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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 12:14 PM
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The End of Social Security
President Obama and the Republicans will say that the payroll tax holiday is all about stimulating the economy. But don’t be fooled. According to the Center for Budget and Policy Priorities,extending the Making Work Pay Tax Credit, is a much better, more targeted stimulus. See “Payroll Tax Holiday a Poor Stimulus Idea,” available at this link.

And the Making Work Pay Tax Credit poses no threat to Social Security. The innocent-sounding payroll tax holiday, on the other hand, will lead inexorably to killing Social Security. Let me explain:

Sixty members of the Senate are unwilling to raise taxes by 3 percent on the $250,000 and first dollar (and all those dollars earned above $250.001) of those making over $250,000 and by 1.6 percent more (for a total of 4.6 percent) on the $384,860 and first dollar {and all those dollars earned above $384,861) of those making over $384,860. They are even unwilling to spare everyone making less that one million dollars any increased taxes and simply raise taxes by 4.6 percent on the $1 million and first dollar (and all those dollars earned above $1,000,001 of the nation’s multimillionaires and billionaires. (I say multimillionaires because anyone with a net worth of a few million dollars is not making an annual income of over one million dollars.)

Given that unwillingness to raise taxes by less than a nickel on every dollar earned over $1 million, I find it unfathomable that a more conservative Congress, in two years, in an election year, will increase the payroll tax by 2 percent on the very first dollar, and every other dollar up to the cap, earned by virtually every single worker in the country. Consequently, I think we have to assume that the payroll tax holiday will be extended beyond the two years the president is proposing and quite likely could become permanent.

That means that the federal government will have to continue to transfer $120 billion to the Social Security trust funds each and every year even as it has to transfer more and more interest payments as the trust funds continue to grow and as interest rates return to more normal levels. Unless Congress acts to restore Social Security to solvency, the Treasury bonds held in trust will have to be redeemed, again on top of that new $120 billion transfer from the general fund, starting fifteen years from now, assuming Congress even continues to make the $120 billion every year before that point. These dollars will be competing with dollars for defense, environmental protection, education, school lunches, Food Stamps, Medicare, Medicaid, SSI, Pell grants for low income college students, and every other good and service financed by the federal government.

http://my.firedoglake.com/nancyaltman/2010/12/07/the-end-of-social-security/
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sasha031 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 12:22 PM
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1. as far as I'm concerned this subject is not being talked about enough
thanks for posting
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NorthCarolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 12:24 PM
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2. Great post. Thanks. nt
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bbgrunt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 12:30 PM
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3. this is a serious problem. Glad someone is talking about it.
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sasha031 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 01:05 PM
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8. i think allot of this is pitting younger Americans against older ones
I'm sure Carville is not a hero on this board, but he wrote about this years ago
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WizardLeft62 Donating Member (90 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 12:31 PM
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4. Three Articles on Subject to Consider
Column: Lance Selfa
A blueprint for the cuts to come
The big news in the deficit commission's report regards Social Security and Medicare.
December 7, 2010
http://socialistworker.org/2010/12/07/blueprint-for-cuts-to-come

Social Security: A Decade of Deceit
by Allen W. Smith / December 4th, 2010
http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/12/social-security-a-decade-of-deceit/

Analysis: Alan Maass
The plot to steal our future
Alan Maass reports on the drive by America's ruling elite to slash Social Security.
September 13, 2010
http://socialistworker.org/2010/09/13/plot-to-steal-our-future
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sasha031 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 01:06 PM
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9. I just bookmarked everything ,thanks
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KT2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 12:31 PM
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5. SS was not broke
but they figured out a way to make sure it will be.
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sasha031 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 03:56 PM
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14. I just found this, hope it helps
First, Social Security isn’t a direct cause of the federal budget deficit. The Social Security Trust Fund (SSTF) currently runs a $2.5 trillion surplus, built up through earlier reforms that anticipated the looming retirement of the huge baby boomer generation.

Second, Social Security is not “in the red,” or “going bankrupt,” as pundits and politicians sometimes say. It’s true that Social Security took in less in payroll taxes this year than it paid out. That was due mainly to the deep recession, which has cut into payroll tax collections and pushed more unemployed workers to file for early benefits. But that’s a short-term problem that will reverse itself when the economy improves.

http://retirementrevised.com/money/how-deficit-reduction-plans-would-affect-social-security
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KT2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 04:00 PM
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16. Thank you n/t
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subterranean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 12:48 PM
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6. The proposed payroll tax holiday is for one year, not two.
So the decision on whether or not to extend it will not be made in an election year.
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sasha031 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 01:08 PM
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10. payroll tax holiday, what a joke, this thing will never go away
do we have a pres. that is deliberately dismantling the new Deal
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 12:49 PM
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7. WE don't have to roll over for this Pawn Sacrifice.
Bernie Sanders may at least be able to kill this very callous play.
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sasha031 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 01:09 PM
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11. he can't do it alone, the powers are powerful
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 01:56 PM
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12. K&R
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jtown1123 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 01:59 PM
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13. Thanks! This provision must be taken out of the compromise...this is probably
the worst part of this whole package and is getting glossed over.
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sasha031 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 03:58 PM
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15. the tax holiday is being expressed on liberal radio
as a pay raise.

this is so disturbing....
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dd2003 Donating Member (198 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 04:21 PM
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17. It hurts
This is just awful.
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