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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 06:38 PM
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NYT: What if America Just Pulled Out?
What if America Just Pulled Out?
By ROGER COHEN
September 26, 2004

EVEN by its own disturbing standards, this was a hallucinatory week in Iraq. Beheadings, kidnappings, bombings, outbreaks of deadly disease and everyday mayhem were accompanied by interim Prime Minister Ayad Allawi's upbeat statement to Congress: "We are succeeding in Iraq."

Are we? The discordant images and messages captured a central difficulty of defining an Iraq policy. In the absence of any semblance of agreement on what the situation is, or even who is behind the insurgency, setting a course is problematic. But with more than 1,000 Americans already dead, and more dying each week, one question has begun to be posed with growing insistence: Should American forces leave?

There are several arguments for getting out, or at least setting a timetable for doing so. The status quo is unacceptable. History, from Algeria to Vietnam, suggests that no military solution to a spreading insurgency is possible. A major counteroffensive would almost certainly require a large addition to the 138,000 troops in Iraq, an unattractive prospect to politicians of any stripe.

A decision to withdraw would focus the minds of Iraqis, and perhaps their neighbors, on the need to grapple seriously with establishing security and an inclusive political system. It would also remove a chief target of the insurgents - American infidels in uniform - and so presumably undermine their cause.

"A withdrawal plan says to the Iraqis: you want this to be your country, you must make the deals to keep it together," said Leslie Gelb, president emeritus of the Council on Foreign Relations. "If we are there to fight, they won't do this. So a timetable should be established."

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http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/26/weekinreview/26cohe.html
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Spinzonner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 06:40 PM
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1. Imperialus Interruptus
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billbuckhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 06:50 PM
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2. Iraq's already pregnant
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 07:30 PM
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3. That's what I've been thinking for awhile
We need to set a date and tell all we outta here - I'd say very early next year (End of Jan to end of Feb). In the interim we should do what we can (including inviting others in to help) to train the Iraqi military and police making sure they are equipped.
But Iraqis if you don't get your act together, fight it out amongst yourselves.
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jimshoes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 07:32 PM
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4. What and give up our new wild wild west
Where the only law is at the barrel end of a gun. So much to steal so little time.
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tibbiit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 08:25 PM
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5. The news media NEVER
mentions the 14 permanent bases we've built.
they dont plan on leaving at all.
tib
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 11:41 PM
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6. What if W*s daddy had
just pulled out?
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The Zanti Regent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 07:06 AM
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7. We're merely doing what Likud tells us to do.
The only question is if we're gonna go into Iran or Syria next!
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scoopmeister Donating Member (147 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 07:32 AM
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8. Vietnam-Iraq timeline
It's pretty eerie, the parallels between 1964-65 and 2004-5. Take a look:

http://www.pnionline.com/dnblog/extra/archives/000921.h...
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