Is round two of the CIA/Admin war coming? Hey Matcom, what's your dad say?

[trumad]

Old David Kay just lit a spark and I'm sure it's going to blow...

[matcom]

1. can you give me the Kay link?

have been out of the country and missed it

:shrug:

i'll be happy to run it by him for ya

[lindashaw]

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/01/26/international/middleeast/26KAY.html

[trumad]

2. Welcome back to reality

It's the 5th paragraph that might get old Dad worked up..

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/01/25/sprj.nirq.kay/index.html

[matcom]

3. WOW

thanks. forwarded

[dbt]

4. Now Channeling Warren Zevon:

"Send lawyers, guns and money
For the shit has hit the fan."

:evilgrin:
dbt

[Capt_Nemo]

5. Meanwhile in the UK the MI6 is preparing for a clash with the blairites

http://www.sundayherald.com/39548

I think it is safe to rule out coincidence.

Let the games begin! :evilgrin:

[Cannikin]

8. Loved the online poll at the bottom.

Did Iraq have weapons of mass destruction?
Response Votes

Yes 13%
No 87%

[molly]

6. WHOA!!

perfect timing. We just need this on all the news channels.

[Jose Diablo]

7. Clash of the Titans n/t

[Media_Lies_Daily]

9. Not all of the intelligence agencies went along for the NeoCon ride...

...the biggest push came out of the intelligence agencies controlled by the Defense Department which has been under a very heavy NeoCon influence for quite some time. In fact, it is this faction that attempted to convince Clinton that Iraq had to be invaded during Clinton's second term.

It's also my recollection that the CIA leadership began to dispute quite a bit of the standard "Iraq has WMDs" dogma well before the NeoCons gained control of the U. S. government. In fact, the CIA requested that certain language be changed in Junior's so-called SOTU speech and in Powell's repeated speeches at the UN...those attempts failed. I'm also convinced that there's a NeoCon faction present in the CIA as well...not large, but just enough to create internal problems for the CIA.

Kay is performing what the intelligence community refers to as a "limited hangout"...make public some of the truth while withholding the major truths from public view. The notion that the intelligence agencies owe Junior is pure theater, IMHO.

[HootieMcBoob]

10. I'm wondering if that's the case as well

We know about the office of special programs or whatever it was called was set up by the white house (probably Cheney) to produce the intelligence that they wanted. And Kay's early resignation is a sign that he was disgusted with something. His call for investigations is the right response. If it was a call for investigating the administration it would be better but it might have been blocked or something. I still have confidence that the truth will all come out in the end.

Here's the thing: the original inspection team after the first gulf war said they got over 90% of the WMD. Then there were 12 years of sanctions with intermittent bombings which included norther and southern no fly zones under our control. We also know that large portions of what the administration was passing off for fact was bogus and we know that they were told so by the CIA. We have a former cabinet member who claims that invading Iraq was the plan from day one of this administration and we have a PNAC document saying that what they needed was another "Pearl Harbor".

Can anybody connect these freakin' dots!!!

[ElsewheresDaughter]

13. OSP Office of Special Plans...NOT "Programs"! Programs is a different

and legit office...BUT the OSP = OFFICE OF SPECIAL PLANS! is the secert office that Wolfowitz/Perle/Cheney/Rumsfeld and the PNACers created when the CIA wasn't changing intel to their likings and created this office to fabricate false intel to adhere to their evil agenda!!!

Google Office of Special Plans

[Beetwasher]

16. Kay's Getting Out While the Gettings Good

I have a feeling he knows what's coming down the pike and wants no part of it. He doesn't want to be the bag man who's going to be forced to "find" the planted WMD's in October.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

17. i agree ......read these research documents "Office of Special Plans"

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/wot/iraq/office_of_special_plans.html

“They were a pretty shadowy presence. Normally when you compile an intelligence document, all the agencies get together to discuss it. The OSP was never present at any of the meetings I attended.” - Gregory Thielmann, a senior official in the state department's intelligence

"That office was charged with collecting, vetting and disseminating intelligence completely outside of the normal intelligence apparatus. In fact, it appears that information collected by this office was in some instances not even shared with established intelligence agencies and in numerous instances was passed on to the national security council and the president without having been vetted with anyone other than political appointees"- Democratic congressman David Obey






Summary: Soon after September 11, a small intelligence office was created by the Pentagon to assess the threat that Iraq allegedly posed to the U.S. It remained relatively secret during the first year of its existence, known only by Donald Rumsfeld's inner circle of neoconservative ideologues. Sources within the intelligence community told reporters that the group, known as the Office of Special Plans, cherry-picked intelligence from questionable sources to support the case for invading Iraq. The intelligence team's conclusions were presented directly to the White House and National Security Agency without first being vetted by other intelligence agencies, like the CIA and the Defense Intelligence Agency. The office was also blamed for the administration's lack of post-war plans in Iraq and accused of undermining the administration's policy towards Iran.
Related Outlines: Post-War Iraq.
Pre-War Planning
Adminstration
Contracts
Economy
Education
Oil
Resistance
Legal System


Invasion of Iraq.
Arab and Iraqi Civilian response to U.S. war of 'liberation'
Problems encountered by U.S. troops during the beginning of the U.S. invasion


much more at link site

[JohnyCanuck]

19. Note also this source of some of the cherry picked info.

Sources within the intelligence community told reporters that the group, known as the Office of Special Plans, cherry-picked intelligence from questionable sources to support the case for invading Iraq.

I don't expect this aspect of the sordid story will get much coverage.

The OSP was an open and largely unfiltered conduit to the White House not only for the Iraqi opposition. It also forged close ties to a parallel, ad hoc intelligence operation inside Ariel Sharon's office in Israel specifically to bypass Mossad and provide the Bush administration with more alarmist reports on Saddam's Iraq than Mossad was prepared to authorise.

"None of the Israelis who came were cleared into the Pentagon through normal channels," said one source familiar with the visits. Instead, they were waved in on Mr Feith's authority without having to fill in the usual forms.

The exchange of information continued a long-standing relationship Mr Feith and other Washington neo-conservatives had with Israel's Likud party.

In 1996, he and Richard Perle - now an influential Pentagon figure - served as advisers to the then Likud leader, Binyamin Netanyahu. In a policy paper they wrote, entitled A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm, the two advisers said that Saddam would have to be destroyed, and Syria, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, and Iran would have to be overthrown or destabilised, for Israel to be truly safe.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,999737,00.html

Surpraaahhhhzzzzz, surpraaaahhhzzz, surpraaaahhhhzzzz as Gomer Pile USMC would say.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

18. yuppers all the whells are falling off the bushco* wagon!!!

[ElsewheresDaughter]

23. edit timed out: that's "wheels" are falling off the BushCo* wagon"

[JHB]

11. ex-analyst Larry Johnson in Friday's Salon

Jan. 23, 2004 | In President Bush's State of the Union address, national security was a core theme, and with good reason: Recent polls show Bush enjoys far more popular support for his aggressive foreign policy and terror-fighting tactics than on domestic issues. Undoubtedly, the president's reelection campaign will tout two swift, decisive military victories in Afghanistan and Iraq, and argue the homeland is more secure since the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.

But for almost a year, the White House has been quietly fighting a contentious battle at home on the national security front -- against the U.S. intelligence community itself. Vocal retired intelligence officials, and anonymous active ones, have protested repeatedly that the White House has coerced intelligence agencies to rig findings and analysis to suit administration aims. An egregious example: The long-held goal of removing Saddam Hussein from power, by unilateral war if necessary. The consequences of such White House intimidation could be disastrous, the intelligence veterans say, with the integrity of their work -- and national security -- put at grave risk.

The latest salvo was launched this week when a group of respected former CIA officials, led by decorated analyst Larry C. Johnson, sent a letter to Republican Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert demanding that Congress hold the White House accountable for deliberately revealing the identity of undercover CIA operative Valerie Plame. Johnson, who also served as deputy director for the State Department's Office of Counter Terrorism, says the administration's political tactics are clear. "With this White House, I see an outright pattern of bullying," he told Salon in an interview Thursday. "We've seen it across different agencies, a pattern of going after anybody who's a critic. When people raise legitimate issues that may not be consistent with existing administration policy, those people are attacked and their character is impugned."
****
Perhaps indicative of just how deep the conflict runs, Johnson has particularly harsh words for a normally tough-talking president who stands by while "the most sensitive security assets of the United States" are compromised. Such behavior, he says, ultimately amounts to treason. "When you expose clandestine human intelligence sources," he fumes, "you aid and abet terrorists." Johnson speaks out not as a partisan opponent to the president, but as a registered Republican who has given money to Bush in the past.
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2004/01/23/johnson/index.html

[ElsewheresDaughter]

12. i believe it is...bushco needs a scapegoat BIGTIME but won't mention OSP

BushCo** must cover up his secert OSP!!!....we need to scream "Bush* secert OSP" from every rooftop NOW!

OFFICE OF SPECIAL PLANS!!!
OFFICE OF SPECIAL PLANS!!!
OFFICE OF SPECIAL PLANS!!!
OFFICE OF SPECIAL PLANS!!!
OFFICE OF SPECIAL PLANS!!!
OFFICE OF SPECIAL PLANS!!!
WOLFOWITZ! PERLE! OFFICE OF SPECIAL PLAN!!!
WOLFOWITZ! PERLE! OFFICE OF SPECIAL PLAN!!!
WOLFOWITZ! PERLE! OFFICE OF SPECIAL PLAN!!!
WOLFOWITZ! PERLE! OFFICE OF SPECIAL PLAN!!!
WOLFOWITZ! PERLE! OFFICE OF SPECIAL PLAN!!!
WOLFOWITZ! PERLE! OFFICE OF SPECIAL PLAN!!!
WOLFOWITZ! PERLE! OFFICE OF SPECIAL PLAN!!!
WOLFOWITZ! PERLE! OFFICE OF SPECIAL PLAN!!!
WOLFOWITZ! PERLE! OFFICE OF SPECIAL PLAN!!!

[King Coal]

14. No, No, No

It's not Weapons of Mass Destruction, it's Weapons of Mass Destruction programs relative activities. Bingo games, and bake sales. Don't you people listen to Al Franken?

[ElsewheresDaughter]

15. LMAO what was the Rumfilled quote about "we know what we don't know...."

[myrna minx]

20. Here you go...

As we know,
There are known knowns.
There are things we know we know.
We also know
There are known unknowns.
That is to say
We know there are some things
We do not know.
But there are also unknown unknowns,
The ones we don't know
We don't know.

-Donald Rumsfeld.

[qb]

21. At the time he must have thought himself so terribly clever.

What an ass.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

24. mm.....that's it!!!1 thanks for posting that mind twisting Rumfilled quote

:crazy: :crazy: :crazy:

[Blue_Roses]

25. LMAO!

what an idiot.:7 Does he realize how ridiculous this sounds...guess not

[many a good man]

26. Its "Napkins of Mass Destruction"

Kay found a doodle of a missile with 5 engines on it!

[ElsewheresDaughter]

27. LM(_Y_)O..."Doodles of Mass Destruction"

[DeepModem Mom]

22. This WH has tremendous power -- enough to win a war with the CIA? nt