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CHIMO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-11 08:37 PM
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David Cameron must be careful about conflating Britain and England
The reforming zeal of the coalition has not yet extended to any significant reappraisal of the constitutional arrangements between the four nations of the United Kingdom. Although the Scotland bill is assured smooth passage through Westminster, thus transferring significant new taxation powers, the reforms are founded on extensive cross-party support and were initiated before the coalition came to power. But the commission promised by the coalition on the "West Lothian question" has yet to materialise. David Cameron also appears so far to have resisted the temptation to tie his "we are all in this together" narrative to a government-sponsored British patriotism. Gordon Brown's efforts to instil a common sense of Britishness were instructive; identity politics in the UK are often divisive and politically unrewarding.

The challenge of balancing the demands for further devolution with the maintenance of a universal UK citizenship and British identity was one that the previous Labour government failed to coherently address. But Cameron's declared ambition for the "complete modernisation" of public services could prove increasingly divisive and stimulate intra-national tensions across the UK.

Reform in policy areas such as health, education and local government often relate to England alone, without recognition of their implications elsewhere. For example, the proposed increase in tuition fees in England raised fears in Scotland and Wales of significant numbers of English "refugees" denying Scottish and Welsh students places in their home-based universities. In response, the Scottish and Welsh governments have raised tuition fees for English students in line with rises in England, which some claim is evidence of an anti-English "educational apartheid".

As the devolved governments seek to protect resources and services as the cuts bite, defensive measures may well be extended to other areas as the coalition accelerates its quasi-privatisation of the English public sector. But the vernacular of radical reformism adopted by leading coalition ministers indicates a lack of comprehension of the limits of Westminster's authority in many policy areas. Calls by Michael Gove to teach a "connected narrative" of British history in schools fail to acknowledge he does not have responsibility for curricula design outside of England. In Scotland, the SNP minority government has already begun to reform its history curriculum to promote a distinctive Scottish national narrative.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/feb/06/david-cameron-uk-devolution-citizenship
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enlightenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-11 08:51 PM
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1. That has been a problem common to English
politicians since 1707.
;)
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-11 09:20 PM
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2. first colonies in are last out. Soon it will be ''Stump Britain'' instead of Great Britain
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Ghost Dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-11 03:34 AM
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3. "Great Britain" is a purely geographical term.
It is the name of the largest island in the archipielago called the "British Isles".

This terminology dates back at least to Roman times, unless I am mistaken.
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nxylas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-11 08:10 AM
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4. As opposed to Little Britain
Which was an alternative name for Brittany long before it became the name of an unfunny comedy show.
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Ghost Dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-11 10:03 AM
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6. Well, in French today we have "La Bretagne" (Brittany - the peninsula),
"La Grande Bretagne" (Great Britain - the island), and "Les Îles Britanniques" (British Isles - the archipielago).

(... and there's an unfunny comedy show, I agree, from what I caught sight of once in a house with TV - there hasn't been TV in any home of mine these last twenty years or more)..
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-11 11:17 AM
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7. yeah, I just like the symbolism of great versus it's opposites. But it will never be Lame or Poor
Britain to me as long as it's the home of Shakespeare, Tolkien, CS Lewis, and Ricky Gervais.

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enlightenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-11 11:50 AM
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8. The problem is that when a politician uses
"Great Britain" he/she is referring to the island - and that island contains more than just England. It is disingenuous to suggest that it is just a geographical term when an English politician uses it. When James VI/I used the term he was most deliberately tying together the political fortunes of England and Scotland in a clear attempt to solidify his position as king of both nations (and it was easier to say 'Great Britain, France, and Ireland', I suppose).



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nxylas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-11 08:12 AM
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5. Pandering to his base
The Tories are little more than an English nationalist party these days.
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T_i_B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-11 12:14 PM
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9. Not suprising really
when you consider that the Tories have very little support outside of England.

And even in England their support is centred on the Southern bits.
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