A Frightening Caller on CSpan

[ThomWV]

A caller on C-Span just made the following statement (as far as my memory allowed me to make an accurate quote).

"I'm tired of people saying that President Bush killed 10,000 or 20,000 people in Iraq. He's a man of God, and if Bush killed those people he did it for Jesus"

How do you beat that, how do you try to talk to a person like that? How many of these people are out there. Have they no sense of morality at all?

Thom

[0007]

1. I just heard the idiot - c-span blew him off fairly fast!

Talking to a person like that is like talking to a drunk.

[SoCalDem]

3. Sometimes when I hear those people, I think it's someone

having a little fun.. Then I think.. what if they are being sincere??:( I hope they are funning us :)

[0007]

4. It did sound like he was pulling our leg

Did ya see that lady kind of smile?

[onecitizen]

8. Yeah he did sound like a joke.........

but unfortunately, that's what these people sound like......scary!:scared:

[Gman]

6. Excellent analogy

because that's exactly what you're dealing with.

[Catfish]

26. Good point

Some people are mentally drunk on various delusions and there is no point in discussing the issue with them.

[loudnclear]

64. The most frightening thing is that Bush really believes this...

It's amazing how a deranged and stupid leader can get so many people to follow them. It's all about appealing to people's prejudices and fears.

[LTR]

2. Intelligence testing at the polls

But I guess the Republicans got rid of those too soon.

Must have seen their moronic, naive freeper base coming a long time ago.

[Name removed]

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[hang a left]

45. I have never been so embarrassed to be an

American, than I am today as a result of the policies of the squatters in the White House.

[ParanoidPat]

52. The layout of the "butterfly' ballot was illegal......

.....in as much as the ballot had names on both sides of the area to be punched. For many years the basic layout of all ballots had the names to the left and the area to be punched to the right. The candidates names were in order from the incumbent at the top, major party opponent next and third party candidates after that. It's only logical that older people who had voted many times before and were familiar with the normal ballot layout had the most trouble with the new layout. Had Al Gore's name been at the top of the ballot where it belonged, (he was the 'incumbent' candidate from the party in power) Bush* would have lost the votes. Had it been Bush* > Gore > Third party candidate > etc., many fewer votes would have been 'spoiled'.
Add the fact that there are many documented cases of people who asked for a new ballot after realizing their mistake and were denied a new ballot and many more were simply told to "just punch the other hole, it'll be alright" and you have a case for fraud.

As an analogy, suppose you got in your car one morning after driving it for years and found that there were suddenly threepedals instead of two on the floor and the order of the pedals had changed. You only get one chance to get it right.
Which pedal would you push first? :evilgrin:
Many people chose the one they were used to.

As far as "Intelligence Testing" is concerned, as long as the test has questions like "Why did so many people have trouble with the 'butterfly ballot' in the 2000 election?" I wouldn't bet on you being able to vote. :)

Oh, and welcome to DU? :)

[Must_B_Free]

59. There was another factor

the factor was how the ballot fit into the form holder.

the picture of the ballot in the form holder that I saw on TV showed the holes off the mark, so that the hole for the guy across from Gore, (Buchanan, I think), was closest to the Al Gore section.

[ablbodyed]

5. I'm afraid that....

there're more than we can guess. Add to that morons who get on TV and thank their lord and savior for winning a f.....g FOOTBALL game and you can understand my contempt and fear.

[Bush loves Jiang]

32. lol...

I had to explain that concept about 10 times to a British girl I was talking to who is of the Baptist (I don't know what kind, but she said that her church has Blacks, Whites, and Asians...She's White, btw) faith before it made any sense to her.

People are serious about their sports in the UK, but they don't see it as some sort of crusade or jihad like a lot of Americans do.

[DemNoir]

7. I love CSPAN but

The call-in shows are really nothing more than a bastion for mentally disturbed shut ins. I don't think its an accurate depiction of attitudes in America.

[SoCalDem]

12. Hey.. watch it !! I call in a lot

and I am not a mentally ill shut in.. :) At least not all at the same time :)

[DemNoir]

13. Sorry

Hope you know what I meant...

[Skittles]

14. oh come on

I enjoy the call-in segment of CSPAN; sure there are always some nuts but there are also always some wonderful, witty, intelligent callers.

[Skip Intro]

9. That's just scary

The argument is, from these people, I take it, that God told bush to kill? So bush could say, "God told me to kill you." Now don't most people who believe such things get a life-long padded room to call home?

Or does this happy murderer-worshipping child of Christ mean that bush was offering a mass sacrifice to "God"?

Seems like these people would implode from their own hypocrisy.

[RandomKoolzip]

31. Isn't that a sign of the onset of schizophrenia?

Hearing voices? And if those voices tell you to Kill, then it's psychosis, right? And if you interpret those voices as coming from Jesus, then you've got delusions of grandeur....So, Bush is a psychotic schizophrenic with delusions of grandeur.


Anyway you cut it, the man sent many innocent people to death. If there WAS sucha person as Jesus, doubtless he wouldn't approve. It's time for the fundies to start thinking....

You know, it's amazing that the RW always accuses us of letting our emotions get in the way of rationality and facts, but if you listen to the voice of the base, there's some serious rationality-denial going on, as well as thinking ONLY with emotions instead of logic. Jesus said it was okay to kill 20,000 people? Doesn't sound very rational or logical to me.

[snippy]

57. Bush claims that his god told him to kill.

The press has reported that Bush has told several friends and Cabinet members that his god selected him to be president so that he could respond to 9/11. At the Aqaba summit Bush said something similar to then Palestinian Prime Minister Mahmoud Abbas.

According to Abbas, . . . Bush said: "God told me to strike at al Qaida and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East. If you help me I will act, and if not, the elections will come and I will have to focus on them."

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=310788&contrassID=2&subContrassID=1&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y

Besides demonstrating Bush's mental instability, my favorite aspect of this quote is the implication that Bush believes that his god wants Bush to work for peace in the Middle East, but only if it does not interfere with Bush's re-election campaign. Bush's god has some seriously fucked up values. Just like Bush.

[Terwilliger]

10. That person has a picture on the wall of someone he doesn't know

he might as well throw it out

[liberalnurse]

11. You don't approach the "mentally ill" head on......

even if it appears to be a hint of psychosis. Besides that warning thought, I believe they say this to rationalize their own support of *bush during the pre-war and ensuring attack.

If they admit *bush is wrong and he actually killed people for self interest the religious extremist would also have to assume responsibility. Denial is their "safe mode" option.

[H2O Man]

20. Please resist cheap "mentally ill" jokes.

What was expressed by the gentleman was "moral illness," not mental illness. Most people who suffer from mental illness are not violent or stupid or any of the other qualities required for membership in the republican party. Mentally ill people are far more likely to be the victim of a violent crime than (a) the general public, and (b)they are likely to commit one. As a retired psychiatric social worker, I can assure you that the mentally ill in our communities are among those most savagely victimized by this administration. Thanks.

[Kanary]

23. Welcome to DU, H20 Man!

:hi: :hi: :hi:

:toast:

I want to thank you for your insightful and well-worded post! This is such an important issue, and it seems like it takes so long to get the message across.

I do hope that your words have some effect.

Thanks for speaking up!

Kanary

[H2O Man]

27. Well, thank you, my new friend Kanary!

It's nice to know that someone is listening! I've been adding comments on d.u. for a little over a month, and have found it to be refreshing. I think that the people who participate here have the potential to be the bibical "yeast" that allows our culture to rise to a higher station. But I think we need to remember that those people who we may mistakenly view as "at the bottem" are a valuable part of that recipe. Again, thank you, my friend!

[Kanary]

35. Definitely listening... you said what needed to be said

And I welcome you as a friend.

There's the slight issue here of ..... "Changing the content but not the process."

Kanary, another one of those "at the bottom" (economically speaking)

[Buns_of_Fire]

15. The caller got dumped just before he

got to the "Can I get an AY-MEN?" part.

Earnest Angley couldn't have done it better. YAY-YUH!

I have to think it was a spoof, if only because the prospect of anyone actually believing it is too scary.

[SoCalDem]

16. I love the ones who start out with

"Ah teyull yoooo wut", and then start praising Bush ..

[Buns_of_Fire]

21. That, and "I support our pResident* and everything he does..."

It starts sounding like the RNC has had that printed up on little cards, to be used as the obligatory preface to any political statement. Maybe it's being printed on the backs of packages of Kool-Aid these days...? :shrug:

[SoCalDem]

22. and how 'boout.. "Ah yooosed ta be a democRAT, but Clinton..."

:)

[LTR]

25. And you know that once they mention 'Hillary'

the argument is officially dead.

[goddess40]

18. Scriptures

Early this morning on CNN they interviewed two men about who they were going to vote for. The man in NY gave a very intelligent answer and said he would vote for "anyone but Bush." The man from one of the Carolinas (looked like he was a bus driver) said he was a Democrat but he and his friends were voting for Bush because "he does what he says he will do and he is the only President who quotes scripture in his speeches." The one from NY said he could not understand how the man in Carolina could vote for Bush and felt he did not look at the economic picture at all. I seriously doubt if the Carolian was a Democrat.

[Comadreja]

53. I'm a bus driver

Wasn't aware it was PC to denigrate my profession.

[goddess40]

54. Bus drivers

No denigration meant. He happened to be in uniform and was driving a bus. My dad was a truck driver so I would never bad mouth any one who drives for a living.

[rman]

17. i'm sure jesus is happy with all that blood. n/t

-

[SoCalDem]

19. Have you seen the documentary.."Blood makes the grass grow"?

I saw it the other night on Link .. It was about Gulf War 1, but it could be anyplace...

Watch for it.. It's worth seeing

http://www.buyindies.com/listings/2/6/FCTS-26918.html

[Cat Atomic]

24. I heard a guy say all leaders are annointed by god.

I asked him if Clinton was annointed by God, and he said no.

Those sorts of people are hopeless. They simply don't think logically. They've been trained by religion to think in reverse. Everything is faith.

They decide to believe a thing, and then ignore all evidence that disputes their belief. They can hold two contradictory beliefs at the same time without any trouble at all.

[zonmoy]

62. So basicly you are saying

That their religion could be considered a form of insanity.

[Cat Atomic]

66. Fundamentalism? I wouldn't call it insanity, but it

certainly doesn't foster critical thought, or even logical thought.

I've got nothing against religion, but fundamentalists cause nothing but trouble, whether they're Muslim, Christian, Jewish, or anything else.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

28. omg!.......i'm speachless......nt

[veganwitch]

29. I couldnt tell if this person was sarcastic or sincere

I guess thats the sign of good satire.

[Catshrink]

30. Onward Christian soldiers!

Onward, Christian Soldiers!
Marching as to war,
With the cross of Jesus
Going on before;

Christ, the royal master,
Leads against the foe;
Forward into battle,
See, His banners go!

Onward, Christian Soldiers!
Marching as to war,
With the cross of Jesus
Going on before.

Like a mighty army,
Moves the Church of God:
Brothers, we are treading,
Where the saints have trod;

We are not divided,
All one body we,
One in hope, in doctrine,
One in Charity.

Onward, Christian Soldiers!
Marching as to war,
With the cross of Jesus
Going on before;

Onward then, ye people!
Join our happy throng,
Blend with ours your voices
In the triumph song;
Glory, laud and honor
Unto Christ, the King,
This through countless ages Men and angels sing

Onward, Christian Soldiers!
Marching as to war,
With the cross of Jesus
Going on before.

Words by Sabine Baring-Gould

[Kanary]

37. About the words...

"Christ, the royal master,
Leads against the foe;"

I once heard someone say when they were a child, they thought the words were:

"Christ the royal master leans against the phone"

:) :) :)

Then, there's the part of the verse they seem to conveniently forget about:

"One in Charity."

Doesn't fit in with the rest of their system.

All in all, it's a pretty scary song.

Kanary

[gauguin57]

41. AS to war

What these "God wants us to war against the godless heathens" folks don't notice about the song is that it's "AS to war" ... "LIKE a mighty army." It's a trope ... a friggin' simile, not a commandment.

I want someone to declare a "National Sit on Your Bible Day," on which all Bible-quoting, letter-to-the-editor-writing, C-span callin' Fundies must sit on their Bibles and think for themselves for one whole day. Kinda like the National Smokeout. Get off the "pipe," Fundies!!!

[Catshrink]

44. Think for themselves?

What you smokin' in that pipe, gauguin?

[liberalhistorian]

60. Actually, that doesn't refer

to actual war, that song was meant to "pump up the troops" for missionary work and evangelizing, in other words bringing others to the faith (their version of it, at least). It didn't mean cheering people off to actual war in the name of Jesus.

[info being]

33. My Christian Mom said yesterday...

"We had a great sermon in Church today...about how we shouldn't question our leaders...your boss, our politicians, God wants us to know our place."

I told her it was unamerican and she should live under a King or a dictator, because that's not how Democracy works. Of course she didn't understand me.

[RandomKoolzip]

38. So God is a fascist?

Tell your mom that "we" did an awful lot of questioning of the last few Dem leaders...Carter was vilified for the hostage crisis and a bad economy, Clinto was "questioned" for every little thing he did.....Funny how the only leaders we should "question," according to the God that pastor was quoting, are Dem leaders. Of course, everything a repub leader (or your boss...very American philosophy...never queston your boss...of course, we'd never have had the American Revolution had we not questioned our bosses...) says is gospel, right?

SO that makes God fascist, or at least, very partisan.

ALWAYS question authority, whether it be a Dem, a repub, or whoever. That's a philosophy God'd be happy with. After all, wasn't the Pharoah a "leader," too?

[redqueen]

40. Holy God

That's got to be one of the most frightening things I've heard in my life.

[havocmom]

46. pastors have visions of protection $$ dancing in their heads

err, funds to promote marriage yeah, that's it... so they have to fulfill their part of the deal and get the troops back into full disconnect mode cuz some of 'em were starting to wake up and ask questions...

It would seem likely that there will be more and more instruction from pulpits for the faithful to shut up, suck it up and eat shit from those in power. With a billion and a half, they buy a lot of carrots to dangle before a lot of ministers who do not apply critical thinking to moral questions.

[devinsgram]

34. Sometimes I listen to C-Span,

but I never take those people too serious, I just figure someone forgot to lock up the phone at the psych ward their in.

[Kanary]

48. Please read post # 20 Thank you n/t

[leesa]

36. It was a stroke of genius years ago when the GOP decided to

have their candidates pretend they were Fundies. Fundies are enormously gullible....all they had to do was tell them Bush was chosen by God and ANYTHING he does, from that point on, is God's work. He could slit a child's throat on live TV and it would be God's work.

[Ivote]

43. They remind

me of the same people that followed, Jim Jones,
David Koresch and the Pied Piper and look where
that got them. Unfortunately the way things are
going it looks like there will be plenty more.

[Waistdeep]

42. I thought it was a spoof

Just a little too well composed. I also thought the accent was a little over the top.

[redqueen]

47. I wish

Come on down to Texas. That accent is not far from reality.

In major cities (I think we have four), it's not so prevalent. But drive outside into the rural areas, and strike up a conversation at a convenience store or restaurant. It'll make your head spin.

What makes me laugh is these people will complain about ebonics. Um....

A frightening story: I work with Indians (IT consulting firm), and the woman who worked in my position before me lived out in the country. She told one of the guys working here that he wouldn't last five minutes in her neighborhood - that they'd burn his house down. Nice, huh?

[Lorien]

49. They are always the same people

who justify the war by saying "Saddam was an evil man who killed his own people! We had to invade for humanitarian reasons"!

[Zero Gravitas]

50. Killing for Jesus

These people are no different from the al Qaeda types who "kill for Allah". Same mind set, the details about which religion they are killing for is irrelevant.

[redqueen]

51. Nitpicking

Well, actually...

I may be wrong, but didn't Jesus try to change the violent OT stuff? I'm curious as to how much violent stuff is directly attributable to Mohammad.

Since the prophet of Christianity at least tried to get his fans to quit acting like Neanderthals (however unsuccessfully, obviously), I'd count that as a plus.

[Jackpine Radical]

55. WWJK

Who would Jesus kill?

[ComerPerro]

56. Well, he DID kill for Jesus

After all, we have to stir the pot in the Middle East so that we can regain the Holy Land, thus fulfilling the prophecy and allowing Jesus to come back. This, of course, will bring about Armageddon and the Rapture.

This is the horrifying mentality of many right-wingers.

Personally, I hope the Rapture happens soon, because I am going to laugh my ass off when I see the faces of the right-wingers when they realize they were "Left Behind" with all of us sinful liberals.

[zonmoy]

63. Come now

if there is such a thing as a good god he would definately take the sinful liberals and leave the religious right behind.

[liberalhistorian]

58. You simply CANNOT

talk to people like that, they're blind, deaf, dumb, and clueless. And they are, unfortunately, far more numerous than we'd like to think and they are exactly the kind of idiot sheeple the Bushista fascists appeal to.

And, as a Christian, I don't know which Jesus she's referring to, but it sure isn't the one I believe in!

[zonmoy]

61. Just proves that

Jesus is as evil as any other god out there.

[GOPBasher]

65. Killed FOR Jesus????

Hmmm ... I'm no expert on the Bible, but from I've read and what I gather, I'm pretty sure Jesus promoted peace, not killing in his name.