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elleng (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 03:10 AM Original message |
What Happened to the Ban on Assault Weapons? |
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old mark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 03:49 AM Response to Original message |
1. The "ban" was nothing but bullshit, as is the article posted above. |
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elleng (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 03:51 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. The 'article' is an opinion piece by Jimmy Carter. |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 04:11 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. with all due respect old mark |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 04:19 AM Response to Reply #1 |
4. Not only are you full of shit, your best rhetort is childish |
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zbdent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 05:28 AM Response to Reply #4 |
6. don't forget the 1100 police chiefs and sheriffs from around the nation |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 05:37 AM Response to Reply #6 |
8. And the rank and file cop organizations that don't |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 09:23 AM Response to Reply #6 |
14. Those people also support warrentless searches, wiretaps, etc. |
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zbdent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 12:29 PM Response to Reply #14 |
45. seems like a bunch of the really psycho gun nuts were all for |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 12:36 PM Response to Reply #45 |
49. Bush was no friend of the pro-RKBA community |
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zbdent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 12:43 PM Response to Reply #49 |
52. and I'd serve unicorn steaks if one came into my yard ... |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 09:22 AM Response to Reply #4 |
13. Most people who support renewing the ban are not well informed about the issue |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 11:09 AM Response to Reply #13 |
18. You're simply repeating the same tired old bullshit mantra |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 11:20 AM Response to Reply #18 |
23. Truth stings.. |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 11:33 AM Response to Reply #23 |
32. Strawman |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 11:37 AM Response to Reply #32 |
34. Are you asserting that the.. |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 12:00 PM Response to Reply #34 |
36. You are asserting that the... |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 12:03 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. You can't be that dense.. |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 12:26 PM Response to Reply #37 |
43. Are you just acting stupid? |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 12:38 PM Response to Reply #43 |
50. Please explain what you mean by "loopholes" in the old AWB |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 01:05 PM Response to Reply #50 |
58. Is your google broke? |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 01:10 PM Response to Reply #58 |
60. I didn't expect a meaningful answer from you |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 01:34 PM Response to Reply #60 |
65. Then why the fuck did you ask a question you already knew the answer? |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 01:36 PM Response to Reply #65 |
68. I want to provide you with every possible opportunity to put your nastiness on public display |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 02:48 PM Response to Reply #68 |
70. Your definition of polite includes duplicity and fallacious bullshit |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 03:11 PM Response to Reply #70 |
73. Maybe so from your point of view, but I do a good job of eschewing personal attacks |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 04:18 PM Response to Reply #73 |
80. So where's the personal attack? |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 02:01 PM Response to Reply #65 |
69. "watered down"? |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 02:50 PM Response to Reply #69 |
71. Are you high? |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 03:29 PM Response to Reply #71 |
75. I take that as concession, then? |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 04:15 PM Response to Reply #75 |
79. I'll take that as a yes |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 12:43 PM Response to Reply #43 |
51. Your ignorance is showing.. |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 12:53 PM Response to Reply #51 |
55. Are you trying to be funny? |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 12:59 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. Christ-a-mighty.. |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 01:10 PM Response to Reply #56 |
59. You are correct, I was thinking of the DC-9 |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 01:13 PM Response to Reply #59 |
62. You're the one who should be using Google in this discussion |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 01:35 PM Response to Reply #62 |
67. Actually I'm the one who is actually capable of admitting when he's wrong |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 01:34 PM Response to Reply #59 |
66. Sales were 'increasing exponentially' pre-ban? Care to cite a source? |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 04:40 PM Response to Reply #66 |
82. Sure |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 05:25 PM Response to Reply #82 |
85. You mean the boost that the AWB itself caused? |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 05:39 PM Response to Reply #85 |
86. No |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 05:57 PM Response to Reply #86 |
87. Then show me |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 12:59 PM Response to Reply #55 |
57. The "AB" in AB-10 stands for After Ban |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 12:21 PM Response to Reply #18 |
39. So, what solution would propose? |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 11:14 AM Response to Reply #4 |
20. Yes when questions like this are asked.. |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 11:25 AM Response to Reply #20 |
28. "Do you favor or oppose extending the federal law banning assault weapons?" |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 11:34 AM Response to Reply #28 |
33. Yet, gallup reports demand for more gun control at lowest level ever.. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 12:23 PM Response to Reply #28 |
40. That poll has the same problem that most polls on this subject have |
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derby378 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 03:50 PM Response to Reply #28 |
96. "Assault weapon" is a push-poll term |
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Diclotican (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-28-09 09:00 PM Response to Reply #1 |
91. old mark |
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ManiacJoe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 04:39 PM Response to Reply #91 |
97. You seem confused about what an "assault weapon" is. |
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Diclotican (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 01:25 PM Response to Reply #97 |
98. ManiacJoe |
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ManiacJoe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 05:28 PM Response to Reply #98 |
99. Things are probably not like you have been lead to believe. |
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Diclotican (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 06:22 PM Response to Reply #99 |
101. ManiacJoe |
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davepc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 05:08 AM Response to Original message |
5. It's a shame President Carter thinks we should ban things cause of cosmetics |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 11:12 AM Response to Reply #5 |
19. So do you think we should ban based on function? |
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derby378 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 11:16 AM Response to Reply #19 |
21. What is an "assault weapon," anyway? |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 11:22 AM Response to Reply #21 |
24. And yet it has been defined |
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derby378 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 11:23 AM Response to Reply #24 |
26. Then where's the definition? |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 11:29 AM Response to Reply #26 |
29. It's within the original federal law and various state laws as well |
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derby378 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 11:33 AM Response to Reply #29 |
31. Maybe there's no such thing as an "assault weapon" at all |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 12:25 PM Response to Reply #29 |
41. You mean the expired federal law that failed to ban any particular type of firearm? |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 12:28 PM Response to Reply #41 |
44. You're full of shit |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-28-09 06:16 PM Response to Reply #44 |
90. You do know the ban didn't ban any firearms, right? |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 11:24 AM Response to Reply #24 |
27. That the definition is pointless? |
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Indy Lurker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 05:29 AM Response to Original message |
7. The ban was not effective |
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cabluedem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-28-09 11:26 PM Response to Reply #7 |
92. We have banned them in California. I think you get 5 years in prison for having one. n/t |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 08:18 AM Response to Reply #92 |
93. There are CA legal versions of every 'banned' gun |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 05:38 AM Response to Original message |
9. It died a well deserved death for lack of effectiveness and declining support |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 11:18 AM Response to Reply #9 |
22. 70% in favor is "declining support"??? |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 11:22 AM Response to Reply #22 |
25. defeated 90-8 in the senate.. |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 11:31 AM Response to Reply #25 |
30. Do you think that lawmakers aren't influenced by special interests... |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 11:41 AM Response to Reply #30 |
35. 90-8? |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 12:12 PM Response to Reply #35 |
38. You are being naive, I'm not being paranoid |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 12:32 PM Response to Reply #38 |
47. HR1022? HR6257? |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 02:54 PM Response to Reply #47 |
72. What part of it was "never allowed the renewal to come to a vote as a singular issue"... |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 03:13 PM Response to Reply #72 |
74. If there had been a real justification for renewing it, Congress couldn't have gotten away |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 04:06 PM Response to Reply #74 |
77. I'll sell you the Brooklyn Bridge, cheap |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 03:39 PM Response to Reply #72 |
76. Go read the record.. |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 04:14 PM Response to Reply #76 |
78. What part of it was "never allowed the renewal to come to a vote as a singular issue"... |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 04:22 PM Response to Reply #78 |
81. If you can't convince 8 dems and 1 rep.. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 12:26 PM Response to Reply #22 |
42. Probably 90% of that 70% think assault weapons are fully automatic |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 12:31 PM Response to Reply #42 |
46. Assumptions are the mother of all fuckups |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 12:35 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. OK, fair enough |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 12:46 PM Response to Reply #48 |
53. You mean that because the NRA didn't put their seal of approval on it? |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 12:51 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. No, because I have a degree in psychology and know quite a bit about survey design and analysis |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 01:11 PM Response to Reply #54 |
61. "Do you favor or oppose extending the federal law banning assault weapons?" |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 01:14 PM Response to Reply #61 |
63. If people don't know what the law did and did not do, their answer is meaningless |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 01:18 PM Response to Reply #61 |
64. Most people don't understand the issue well enough to answer that question |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 04:59 PM Response to Reply #22 |
84. Even the Brady Bunch and their fellow bigots are admitting that support for it was less than it was |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 07:09 AM Response to Original message |
10. Mr. Carter has been fooled into thinking the issue is about "weapons intended to kill people" |
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JPZenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 08:28 AM Response to Reply #10 |
11. Obama supports it, but it is not a priority |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 10:06 AM Response to Reply #11 |
16. One hopes that he will let the "Dems'll take yer guns!" meme finally die... |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 09:20 AM Response to Original message |
12. President Carter, like many Americans, is misinformed about this issue |
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soryang (642 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 04:43 PM Response to Reply #12 |
83. Carter's use of statistics is uncharacteristically misleading |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-28-09 08:07 AM Response to Reply #83 |
88. Only 3% of U.S. murders involve ANY type of rifle, per the FBI Uniform Crime Reports. (n/t) |
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soryang (642 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-28-09 10:10 AM Response to Reply #88 |
89. interesting |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 10:04 AM Response to Reply #89 |
95. Here's the link to the FBI page, if you're interested: |
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MicaelS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 09:52 AM Response to Original message |
15. It went where it belonged, into the garbage |
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derby378 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 11:03 AM Response to Original message |
17. Part of the answer is that one of President Carter's own children opposed it |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 10:02 AM Response to Original message |
94. The short answer |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 05:52 PM Response to Original message |
100. A ban like this would only |
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