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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-06-09 11:16 AM
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From a Failed Growth Economy to a Steady-State Economy

USSEE lecture, June 1, 2009
Herman E. Daly
School of Public Policy
University of Maryland

A steady-state economy is incompatible with continuous growth—either positive or negative growth. The goal of a steady state is to sustain a constant, sufficient stock of real wealth and people for a long time. A downward spiral of negative growth, a depression such as we are entering now, is a failed growth economy, not a steady-state economy. Halting an accelerating downward spiral is necessary, but is not the same thing as resuming continuous positive growth. The growth economy now fails in two ways: (1) positive growth becomes uneconomic in our full-world economy; (2) negative growth, resulting from the bursting of financial bubbles inflated beyond physical limits, though temporarily necessary, soon becomes self-destructive. That leaves a non-growing or steady-state economy as the only long run alternative. The level of physical wealth that the biosphere can sustain in a steady state may well be below the present level. The fact that recent efforts at growth have resulted mainly in bubbles suggests that this is so. Nevertheless, current policies all aim for the full re-establishment of the growth economy. No one denies that our problems would be easier to solve if we were richer. The question is, does growth any longer make us richer, or is it now making us poorer?

I will spend a few more minutes cursing the darkness of growth, but will then try to light ten little candles along the path to a steady state. Some advise me to forget the darkness and focus on the policy candles. But I find that without a dark background the light of my little candles is not visible in the false dawn projected by the economists, whose campaigning optimism never gives hope a chance to emerge from the shadows.

We have many problems (poverty, unemployment, environmental destruction, budget deficit, trade deficit, bailouts, bankruptcy, foreclosures, etc.), but apparently only one solution: economic growth, or as the pundits now like to say, “to grow the economy”-- as if it were a potted plant with healing leaves, like aloe vera or marijuana.

But let us stop right there and ask two questions that all students should put to their economics professors.

First, there is a deep theorem in mathematics that says when something grows it gets bigger! So, when the economy grows it too gets bigger. How big can the economy be, Professor? How big is it now? How big should it be? Have economists ever considered these questions? And most pointedly, what makes them think that growth (i.e., physical expansion of the economic subsystem into the finite containing biosphere), is not already increasing environmental and social costs faster than production benefits, thereby becoming uneconomic growth, making us poorer, not richer? After all, real GDP, the measure of “economic” growth so-called, does not separate costs from benefits, but conflates them as “economic” activity. How would we know when growth became uneconomic? Remedial and defensive activity becomes ever greater as we grow from an “empty-world” to a “full-world” economy, characterized by congestion, interference, displacement, depletion and pollution. The defensive expenditures induced by these negatives are all added to GDP, not subtracted. Be prepared, students, for some hand waving, throat clearing, and subject changing. But don’t be bluffed.

Second question; do you then, Professor, see growth as a continuing process, desirable in itself-- or as a temporary process required to reach a sufficient level of wealth which would thereafter be maintained more or less in a steady state? At least 99% of modern neoclassical economists hold the growth forever view. We have to go back to John Stuart Mill and the earlier Classical Economists to find serious treatment of the idea of a non-growing economy, the Stationary State. What makes modern economists so sure that the Classical Economists were wrong? Just dropping history of economic thought from the curriculum is not a refutation!

Here are some reasons to think that the Classical Economists are right.

A long run norm of continuous growth could make sense, only if one of the three following conditions were true:
(a) if the economy were not an open subsystem of a finite and non-growing biophysical system,
(b) if the economy were growing in a non physical dimension, or
(c) if the laws of thermodynamics did not hold.

Let us consider each of these three logical alternatives. (If you can think of a fourth one let me know.)

(a) Some economists in fact think of nature as the set of extractive subsectors of the economy (forests, fisheries, mines, wells, pastures, and even agriculture….). The economy, not the ecosystem or biosphere, is seen as the whole; nature is a collection of parts. If the economy is the whole then it is not a part of any larger thing or system that might restrain its expansion. If some extractive natural subsector gets scarce we will just substitute other sectors for it and growth of the whole economy will continue, not into any restraining biospheric envelope, but into sidereal space presumably full of resource-bearing asteroids and friendly highly-evolved aliens eager to teach us how to grow forever into their territory. Sources and sinks are considered infinite.

(b) Some economists say that what is growing in economic growth is value, and value is not reducible to physical units. The latter is true of course, but that does not mean that value is independent of physics! After all, value is price times quantity, and quantity is always basically physical. Even services are always the service of something or somebody for some time period, and people who render services have to eat. The value unit of GDP is not dollars, but dollar’s worth. A dollar’s worth of gasoline is a physical amount, currently about half a gallon. The aggregation of the dollar’s worth amounts of many different physical commodities (GDP) does not abolish the physicality of the measure even though the aggregate can no longer be expressed in physical units. True, $/q x q = $. But the fact that q cancels out mathematically does not mean that the aggregate measure, “dollars’ worth”, is just a pile of dollars. And it doesn’t help to speak instead of “value added” (by labor and capital) because we must ask, to what is the value added? And the answer is natural resources, low-entropy matter/energy—not fairy dust or frog’s hair! Development (squeezing more welfare from the same throughput of resources) is a good thing. Growth (pushing more resources through a physically larger economy) is the problem. Limiting quantitative growth is the way to force qualitative development.

(c) If resources could be created out of nothing, and wastes could be annihilated into nothing, then we could have an ever-growing resource throughput by which to fuel the continuous growth of the economy. But the first law of thermodynamics says NO. Or if we could just recycle the same matter and energy through the economy faster and faster we could keep growth going. The circular flow diagram of all economics principles texts unfortunately comes very close to affirming this. But the second law of thermodynamics says NO.

So—if we can’t grow our way out of all problems, then maybe we should reconsider the logic and virtues of non-growth, the steady-state economy. Why this refusal by neoclassical economists both to face common sense, and to reconsider the ideas of the early Classical Economists?

I think the answer is distressingly simple. Without growth the only way to cure poverty is by sharing. But redistribution is anathema. Without growth to push the hoped for demographic transition, the only way to cure overpopulation is by population control. A second anathema. Without growth the only way to increase funds to invest in environmental repair is by reducing current consumption. Anathema number three. Three anathemas and you are damned—go to hell!

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Cresent City Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-06-09 11:30 AM
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1. This gets to the basic question
Where does wealth come from? The details of economics are complex, but the answer to this question is simple: animals, vegetables and minerals. We have forgotten that the notion of ownership is arbitrary. We don't own land, we say we own it and others agree (or disagree). We don't own anything, we are just geographically near things we say we own.
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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-06-09 03:52 PM
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2. Not sure I agree. Economics seems really pretty simple to me
I guess I subscribe to what's called a labor theory of value, in that nothing becomes useful/valuable until we invest some labor to make it useful/valuable. Therefore even the most natural items -- animals, vegetables, minerals -- have no use/value until labor is invested in them, even if it is only the labor of pulling a piece of fruit off a tree.

"Wealth" seems to me to be merely an accumulation of things of value, and again, none of it can be accomplished without labor; not necessarily the labor of the person owning or acquiring the wealth but someone's labor.

The question then becomes, who owns the fruit of one's labor?



TG, who has a pretty good idea. . . . .
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Cresent City Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-07-09 09:23 AM
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3. Let me say it another way
I agree that economics boils down to the simpicities you describe, my point on the complexity is that we've made it complex. One example of this is a credit card contract which is notoriously complex. Further, many of us are caught up in these complexities, losing sight of the basics.

You make a good point on the uselessness of "stuff" without labor to process it and give it value. The under-valuation of labor is baked into our capitalist economies, and few of us who know this can withdraw from the system and live off of the land directly. This unsustainable system will either change intelligently in its own interests or change from collapse.

My comment was about the origins of this unbalanced system we now have. The raw materials of the earth, and the land itself were claimed by the few to exclusion of the many. This was not the way of every culture, but those cultures who shared the bounty of the land, or who believed the land owned them have been subsumed by the aggressive cultures that have survived through violence and coercion. Our modern global economy is a sign of progress in the wrong direction. When the laboring masses in the US caught on that they were being screwed, the capitalists trancended national borders and went off to screw overseas.
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 06:02 PM
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13. Re your last point, I found this article very interesting, as regards our
Edited on Mon Jun-08-09 06:03 PM by Joe Chi Minh
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 07:58 AM
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7. Growth is a scam.
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 06:04 PM
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14. It surely is. I enjoyed Mr Daly's article no end.
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TrogL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 12:34 PM
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9. You do realize you're channeling Karl Marx, right?
Damn Communists.
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Chisox08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 06:24 PM
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15. Karl Marx was right on some of his point
We are in the middle of a class warfare, and the rich is winning. Reagan and the Bush Crime Family along with Clinton has destroyed middle class, allowed for jobs to be shipped overseas, lied us into NAFTA, lied us into illegal wars, removed regulations that was put in placed during the Depression, started a new cycle of Boom and Bust and gave tax cuts to the rich. Who benifited from this? Nobody but the greedy corperations and bankers.
Supply side econmics failed America. We need to abandon it and get Americans back to work. Even the GM and Ford used to brag about how much they pay their workers and their generous benfit packages. Now they brag about shipping jobs to China.
As more and more Americans lose their jobs there will be less money spent on the cheap crap from China. We don't make anything any more. Our IT and othere Tech jobs has been shipped to India.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 01:37 AM
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4. We Can Still Grow Information, Knowledge, Art. Music…
Information is not subject to the same limitations that matter is.
The storage and communications media obviously are. but not the information itself,
and storage/comms keep getting better.

To assign all value to natural resources, or to assign it all to labor, is unworkable
both because each totally neglects the other, and both neglect the value of
information, education, art, music, and quite a few other things.

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tomreedtoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 06:36 AM
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6. Which would be good if we could eat art.
Unfortunately paintings don't contain the Minimum Daily Requirement of vitamins, iron and protein. So I guess the solution is something like the end of Soylent Green, where people watch art as they are killed and recycled into useful protein. Art as the palliative for death? That sounds about right.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 12:54 PM
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11. Cooking is Most Certainly an Art
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tomreedtoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 01:23 PM
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12. No, cooking is a job skill. And there are no cooking jobs.
Try to get on at a Denny's or McDonald's, the only places that are hiring. Cook their standard meals and call that "art" if you wish. Your unemployed artist friends will laugh at you.
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tomreedtoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 06:33 AM
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5. So we can only get out of recession if a lot of people die?
In that case, health care is the last thing people should receive. I can only assume this is a Jonathan Swift "Modest Proposal" thing.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 12:35 PM
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10. No, Just Stop Having So Many Kids
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wuvuj Donating Member (874 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 12:08 PM
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8. The growth game is over.....
Edited on Mon Jun-08-09 01:05 PM by wuvuj
...unless "they" find something to produce that doesn't require actual materials or labor to make...something like derivatives. So all "they" have to do is convince enough people that they need "things" that have no real substance, but that these things are valuable.

We need many more bubbles of this sort....so people can feel prosperous even while they live in a degraded environment and may be hungry and so forth.

We need more religions. We need the MATRIX.
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