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NeoConsSuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 02:36 PM
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The Democrats are out to get you
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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 02:47 PM
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1. "Fortune Magazine" or "Facsist Magazine"?
:puke:
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DiverDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 03:01 PM
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2. Snarkey little
Edited on Tue Jan-27-04 03:10 PM by DiverDave
fascist, ain't he?
Thats right you bloated corporate lawmakers, we ARE out to get you!

Be afraid, be VERY afraid you stinking CEO's, we may tell you that a salary that's 2,000 times the average worker's is obscene.
Especially when your company is laying off said workers... in droves.
That sending our jobs to kids in the third world is, well, UN-AMERICAN.
And ONLY 3 top 500 have corporate offices offshore?

Count again, you fascist media puppet.
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WhoCountsTheVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 03:34 PM
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4. nice one!
keep it up DiverDave - I approve your message! :)
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ramapo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 03:11 PM
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3. I could use the same argument
...against the constant Republican-led anti-government tirades. After all, who is the government? It is us. Perhaps some of you, your neighbors, your friends, your relatives. American citizens (Republicans and Democrats alike) are the government, so to hate the government is to hate ourselves.

The corporations have a much different agenda. Yes, the collective we make up a large part of the corporations but we don't necessarily control the corporation. It could easily be based in Europe or Asia or even South America.

The bottom line for a corporation is profit. The bottom line for the American government is (should be) the well-being of each and every American.
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DiverDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 06:40 PM
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5. Kick
This is a must read, the suits are scared.
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cprise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 06:52 PM
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6. "even if the populism on the stump is somewhat phony..."
So you think your corporate audience has 'em bought then?

Don't bet on it.

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DiverDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 05:25 PM
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7. Money =
Edited on Wed Jan-28-04 05:25 PM by DiverDave
free speach.
Which begs the question.

Since I have no money, does my voice mean less then, say, Dupont's voice?

I guess we all know the answer to that.
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mulethree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 07:13 PM
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8. put your money where your mouth is
Got stocks? Is that invested in profitable companies? or unprofitable ones? Well, ok lots of people invested in unprofitable companies back in the dot.com era, so companies with good expectations of future profits.

Got a pension? A Mutual Fund? and you expect them to invest your money profitably.

I suspect ;) that you have a computer. Open it up and try to find a part thats american made. Might find one if your computer is 15 years old. Open a 25 year old computer and you will see lots and lots. We didn't scream when American dominance in computers (the future) got shipped overseas before it had even started to mature.

Got a soldier? We sent 150,000 to Iraq and now our force of 1.2 million is overextended. How many of the 150,000 are reserves (I don't know) but we have 1.2 active duty and sending 12% of them overextends us. Maybe it wouldn't be a problem if we closed a few hundred of our 600+ overseas bases.

Why do we pay $400,000,000,000 in taxes for our military? 3 times what all our potential enemies combined spend? Oops now it's $500,000,000,000. Wonder how much of that is actually defending us?

But hey, if we didn't spend $500 Billion a year, then we would have to send five times as many soldiers and have 50X the death toll as opposed to the risk-less, remote-control cruise missiles we pay $600,000 each for. That kind of overt death toll would be unconscionable to americans, but we can get them to pay $2,000 a year for every man and child. It's just 100 hours a year, times 250 million = 40,000 lifetimes - per year - spent slaving to pay for the military - a much more acceptable covert death toll. Well ok we could just stop making wars and violence, but that would cost us a lot more than $2,000 each.

So we all have substantial investments in greed, violence, weapons of mass destruction and so on. Just as the land we live on was bought by the genocide of 20,000,000+ native americans, and the global dominance we enjoy is at the cost of starting and prolonging hundreds of wars and dictatorships. And a few hundred thousand more totalitarian regimes we call corporations.

And why shouldn't a CEO make 1,000 X what his workers make? Its only a half what we pay the lobbyists, a quarter of what the bosses used to make before they all merged into one corporation. Only a 10th what we pay the liars, er psychosocial consumption inducers, er marketers. Only 5 percent of whats being paid to the stockholders and most of those just read a few pages of research, picked the best profit projection and clicked a few buttons.

Ooh Yuck! did I say that? sorry please flame and pick apart so I can stop believing it's true

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