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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 05:32 AM
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I never believed the US would turn on its torturers so swiftly (Philippe Sands / The Observer)
The lawyer who exposed those behind America's interrogation techniques believes a criminal investigation is now essential
Philippe Sands
The Observer, Sunday 26 April 2009

... Early on, the very notion of criminal investigations against the senior lawyers and officials seemed almost preposterous. Yet as the idea got off the ground, it developed, fed by a seething, broad discontent that led, at last, to hearings before Congress, at which I testified three times. Last summer, 54 members of the House of Representatives called for the appointment of a special prosecutor. Hearings proceeded; thousands of pages of new documents emerged; the story firmed up; the central, dastardly role of the lawyers became ever clearer as a common plan to get around the laws came into sight. Laws didn't apply or they created no rights for detainees. Established definitions of torture were ditched. Objections from lawyers with knowledge were cast aside. Security and national interest trumped all.

Most accounts I was given held up, but not all. Diane Beaver was the military lawyer at Guantnamo, on whose erroneous legal advice the Bush administration said it relied. She told me again and again she had no knowledge of secret legal memos written in the DoJ. But last summer, a five-pager emerged, detailing a secret meeting just nine days before she signed off on her legal advice. It described a CIA lawyer alerting her to DoJ advice authorising new interrogation techniques. The document blew away her assurances. "If the detainee dies," the CIA lawyer says, "you're doing it wrong."

The complicity and weakness of others was more obvious. Doug Feith was third in command at the Pentagon, in charge of policy. He told me that he knew nothing about any specific interrogation issues until Rumsfeld's memo landed on his desk. But that wasn't right. In the memo, Haynes wrote: "I have discussed this with ... Doug Feith." When I read the sentence aloud to Feith, his response was to tell me that I had mispronounced his name. "It's Fythe," he said. "Not Faith." Last week, a new Senate report revealed that his office was involved at an early stage in supporting new techniques.

Other claims simply collapsed. Before the House Judiciary Committee, a Republican congressman reported that waterboarding was used on only three men for a grand total of three minutes. What's all the fuss about? Congressman Franks seemed to be asking. Seemingly, his source wasn't accurate. Last week, a new document emerged to show that two men were waterboarded 266 times ...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/apr/26/philippe-sands-torture-usa
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 06:07 AM
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1. Finally
The rest of the public, now apprised of just how seriously screwed up Bushco had gotten, is turning solidly against the now out of power regime. Partly because it is safer now to do so, but mainly because the whole story is finally being told. No longer can Bushco keep hidden their dark dirty secrets.

Recommended + Hallelujah!
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izquierdista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 07:04 AM
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2. Let's hope the wave hasn't crested
I would like to see it build and build until it inundates those at the very top.
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Psychic Consortium Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 11:46 AM
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6. The wave has only just begun. It will build. nt
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Merlot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 01:42 AM
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9. I was just thinking the same thing.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 07:04 AM
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3. I think we can thank Obama and Olbermann for that
Edited on Sun Apr-26-09 07:06 AM by Doctor_J
And of course the torture-lovers like Hannity. Obama's measured, low-key exposure, Olbermann's (and Shuster's) daily outrage and detailed debunking of each ridiculous lie, and The Right's unbridled depravity and sociopathy have shown this to be beyond unsettling, to the point where ultra-partisan repukes like Kathleen Parker are queasy
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Psychic Consortium Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 11:46 AM
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7. Correct. nt
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salguine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 09:08 AM
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4. Let's not get ahead of ourselves. We haven't done dick to them yet. They'll still probably walk.
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 11:06 AM
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5. Yes. It's odd, isn't it.
Here's my theory.

People were accepting the theory that "it's just a bunch of partisan politics" until liberals demonstrated a willingness to go after our guys to get it stopped.

Once we did that, moderates said "Whoa, they were serious. And now that I think about it, they're right too."
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 10:55 PM
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8. Re: that quote "If the detainee dies.."-- Key player - and still at the CIA.
Edited on Sun Apr-26-09 11:01 PM by chill_wind
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 06:42 AM
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10. What's amazing Is that the Movement Is Growing without Much Mass Media Input
It is spread by people talking more than by popular media coverage.
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