Freepers and David Brooks say PNAC just a conspiracy theory

[Cannikin]

"Do you ever get the sense the whole world is becoming unhinged from reality? I started feeling that way awhile ago, when I was still working for The Weekly Standard and all these articles began appearing about how Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, Doug Feith, Bill Kristol and a bunch of "neoconservatives" at the magazine had taken over U.S. foreign policy.
The full-mooners fixated on a think tank called the Project for the New American Century, which has a staff of five and issues memos on foreign policy. To hear these people describe it, PNAC is sort of a Yiddish Trilateral Commission, the nexus of the sprawling neocon tentacles. "

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1052260/posts
http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/1052497/posts


Are the freepers right? Do I need to shut up and put on my tin foil hat?

[Faygo Kid]

1. What??? Just check the PNAC web site.

Good heavens, look at the leadership listed; it is all those wonderful neo-con folks. David Brooks is an idiot. Getting worse all the time.

[Sterling]

2. Too bad it's not a fantasy.

They will try to twist the words and ideas of those who are aware of PNAC but yes it really does exists and those who actually read the plan are usually stunned at it's implications.

[Military Brat]

3. I really think they protest too much

Any time the freepers want to stifle a valid point, they mock it. And their favorite mocking tone is to accuse something of being a "conspiracy theory."

I really don't believe Cheney and Kristol and Wolfowitz and all those other men in PNAC would be playing games. It's no theory. It's real. And they are very very serious about their intentions.
http://newamericancentury.org/

Edit: Letter to Clinton on Iraq, January 1998
http://newamericancentury.org/iraqclintonletter.htm
signed by:
Elliott Abrams, Richard L. Armitage, William J. Bennett
Jeffrey Bergner, John Bolton, Paula Dobriansky
Francis Fukuyama, Robert Kagan, Zalmay Khalilzad
William Kristol, Richard Perle, Peter W. Rodman
Donald Rumsfeld, William Schneider, Jr., Vin Weber
Paul Wolfowitz, R. James Woolsey, Robert B. Zoellick

Hmm, looks like a lot more than five men to me ...

[Stephanie]

7. They Ridicule What They Can't Refute -

Watch how they do it. It's their only defense.

[Enraged_Ape]

4. Well, PNAC had their own freakin' website until it got too much...

bad publicity. Anyone could read it. I found out about it right here on DU (which is where I find out about anything else, months ahead of the corporate media).

And I seem to recall that the PNAC involved a lot more than "a staff of five", including William Krystol, Jeb Bush, Paul Wolfowitz, Dick Cheney, Richard Perle, and a few other Republican high-rollers whose names escape me.

Their publications were out for ANYONE to read, until the heat got too high. They provided no less than a roadmap to empire in the Middle East.

Surely someone has this site mirrored.

[mike1963]

9. PNAC website is still very much online:

http://newamericancentury.org/

:eyes:

[Hieronymus]

5. Unfortunately most cons

will believe what they're told. They don't read, like Bush doesn't read.:eyes:

[parasim]

6. Well...

Check out this site for more info and decide for yourself.
There is a link to the PNAC's own website there, btw.

http://pnac.info/

[DoYouEverWonder]

8. Then why did W appoint so many of the PNAC alumni

to work in his misadministration? And why is the Bu$hler foreign policy just a photocopy of the PNAC plan that was written before Bu$hler took office?

[Minstrel Boy]

11. As I recall, the staffing was left to Cheney,

who saw to it his fellow New American Centurions had the run of the joint.

[Cleita]

10. Here's your rogues gallery on the Statement of Principles.

Some familiar names here no?

Elliott Abrams
Gary Bauer
William J. Bennett
Jeb Bush
Dick Cheney
Eliot A. Cohen
Midge Decter
Paula Dobriansky
Steve Forbes
Aaron Friedberg
Francis Fukuyama
Frank Gaffney
Fred C. Ikle
Donald Kagan
Zalmay Khalilzad
Lewis Libby
Norman Podhoretz
Dan Quayle
Peter W. Rodman
Stephen P. Rosen
Henry S. Rowen
Donald Rumsfeld
Vin Weber
George Weigel
Paul Wolfowitz

http://www.newamericancentury.org/statementofprinciples.htm

[Faygo Kid]

12. Thanks. A superb post that says it all.

Yeah, not many fellow travelers there. Nope, nothing here to see, folks - move on, please. None of those listed have any influence; not much at all. Brooks' integrity shines through once again.

[Unforgiven]

13. Like the

warden said in the movie Cool Hand Luke "Some men you just can't reach"

[lcordero]

14. hehehe

Please tell me another one:

http://reports.internic.net/cgi-bin/whois?whois_nic=newamericancentury.org&type=domain

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[truth2power]

15. David Brooks lives in some alternate universe. n/t

[Trajan]

16. Lable an idea 'kookie' ...

and it brands those who hold that idea as 'Kooks' ...

Cheap ad hominem misdirection ....

What a load .....

[ComerPerro]

17. Yeah, staff of five people

Five people who happen to control the direction of Bush's foreign policy, and are following the precise plan which they laid out.