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sce56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-11 11:46 AM
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Why Iceland Should Be in the News, But Is Not
http://sacsis.org.za/site/article/728.1
An Italian radio program's story about Iceland’s on-going revolution is a stunning example of how little our media tells us about the rest of the world. Americans may remember that at the start of the 2008 financial crisis, Iceland literally went bankrupt. The reasons were mentioned only in passing, and since then, this little-known member of the European Union fell back into oblivion. As one European country after another fails or risks failing, imperiling the Euro, with repercussions for the entire world, the last thing the powers that be want is for Iceland to become an example. Here's why:

Five years of a pure neo-liberal regime had made Iceland, (population 320 thousand, no army), one of the richest countries in the world. In 2003 all the country’s banks were privatized, and in an effort to attract foreign investors, they offered on-line banking whose minimal costs allowed them to offer relatively high rates of return. The accounts, called IceSave, attracted many English and Dutch small investors. But as investments grew, so did the banks’ foreign debt. In 2003 Iceland’s debt was equal to 200 times its GNP, but in 2007, it was 900 percent. The 2008 world financial crisis was the coup de grace. The three main Icelandic banks, Landbanki, Kapthing and Glitnir, went belly up and were nationalized, while the Kroner lost 85% of its value with respect to the Euro. At the end of the year Iceland declared bankruptcy. Contrary to what could be expected, the crisis resulted in Icelanders recovering their sovereign rights, through a process of direct participatory democracy that eventually led to a new Constitution. But only after much pain.
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Protests and riots continued, eventually forcing the government to resign. Elections were brought forward to April 2009, resulting in a left-wing coalition which condemned the neoliberal economic system, but immediately gave in to its demands that Iceland pay off a total of three and a half million Euros. This required each Icelandic citizen to pay 100 Euros a month (or about $130) for fifteen years, at 5.5% interest, to pay off a debt incurred by private parties vis a vis other private parties. It was the straw that broke the reindeer’s back. What happened next was extraordinary. The belief that citizens had to pay for the mistakes of a financial monopoly, that an entire nation must be taxed to pay off private debts was shattered, transforming the relationship between citizens and their political institutions and eventually driving Iceland’s leaders to the side of their constituents. The Head of State, Olafur Ragnar Grimsson, refused to ratify the law that would have made Iceland’s citizens responsible for its bankers’ debts, and accepted calls for a referendum.
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In the March 2010 referendum, 93% voted against repayment of the debt. The IMF immediately froze its loan. But the revolution (though not televised in the United States), would not be intimidated. With the support of a furious citizenry, the government launched civil and penal investigations into those responsible for the financial crisis. Interpol put out an international arrest warrant for the ex-president of Kaupthing, Sigurdur Einarsson, as the other bankers implicated in the crash fled the country. But Icelanders didn't stop there: they decided to draft a new constitution that would free the country from the exaggerated power of international finance and virtual money. (The one in use had been written when Iceland gained its independence from Denmark, in 1918, the only difference with the Danish constitution being that the word ‘president’ replaced the word ‘king’.)



Can we learn from Iceland?
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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-11 11:49 AM
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1. Prior similar post
In the other thread it points out the numerous errors in this article
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-11 01:40 PM
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3. I don't see numerous errors pointed out.
Edited on Thu Oct-06-11 01:40 PM by cui bono
Are you talking about this thread:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=439&topic_id=2066489

There are two relatively small facts pointed out as incorrect. Do you think it discredits the entire article? Or more importantly, the situation and what happened?

The people took over their country. That's why we don't hear about it here. That's important information to spread about even if there's a couple facts wrong in one article about it.

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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-11 01:57 PM
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4. If they can not get millions and billions straight, what else did they screw up?
Also Iceland is not an EU member

What is happening in Iceland is very important and in many ways revolutionary, but the article was very poorly done?
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-11 02:07 PM
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5. Yes, but that doesn't discredit the gist of the article. I just felt that your post
was going to make people not bother to check into this situation at all because you said "numerous". And perhaps you can answer your own question of "what else did they screw up"? It would actually be helpful, but to throw that out without backing it up sounds like you are dismissing it all because of a couple mistakes. I honestly was wondering if you were the same poster who wrote that in the other thread because it felt like a concerted effort to make people move on and not pay attention.

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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-11 02:39 PM
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6. And a broken mirror is just fine too
Why push obviously flawed pieces when better, more accurate ones are out there? When you cite things are obviously flawed, what does that say about the entire thesis of the piece. If the author can not get basics correct, what does that say about their work?

I for one go for quality...
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-11 04:38 PM
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8. Well, that'll get you seven years of bad luck!
My point is that you're throwing out the baby with the bathwater. I agree it's better to not have the flaws. If there are more accurate articles out there perhaps you can point people to those with a link.

I just don't want to see people thinking the entire thing is wrong, which is the impression I get from you and the other's post. Again, it made it appear that you and s/he are trying to get people to ignore the whole story for some reason.

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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 06:38 AM
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13. "for some reason."
Yes, for some mysterious motive. We see a lot of that around here.
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 10:28 AM
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15. Too much. And more often than not from people with something like "progressive" in their name. n/t
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 10:30 PM
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18. I've noticed posters with a more "hippy", liberal or new age
sort of name often promote middle right or right wing ideals and talking points.

I also noticed this on phenomenon on another discussion group I used to frequent. There was one individual there that would cleverly sneak in a right wing perspective. They had a downright hippy sounding name. Obviously they were an employee of some right wing group. DU is infested with them with new ones turning up every day. Fortunately their arguments often sound ridiculous.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-11 12:29 PM
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2. I cannot recommend this enough
And I want to do an Iceland on Wall Street banksters. They deserve it.
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-11 03:01 PM
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7. I am glad that Iceland
is making the individual Icelandic bankers responsible for their mess accountable. They should be arrested and given due process and made to give up their ill gotten fortunes to make restitution to British and Danish customers.

I am very curious what they are coming up with with their new constitution and how it might compare and contrast to what we have now. I found the website for their new draft constitution, but the English page is a general overview.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-11 07:13 PM
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9. Better Yet, they are prosecuting the Prime Minister who started it all
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Beartracks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 12:28 AM
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10. Can we learn from Iceland? We should.
I have trouble imagining the US citizenry being enlightened enough en masse to pull that off. Too many of them seem to want to blame the wrong people, or are blinded by the theory of trickle-down economics and the myth of The Rich Ones, Creators of Jobs.

"The belief that citizens had to pay for the mistakes of a financial monopoly, that an entire nation must be taxed to pay off private debts, was shattered."

Icelanders rock. :headbang:

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Sherman A1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 03:57 AM
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11. Agreed
This is what we should be doing. Investigating and holding those responsible to account for their Ponzi scheme of Mortgage Backed Securities and such, but alas I suspect this will not happen.
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walerosco Donating Member (449 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 06:15 AM
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12. K & R
we should have said the same thing to our banks.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 06:42 AM
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14. Wouldn't that have been refreshing. nt
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 11:26 AM
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16. Kicked and recommended.
Thanks for the thread, sce.
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Bloke 32 Donating Member (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 03:01 PM
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17. Bastards stole our Cod!
:grr::mad::cry:
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