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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 12:18 AM
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Morrissey supports Johnny Marr in David Cameron row
Singer praises former bandmate for 'forbidding' David Cameron to like the Smiths, citing the prime minister's stance on hunting

Almost a quarter century after their band split up, Morrissey can agree with Johnny Marr about one thing: David Cameron is not allowed to like the Smiths. Following Marr's recent comments "forbidding" the prime minister to like their band, the former Smiths frontman has echoed the sentiment, citing Cameron's support for hunting.


"Stop saying that you like the Smiths," Marr said last week, "no you don't." Whereas the guitarist made his remarks on Twitter, restraining himself to just 76 characters, Morrissey used the blog True to You to issue 11 paragraphs of vegetarian vitriol. "I would like to, if I may, offer support to Johnny Marr who has spoken out to the media this week against David Cameron," he wrote. "David Cameron hunts and shoots and kills stags – apparently for pleasure. It was not for such people that either Meat Is Murder or The Queen Is Dead were recorded; in fact, they were made as a reaction against such violence."


Morrissey goes on to claim that he cancelled an appearance on The Andrew Marr Show after hearing that Cameron would also be present, and although it is generally "a fantastic thrill" to learn that "anyone at all" likes the Smiths' music, "David Cameron is not just anyone". "David wanted to repeal the Hunting Act, which would mean the brutal killing of foxes, hares, deer, badgers, otters – just about anything that moves," Morrissey wrote. "I beg you to notice the unbearable dimension of sorrow that David Cameron is attempting to inflict upon British wildlife."


After an odd comment about gender and prime ministers, Morrissey adjusts his sights to attack "dim-witted" David Beckham and "avid hunter" Bryan Ferry. "I apologise very deeply for my support over the years for the group Roxy Music," he said. "I had no idea their singer."


Morrissey also has words for the royal family, saying Prince William and his new "fiasco" fiancee, Kate Middleton, "are so dull as people that it is actually impossible to discuss them". William "has never made the faintest imprint on the English soul", but – even worse – he "is also a hunter of deer". The Queen also comes under fire: by tolerating the British guards' continued use of bearskin hats, she has proven herself "indifferent to barbarism". Furthermore, "let us speak quite plainly, there is not one person in the whole of England who can remember or repeat a single word ever spoken by the Queen, such is her command of communication".

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2010/dec/06/morrissey-johnny-marr-david-cameron?CMP=twt_gu

For anyone unfortunate enough not to have heard the Smiths, here's what you missed out on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wz5IFl7uCis
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 12:32 AM
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1. Link to what Moz and Marr said...
Here's what Johnny Marr said:

'David Cameron, stop saying that you like The Smiths, no you don't. I forbid you to like it.'

http://twitter.com/johnny_marr

And here's Morrissey's quite concise words:

I would like to, if I may, offer support to Johnny Marr who has spoken out to the media this week against David Cameron. To those who have expressed concern over Johnny's words in view of the fact that David Cameron has pledged immense allegiance to the music of the Smiths, I would like to try to explain why I think Johnny is right not to be flattered.
It is true that music is a universal language – the ONLY universal language, and belongs to all, one way or another. However, with fitting grimness I must report that David Cameron hunts and shoots and kills stags – apparently for pleasure. It was not for such people that either "Meat is Murder" or "The Queen is Dead" were recorded; in fact, they were made as a reaction against such violence.

I recall some years ago a party political broadcast on behalf of the Conservative Party where David Cameron spoke directly to camera as an LP copy of "The Queen is Dead" proudly displayed itself on the wall behind his right shoulder. It is, of course, a fantastic thrill when the music you make is acknowledged by virtually anyone at all. But David Cameron is not just anyone. Some months ago, as the long-beaked amongst you might recall, I was due to appear on the Andrew Marr Show alongside David Cameron, and however much I worship the words of Andrew Marr, I could not go through with the invitation.
This was because I knew, then, that David wanted to repeal the Hunting Act, which would mean the brutal killing of foxes, hares, deer, badgers, otters – just about anything that moves.

Often the excuse of 'culling' is tagged on to the argument of legalized killing of beings, yet as we all know, motorized vehicles manage the business of 'culling' foxes and badgers quite well without messengers of death on horseback. Wildlife (that is, freelife) has its own methods of balancing nature – foxes and owls and birds of prey tending to help themselves to whatever crosses their path.

The countryside, quite remarkably, does not need the Hunting Act to be repealed. You would need to be mindless to believe that it does. People who hunt are under delusions of possession and property and divine right, and their debasement of human standards is always evident in their outrage at ever being questioned about their activities. Meanwhile, the Hunt Saboteurs (who are always termed 'extremists' by the Daily Bra – as if opposing brutal killing is an extreme emotion) are themselves symbols of freedom. Hunt Saboteurs do not kill. High Court judges on horseback, dressed in blood-red outfits, are the ones who kill.
As we all know, law in England is applied with partiality: the police are quick to nab the hunt saboteurs, but slow to catch up with the very visible Cheltenham Hunt. The hunt saboteurs are jailed for up to 12 years (for what? attempting to prevent mindless violence?), whereas the unmanly reflex of fox hunting receives a rap on the knuckles (Odious Ferry.)

I beg you to notice the unbearable dimension of sorrow that David Cameron is attempting to inflict upon British wildlife/freelife (an animal is not 'wild' simply because it is uncaged.) If you can find the time, would you please write to the MP of your choice - if you can think of one that you half-trust - at The House of Commons, St Margaret's Street, London SW1P, urging them to vote against the repeal. It is not the hunt saboteurs who menace social order, but the Hunters themselves, and the moral climate of 2010 seeping into 2011 surely tells all intelligent people that the key to the extent of any person's humanity is in their relationship to – and protection of – animals. Politicians only care about the public as electorate, and once the victory vote has been seized there is no place for debate between The Prime Minister and the people who elected him. (I cannot use the him/her term in relation to a Prime Minister because, as we all know, Margaret Thatcher has ensured that a female Prime Minister would never again be risked.) However, please do not feel powerless against the views of politicians or, for that matter, so-called royalty, because it is they who are powerless against the collective spirit of the British people. I mention so-called royalty because Prince William – who has never made the faintest imprint on the English soul, is also a hunter of deer, as is his fiasco (fiancιe) Kate Middleton. Although William and Kate are so dull as people that it is actually impossible to discuss them, it is worth recalling Prince Harry's thumbs-up as he sat beside a giant water buffalo, cowardly shot from a safe distance by the ignoble Prince some years back. Intellectually, it is true that the so-called Royal Family are not worth very much when it comes to moral standards. The Queen annually signs-off on the terrorizing slaughter of adult Canadian brown bears in order that her Guards are supplied with fancy hats. The babies of the adult bears who witness their own mothers' slaughter, are left to die slowly, and alone. The sober and bitter truth is that the Queen of England is indifferent to this barbarism, for she has never once expressed concern by it (although, let us speak quite plainly, there is not one person in the whole of England who can remember or repeat a single word ever spoken by the Queen, such is her command of communication.)

I apologize very deeply for my support over the years for the group Roxy Music. I had no idea until very recently that their singer Bryan Ferret is also an avid hunter, and is now managed by his Lord of the Hunt son, Odious Ferry.

Some are brutally indifferent to the feelings of animals. Many are not. Politically, I long for the day when it is finally acknowledged in the House of Lords that the indigestible business of the meat industry corrupts and destroys the planet more than any other profit organization. We continually hear of disappearing rainforests but the cause is never explained, for this would then force concerned world leaders to 'cull' meat production, and rather the world sizzle than it be admitted that the meat industry is the root of climate change. It was Sir Paul McCartney who said: "Save the planet – stop eating animals." It is the genius of Stella McCartney who has produced footwear made entirely of non-animal materials. As a glowing owner of such shoes, I can confirm to anyone interested that they appear - even on detailed examination - to be no different to shoes made from animals.

Refusing to eat animals remains a political gesture. The world apparently loves the simple, whether it be professional killers such as Jamie Horrible, or the dim-witted and good-natured David Peckham, both as certain of knighthoods as their mediocrity is bona-fide. David Peckham is so dull that he is yet to master his first words.
However, people like me exist, also, and by close of this piece I return to the opening issue of David Cameron and I remind him that the world loves a man who loves to listen. But we can't believe what you say when we know what you do.

http://true-to-you.net/home

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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 12:33 AM
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2. here here! I support Morrissey and Johnny Marr in their distain nt
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Common Sense Party Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 01:23 AM
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3. I know a few beer-swillin', hell-raisin' rednecks in Wyoming who get their
elk most every year and still like the Smiths.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 09:58 AM
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4. Marr tweets, Morrissey adds pages...
The Smiths were a great band, musically and lyrically. I saw them live and they were fantastic. Marr guitar remains in the mind many years later, as does Morrissey's vocals and his brood of moods.
Happy to see them speak on this issues, each in their own style. They speak for the ancient Brit gent who taught me all about the foxes and the hunts on a transatlantic Virgin flight, while he charted our progress on maps. He looked out for the foxes around his home. He loved them, and painted for me a picture of the hunt as a ludicrous barbarity far removed from need and made entirely of blood lust for a tiny creature for which they have no use at all but in the killing. "For this they dress in specialized attire and gather in ritual formality. It is chilling."
That sweet old man must be passed on by now, and he'd be very pleased with these two rockers. His musical tastes were wide for a man in his late 80's or early 90's. Quite liked the hip hop videos, he said, so energetic with the dancing "for years it seemed the youth had forgotten to dance, but those hip hoppers, they never leave out the dance." He knew who the Smiths were. He liked what they sang about, but found them brooding in a way he said he had not cared for much since his 70's. Not the 70's. His 70's.
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