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DaveSZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 07:47 AM
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Edited on Tue Jun-15-04 07:47 AM by DaveSZ
http://www.tnr.com/doc.mhtml?i=express&s=mulhauser061504

DAILY EXPRESS
Thank God
by Dana Mulhauser


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Yesterday the Supreme Court unanimously avoided a decision on whether the phrase "under God" could remain in the Pledge of Allegiance. Rather than rule on the substance of the issue, eight justices--the ninth, Antonin Scalia, had recused himself from the case--found that plaintiff Michael Newdow could not bring suit on behalf of his school-age daughter because he was not her custodial parent. Though the majority's ruling has the practical effect of overturning the Ninth Circuit Court's two-year-old decision removing the words "under God" from the Pledge, it did so without settling the larger legal question of whether the presence of those words in the Pledge is actually constitutional--which is probably the best result liberals could have hoped for. That's because a loss in this case would have been a legal setback for liberals, while a victory--albeit extraordinarily unlikely--would have been a political disaster.

The truth is that liberals never wanted this case to happen in the first place. "Standard separationist people think that there are many more important issues to fight over, and while as a matter of principle they agree with Newdow, they don't want to engage in a big battle," says Mark Tushnet, a First Amendment expert at Georgetown law school. That's why the ACLU and the other usual suspects didn't really champion this case from the start. Instead, Michael Newdow, an eccentric lawyer, pushed the case himself, financing it through three lower-court rulings and all the way to the Supreme Court.

The benefits to liberals of the Court's decision yesterday are obvious. A Newdow victory could have brought heavy backlash against Democrats. In an election year, nothing makes better Republican campaign fodder than accusing the Supreme Court of disdaining God. What's more, such a ruling could have done more harm than good to the drive for strict separation of church and state. Many activists feared a response similar to the mid-1990s backlash from a Hawaii Supreme Court ruling authorizing gay marriage, which led the federal government and more than half of state legislatures to pass laws defining marriage as a heterosexual union. At the same time, liberals did not want to lose the case either. After all, a defeat on constitutional grounds would have meant enshrining the constitutionality of "under God" into law, effectively foreclosing the possibility for a more progressive ruling on the Pledge anytime in the next generation.

In any event, if the Court had decided the case on the merits, Newdow almost certainly would have lost. The Court has regularly upheld examples of "ceremonial deism," including prayers in legislative bodies, "In God We Trust" on the money, and pictures of Santa Claus in town halls. Only three justices even blanch at such practices: Ruth Bader Ginsburg, who used to be general counsel for the ACLU; David Souter, who has a soft spot for keeping state-sponsored religion away from kids; and John Paul Stevens, the closest thing this Court has to a liberal lion. But there was no fourth vote, let alone a fifth, in support of pulling God out of the Pledge. All the remaining justices have shown at least some tolerance for state-sponsored religion. And despite the hullabaloo surrounding Scalia's recusal from the case, he did not make the liberal position much easier. In an eight-person court, five votes are still required for a majority opinion. (A vote of 4-4 would have preserved the Ninth Circuit's ruling against the phrase "under God"; but it would not have created a legal precedent that was binding anywhere else in the country.)


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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 07:53 AM
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1. I agree
Not all issues are worth fighting over at the same time.

Would you rather lose the court case and win the election, providing a real chance to change domestic and foreign policy? Or win the court case, invite a right wing backlash and pave the way for a Republican victory that would continue current policies?
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 09:50 AM
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7. This atheist reluctantly agrees
We need to pick our fights and when to fight them.

I'd like to see requiring a daily loyalty oath of schoolchildren dropped completely. It's creepy. Forcing them to place their country under a god I don't believe in is secondary to that.

However, right now, it's necessary to dump Bush, and we don't need to give the religious hysterics and the other kneejerk jerks any more ammunition to use to whip up hate against Democrats (even though most Democrats are Christian).
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 07:56 AM
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2. God will be ruled Constitutional - but not just ceremonial deism - also
Us History based -historical ref and not religious

indeed as a Christain it offends me a bit that the Court will rule the GOD in these cases is a minor matter!

:-)
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 08:04 AM
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3. Where is the line drawn, then?
Just imagine for a moment that the US was a Muslim nation, and you were still a Christian. How would it make you feel if your children were required to recite "One nation, under Allah"?

Entangling religion & government is just fine, as long as you're in the majority faith, right?
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 10:28 AM
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8. Better is less Entanglingof religion & government - but pledge not a big
deal - IMHO

:-)
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CaliforniaLady Donating Member (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 09:07 AM
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5. References to God should be eliminated from government and...
especially symbols of Christianity on public lands.

Moreover, Christmas is a national holiday that should be eliminated or renamed to suit all the people in the USA.
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CaliforniaLady Donating Member (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 09:14 AM
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6. Historical reference is not a valid argument because...
the ACLU has ordered removal of crosses from city and county emblems and recently ordered removal of an old cross in the Mojave desert.
Los Angeles used the argument of the cross as a reference to early missions in the area, but that didn't hold.
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clidaw Donating Member (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 08:04 AM
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4. Good article.
I agree 100% with this viewpoint. I personally believe that the "Under God" portion of the pledge does infringe on church/state separation, But I have no problem with the court's decision. I never thought Newdow had any business pushing this issue for a daughter that lived with the mother. I felt he was just doing it to gratify his ego and wasn't interested in anything but that. I also agree that this was the best outcome for democrats interested in winning in November. This sidestep won't make for much of a rallying cry for the Christian Wrong and I can't see any way GW and his minions can use it as a political weapon.

I don't think religion and the modern world go together and would like to see any aspect of it vanish from the federal government. This case was not the right vehicle for that though. Hopefully a better one will come along after after Kerry gets elected.
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 10:36 AM
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9. Hi clidaw!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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