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dand Donating Member (636 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-04 07:40 AM
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Judge likens rise of Bush to that of Mussolini and Hitler
illegitimate acts of a legitimate institution that had the right to put someone in power, and we thought it couldn't happen here.


http://daily.nysun.com/Repository/getmailfiles.asp?Style=OliveXLib:ArticleToMail&Type=text/html&Path=NYS/2004/06/21&ID=Ar00101
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the Kelly Gang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-04 08:41 AM
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1. great piece..love that judge !
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teryang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-04 08:51 AM
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2. Great post
There is no doubt about it. His regime is fascist to the core. There are more similarities than how he came to power. 911, Patriot Act, elective war, rounding up immigrants, Gitmo, Abu Ghraid, memos on legalizing torture, prior restraints on speech, stripping citizens of legal rights, violating international agreements, lists of people who can't vote, creating new chains of command unaccountable to the public, disappearing billions, and a non-stop daily litany of lies and threats.
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-04 09:43 AM
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3. What a great starter list: sadly, that list could go on and on and on....
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-04 10:46 AM
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4. fantastic piece... intelligent
and that last line really strikes home with me... I was just thinking about this today..

"At another discussion, liberal lawyers said it was hypocritical for Republicans to push federal caps on damages in state tort cases while maintaining that they favor limited federal government. "
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teryang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-04 11:31 AM
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5. undermining the power of the petite jury
...and denying people their constitutional right of access to the courts, is high on the corporatist agenda.
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-04 12:32 PM
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The Comparisons
Italians have unfairly been cast as "lovers, not fighters." Okay, maybe part of that saying is true, but throughout history, they've had no trouble proving they can be ruthless killers. They just don't fight for lost causes.

My daddy's Italian. The original members to come to America - my great grandmother and grandfather - brought their sons here first, unwilling to let Mussolini conscript them into his fascist ways.

As the mother of five sons, who vividly remembers Viet Nam, drafts and sensless, mind-numbing death at the hands of hapless, out-of-touch leaders, I wonder if I will now have to cross back over to Italy to keep them from the clutches of an American fascist?

While C. Boyden Gray (White House counsel) claims "If anything 's been too shy of doing things," it's clear to me the only things he's been shy about are: taking responsibility for his actions, telling the truth and providing support for those young men and women of the poor who's reputation he has permanently trashed.

Calabresi is only too correct in saying this man has overstepped his bounds. It isn't a question of whether a President achieved his official status through popular vote or Electoral College. NO president has the right to override the system of checks and balances our founding fathers so rightly wove into our Constitution. It is precisely the freedom and right to privacy guaranteed in that document which has drawn the members of this diverse and beautiful population here, the tired and the poor and those "yearning to breathe free" to paraphrase Emma Lazarus' poetry which every Immigrant knows.

Perhaps the Bushites are teaching us a lesson. Maybe no form of government is immune from the ravages of corruption and greed and bloodlust. Perhaps the masses who came here and built this country and became part of its fibre were wrong when they viewed our way as an enduring, rich tapestry - knit so well, so carefully it could never be unravelled. Perhaps we Americans are just too haughty, thinking our political process was the best. Perhaps it's over for America.

Soon, if Bush and Ashcroft and the others get their way, the little guy will be done for. It will not be only the trial lawyer who is dead meat, but the lowly consumer who will be forced to meet every damaging, mighty corporation in the mighty, corporate-loving federal courts. Yes, those who have profited from this degradation of our sytem should all hang their heads.

Thank you, Guido Calabresi
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-04 12:32 PM
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6. The Comparisons
Italians have unfairly been cast as "lovers, not fighters." Okay, maybe part of that saying is true, but throughout history, they've had no trouble proving they can be ruthless killers. They just don't fight for lost causes.

My daddy's Italian. The original members to come to America - my great grandmother and grandfather - brought their sons here first, unwilling to let Mussolini conscript them into his fascist ways.

As the mother of five sons, who vividly remembers Viet Nam, drafts and sensless, mind-numbing death at the hands of hapless, out-of-touch leaders, I wonder if I will now have to cross back over to Italy to keep them from the clutches of an American fascist?

While C. Boyden Gray (White House counsel) claims "If anything 's been too shy of doing things," it's clear to me the only things he's been shy about are: taking responsibility for his actions, telling the truth and providing support for those young men and women of the poor who's reputation he has permanently trashed.

Calabresi is only too correct in saying this man has overstepped his bounds. It isn't a question of whether a President achieved his official status through popular vote or Electoral College. NO president has the right to override the system of checks and balances our founding fathers so rightly wove into our Constitution. It is precisely the freedom and right to privacy guaranteed in that document which has drawn the members of this diverse and beautiful population here, the tired and the poor and those "yearning to breathe free" to paraphrase Emma Lazarus' poetry which every Immigrant knows.

Perhaps the Bushites are teaching us a lesson. Maybe no form of government is immune from the ravages of corruption and greed and bloodlust. Perhaps the masses who came here and built this country and became part of its fibre were wrong when they viewed our way as an enduring, rich tapestry - knit so well, so carefully it could never be unravelled. Perhaps we Americans are just too haughty, thinking our political process was the best. Perhaps it's over for America.

Soon, if Bush and Ashcroft and the others get their way, the little guy will be done for. It will not be only the trial lawyer who is dead meat, but the lowly consumer who will be forced to meet every damaging, mighty corporation in the mighty, corporate-loving federal courts. Yes, those who have profited from this degradation of our sytem should all hang their heads.

Thank you, Guido Calabresi
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-04 12:32 PM
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7. The Comparisons
Italians have unfairly been cast as "lovers, not fighters." Okay, maybe part of that saying is true, but throughout history, they've had no trouble proving they can be ruthless killers. They just don't fight for lost causes.

My daddy's Italian. The original members to come to America - my great grandmother and grandfather - brought their sons here first, unwilling to let Mussolini conscript them into his fascist ways.

As the mother of five sons, who vividly remembers Viet Nam, drafts and sensless, mind-numbing death at the hands of hapless, out-of-touch leaders, I wonder if I will now have to cross back over to Italy to keep them from the clutches of an American fascist?

While C. Boyden Gray (White House counsel) claims "If anything 's been too shy of doing things," it's clear to me the only things he's been shy about are: taking responsibility for his actions, telling the truth and providing support for those young men and women of the poor who's reputation he has permanently trashed.

Calabresi is only too correct in saying this man has overstepped his bounds. It isn't a question of whether a President achieved his official status through popular vote or Electoral College. NO president has the right to override the system of checks and balances our founding fathers so rightly wove into our Constitution. It is precisely the freedom and right to privacy guaranteed in that document which has drawn the members of this diverse and beautiful population here, the tired and the poor and those "yearning to breathe free" to paraphrase Emma Lazarus' poetry which every Immigrant knows.

Perhaps the Bushites are teaching us a lesson. Maybe no form of government is immune from the ravages of corruption and greed and bloodlust. Perhaps the masses who came here and built this country and became part of its fibre were wrong when they viewed our way as an enduring, rich tapestry - knit so well, so carefully it could never be unravelled. Perhaps we Americans are just too haughty, thinking our political process was the best. Perhaps it's over for America.

Soon, if Bush and Ashcroft and the others get their way, the little guy will be done for. It will not be only the trial lawyer who is dead meat, but the lowly consumer who will be forced to meet every damaging, mighty corporation in the mighty, corporate-loving federal courts. Yes, those who have profited from this degradation of our sytem should all hang their heads.

Thank you, Guido Calabresi
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-04 12:32 PM
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8. The Comparisons
Italians have unfairly been cast as "lovers, not fighters." Okay, maybe part of that saying is true, but throughout history, they've had no trouble proving they can be ruthless killers. They just don't fight for lost causes.

My daddy's Italian. The original members to come to America - my great grandmother and grandfather - brought their sons here first, unwilling to let Mussolini conscript them into his fascist ways.

As the mother of five sons, who vividly remembers Viet Nam, drafts and sensless, mind-numbing death at the hands of hapless, out-of-touch leaders, I wonder if I will now have to cross back over to Italy to keep them from the clutches of an American fascist?

While C. Boyden Gray (White House counsel) claims "If anything 's been too shy of doing things," it's clear to me the only things he's been shy about are: taking responsibility for his actions, telling the truth and providing support for those young men and women of the poor who's reputation he has permanently trashed.

Calabresi is only too correct in saying this man has overstepped his bounds. It isn't a question of whether a President achieved his official status through popular vote or Electoral College. NO president has the right to override the system of checks and balances our founding fathers so rightly wove into our Constitution. It is precisely the freedom and right to privacy guaranteed in that document which has drawn the members of this diverse and beautiful population here, the tired and the poor and those "yearning to breathe free" to paraphrase Emma Lazarus' poetry which every Immigrant knows.

Perhaps the Bushites are teaching us a lesson. Maybe no form of government is immune from the ravages of corruption and greed and bloodlust. Perhaps the masses who came here and built this country and became part of its fibre were wrong when they viewed our way as an enduring, rich tapestry - knit so well, so carefully it could never be unravelled. Perhaps we Americans are just too haughty, thinking our political process was the best. Perhaps it's over for America.

Soon, if Bush and Ashcroft and the others get their way, the little guy will be done for. It will not be only the trial lawyer who is dead meat, but the lowly consumer who will be forced to meet every damaging, mighty corporation in the mighty, corporate-loving federal courts. Yes, those who have profited from this degradation of our sytem should all hang their heads.

Thank you, Guido Calabresi
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-04 03:37 PM
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9. I didn't think there were any Judges left with the balls to tell the truth
like that.

Of course, the dude is 71 years old.

How come no one YOUNG has the balls to make that sort of a True Statement?

Are there no Patriots willing to sacrifice things for the country?

(I'm not talking about LIFE here, people, well, ok maybe your life in a Bush Special Accident, but probably not)
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-04 04:14 PM
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10. Nice thinking!
<snip>
The 71-year-old judge declared that members of the public should, without regard to their political views, expel Mr. Bush from office in order to cleanse the democratic system.

“That’s got nothing to do with the politics of it.It’s got to do with the structural reassertion of democracy,” Judge Calabresi said.
<snip>
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thegoodlife Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-04 04:42 PM
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11. That must've been...
...a tough crowd to make such a statement in front of. No pandering to the audience here!
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-04 05:03 PM
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12. ???
Edited on Tue Jun-22-04 05:03 PM by struggle4progress
It's an unusually strong statement from a sitting judge, regardless of the audience ...
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Gators4Dean Donating Member (28 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-04 06:49 PM
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13. This guy is right
But he is also incrdible out of line for a judge to be public bout political matters when it may cause a conflict in the future.
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 02:53 AM
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14. Kick
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