in Germany (Dresden was another) that were selected by the Allies to test out the terror tactic of firebombing. The town was chosen for incendiary bombardment precisely because it had no military value and thus, no air defenses (and because it consisted mostly of wooden structures). With Germany still wreaking horrific damage on the Allied bomber fleet, this made it an inviting target.

Friends and teachers recounted to me the terrors of that night, when the entire city of several hundred thousand, built mostly of wood, went up in a giant bonfire so hot and powerful that it sucked people into it with a 200 mph vortex of inward rushing air. People who hid in shelters were asphyxiated by the lack of oxygen, while those who tried to flee sank knee deep into asphalt streets. Two mountains outside town were man-made piles of rubble left over from the city's ruins, which were for the most part just carted away. There was little left to rebuild.

While I was stunned by the horror of it at the time, I still felt that after all, Germans had brought this disaster on themselves. After all, they had allowed the Nazi monsters to gain control of the nation and then proceeded with a genocidal campaign of extermination of Jews -- even German Jews who were their own neighbors -- of Gypsies, gays, and of course, Communists, and had launched a war that ultimately killed tens of millions of people around the world...I mention all this because one thing I noticed back then, not among young people in Germany, but among adults my parents' age and older, was a widespread denial about what Germany had done. And I remember feeling, as many Americans and Europeans still do, and as many Chinese and other Asians still feel about Japan, that these two countries have never been willing to face up to the crimes that they, as a nation, permitted to happen in their names.

Older and wiser now, I am well aware that our own country has committed many crimes, some on a scale approaching those of Germany and Japan: the near extermination of Native Americans, the mass, centuries-long enslavement and cultural and physical destruction of millions of African slaves, the use of nuclear bombs on civilian targets, the decade-long saturation bombing and herbicidal poisoning of most of Indochina. It's a long and terrible list, and for the most part, in our schools, in our politics, in our histories, we don't talk about, and even justify and deny our own atrocities.

Now we have a president who is perhaps doing something worse. Admitting that the last administration of President George Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney ordered up a program of illegal and inhuman torture of captives in the Iraq and Afghanistan Wars and in the so-called War on Terror that was launched by them in the wake of the 9-11 attacks in 2001, and offering up documentary evidence of the chain of command that set the country on this criminal course, President Obama now says that to move beyond this "dark and painful chapter in our history," he will not seek or permit any prosecution of those who committed torture of captives.

"Nothing will be gained," Obama said, "by spending our time and energy laying blame for the past."

I'm not that concerned about whether individual torturers in the CIA or the military get prosecuted. If the president had said he would not prosecute people who "thought" they were acting under proper authority and behaving legally, but then added that he would pursue those who authorized and ordered them to torture, I would not have fussed. But that is not what he said. The implication of his statement, and the fact that he has not, this far into his term, ordered his Attorney General to appoint a prosecutor to investigate those who were responsible for the crime, given what he clearly knows about its authors, is the worst possible of travesties, and rises to the level of a war crime itself.

Now I don't want to equate America's torture of a few hundred or a few thousand captives by making them endure waterboarding or by placing plastic neckbands and leashes on them and slamming their heads into walls, with what the victims of Buchenwald or Auschwitz endured, but that is really not the issue. The issue is, do we as a nation now subscribe to the idea that the way to deal with evil perpetrated by ourselves is to bury it?

Isn't that precisely what we have been for decades accusing the Germans and the Japanese of doing: burying in the mists of time their criminal behavior as a people and as a nation?

And now our president -- whose own wife and daughters are descendants of slave victims of another era of American atrocities -- is telling us we should do the same thing as Germany and Japan: forget and move on.

But the president is wrong. Darkness does not go away when the fog comes. It just gets darker.

Let's shine a light. Sign the petition: No Amnesty for Torturers!

http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/node/41777

DAVE LINDORFF is a Philadelphia-based journalist. His latest work is "The Case for Impeachment" (St. Martin's Press, 2009). His work is available at www.thiscantbehappening.net.
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-18-09 05:33 AM
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1. I stopped at this line of utter bullshit: "we have a president who is perhaps doing something worse"
Edited on Sat Apr-18-09 05:37 AM by HamdenRice
Right. This nut is arguing:

Obama is worse than the extermination of the Native Americans.

Obama is worse than the slave trade.

Obama is worse that Hitler.

Obama is worse than the Holocaust.

Obama is worse than the allied bombing of Dresden.

Obama is worse that Hiroshima.

Obama is worse than the saturation bombing and use of agent orange in Vietnam.

And you post this crap?

Come on people. Have you lost your cotton pickin' minds?

:silly: :crazy: :silly:

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bread_and_roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-18-09 06:22 AM
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2. Worse than ignoring our past atrocities. The comparison is between responses, not actions -
As is quite clear in the article. It is Obama's admitting the torture and then saying "let's move beyond" it (or words to that effect) without justice for the perpetrators that is "worse" than totally ignoring. Your rant is disingenuous.

I agree with the author. It is long past time we began to face up to our history and actions.
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truth2power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-18-09 09:52 AM
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4. Exactly! That rant is disingenuous and way over the top...
What the OP is saying is that to deny and cover-up is almost worse than the original crimes. It's not about what Obama is .

I've said here before that anyone who argues that Obama is correct in his opinion that we should just move on because this is all in the past must also argue that the Nuremburg trials should never have happened.

After all, the crimes committed by the defendants at Nuremburg also happened in the past .

Obama is also being disingenuous. Why, I have no idea, but it makes me wonder just whose interests he is serving.



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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-18-09 06:55 AM
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3. Analysis: Week of change for Obama
WASHINGTON (AP) — In a whirlwind week of change, President Barack Obama jettisoned Bush administration policy on greenhouse gases, shone an unforgiving light on its support for torture as an interrogation tactic and eased its restrictions on Cuba.

But there are limits, even to this new president's power, and a campaign pledge to seek a ban on assault weapons is an early casualty as a result.

And while the promise of change was arguably Obama's single most powerful asset in last year's campaign, the week demonstrated anew how carefully he calibrates its impact.

"We have been through a dark and painful chapter in our history," the president said in a statement that accompanied the release of once-secret memos outlining torture techniques the Bush administration allowed.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ho7qC-fIufimhEL3PcLDswDYtTVwD97KO9801
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