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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 09:30 AM
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Why the GOP, Banksters and their corporate cronies are terrified of Sharia.
This is a long an complicated subject and these two excerpts do not do justice to the topic, but even a cursory study will explain why the Islamic system of laws (Sharia) is an anathema to Western Capitalists. It has very little to do with Religion and a lot to do with Money.


Islamic banking has the same purpose as conventional banking except that it operates in accordance with the rules of Shariah, known as Fiqh al-Muamalat (Islamic rules on transactions). The basic principle of Islamic banking is the sharing of profit and loss and the prohibition of riba (usury). Common terms used in Islamic banking include profit sharing (Mudharabah), safekeeping (Wadiah), joint venture (Musharakah), cost plus (Murabahah), and leasing (Ijar).

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The Qur'an prohibits gambling (games of chance involving money) and insuring ones' health or property (also considered a game of chance). The hadith, in addition to prohibiting gambling (games of chance), also prohibits bayu al-gharar (trading in risk, where the Arabic word gharar is taken to mean "risk" or excessive uncertainty).
The Hanafi madhab (legal school) in Islam defines gharar as "that whose consequences are hidden." The Shafi legal school defined gharar as "that whose nature and consequences are hidden" or "that which admits two possibilities, with the less desirable one being more likely." The Hanbali school defined it as "that whose consequences are unknown" or "that which is undeliverable, whether it exists or not." Ibn Hazm of the Zahiri school wrote "Gharar is where the buyer does not know what he bought, or the seller does not know what he sold." The modern scholar of Islam, Professor Mustafa Al-Zarqa, wrote that "Gharar is the sale of probable items whose existence or characteristics are not certain, due to the risky nature that makes the trade similar to gambling." Other modern scholars, such as Dr. Sami al-Suwailem, have used Game Theory to try and reach a more measured definition of Gharar, defining it as "a zero-sum game with unequal payoffs".<37>
There are a number of hadith that forbid trading in gharar, often giving specific examples of gharhar transactions (e.g., selling the birds in the sky or the fish in the water, the catch of the diver, an unborn calf in its mother's womb etc.). Jurists have sought many complete definitions of the term. They also came up with the concept of yasir (minor risk); a financial transaction with a minor risk is deemed to be halal (permissible) while trading in non-minor risk (bayu al-ghasar) is deemed to be haram.<38>
What gharar is, exactly, was never fully decided upon by the Muslim jurists. This was mainly due to the complication of having to decide what is and is not a minor risk. Derivatives instruments (such as stock options) have only become common relatively recently. Some Islamic banks do provide brokerage services for stock trading.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_banking
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 09:33 AM
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1. Is it true that Sharia Law allows a debt to be extinguished by the payment of a
Edited on Tue May-10-11 09:33 AM by no_hypocrisy
daughter instead of money? Women are on the same level of chattel such as livestock, goats, and sheep.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 09:34 AM
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3. Not if she's ugly.
:rofl:
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 09:34 AM
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2. And yet, they manage to get around it.
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TimLighter Donating Member (131 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 09:36 AM
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4. Wouldn't women and the LGBT community be a bit concerned
also, or are we just cherry picking?
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 09:39 AM
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5. Yes you are.
I hope that answers your question.
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 11:15 AM
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6. Irrelevant: separation of church and state prohibits it in the U.S.
And there are perfectly good secular reasons to prohibit the inhumanity of the banksters.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 02:37 PM
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7. This has little to do with religion
It's just a different way of doing business. You don't have to be Muslim to do business at an Islamic Bank. It's more like a credit Union with strict rules. It gives a large amount of consumer protection. Even the Vatican endorses the business model.
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 03:51 PM
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8. They're scared for the same reason they were scared of Communism
This isn't really about whether Sharia could be implemented in the US. It's about the fear of a system being applied in a large part of the world that excludes Western-style corporate capitalism and does so on moral grounds.

Capitalism itself is simply a system of private ownership -- but corporatism is a legal fiction that encourages people to make risky investments (originally in things like trading ventures or canal construction) by promising to limit their liability if the venture fails while paying off big if it succeeds. In short, it's a crap-shoot.

Sharia specifically prohibits that -- while providing other methods for raising investment capital on a non-gambling basis -- which is why the corporatists hate it and are rolling out the heavy propaganda weapons against it.

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former9thward Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 12:05 AM
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9. Any liberal should be terrified of Sharia.
It is violently anti-woman and anti-gay and anti almost any value that liberals hold.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 08:51 AM
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12. Nobody is advocating the imposition of Sharia in the US or anywhere.
Get a Life.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-11 01:13 AM
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18. did you read the OP at all? It's talking about finance.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 03:06 AM
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10. Thank you. So glad for this food for thought. K & R.
:kick: :kick: :kick: :kick:
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 04:32 AM
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15. You are very welcome
:hi:
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classysassy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 03:40 AM
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11.  The Capitalist criminals
their shills to denounce anything that shed light on their criminal activities.Capitalism in and of itself is a criminal activity.
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WingDinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 09:42 AM
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13. This is also why we invaded and intended to conquer Islamic lands.
The fact that they are Sharia, and ban usury, makes them ripe targets for hostile takeover. Our usury has ruined our customers. Fresh batch. Bush, Greenspan knew the jig was up for capitalism. Unless they could expand into space, or another economy.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 08:38 AM
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17. The Financial Borg
...moving from one Economy to the next,draining the financial life-blood, then moving to the next.
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poli_ticks Donating Member (48 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 05:51 AM
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16. Forget Sharia. This is still a Christian majority country.
Look in Leviticus. Specifically, the stuff about the Jubilee year.
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