what's this BS about wooing NASCAR dads? why not KKK dads?

[buycitgo]

how did they get this one started?

I know NASCAR is extremely popular, pulling huge TV ratings (perfect fare for mouthbreathers too idiotic to follow anything more complicated than a bunch of cars going around in a circle)

BUT, since when are any of those goons considered likely to vote anything other than straight fascist?

are there numbers to support this, or is this just another salvo in the culture wars being waged on us, with the leading edge being the fear of forced-gay marriage

or what?

the Chicago Tribune just ran an article in the sports pages about the FURY caused by NASCAR fans over the sponsoring of a car by Toyota, or some other Japanese manufacture, delneating the extremely RACIST response.

surprised?

that's one reason I'm not buying this crap

this would be funny if it weren't so despicably revealing:

DAYTONA BEACH, Fla. -- The idiocy came from Jimmy Spencer's lips a few weeks ago in Texas when the driver was asked about NASCAR opening its doors for the first time to a foreign-headquartered manufacturer and allowing Toyota to compete in the Craftsman Truck Series. Dumbly, Spencer responded to reporters that the Japanese "bombed Pearl Harbor, don't forget.

....."One of most disappointing things is the number of negative e-mails I've gotten from people who can't believe I'm working on a `foreign' car," said renowned NASCAR crew chief Larry McReynolds, who's in charge of Toyota's top truck team. "I guarantee you the same fans booing Toyota at the track will go home and turn on their Mitsubishi TV sets."

Mike Skinner, a Toyota truck driver, added: "There are a lot of idiots raising Cain out there . . . . Some of these people need to get a life."

Actually, they need to get a clue. You say "Camry driver," and these dopes hear "kamikaze pilot."

"I can't tell you how many times I've been called a traitor," said Travis Kvapil, the defending Craftsman champion who'll be driving one of the seven Toyota Tundras on the truck circuit.

Do these people realize Toyota is responsible for about 175,000 jobs in the U.S. and has made more than 10 million cars in its nine manufacturing plants in North America?

In fact, an argument could be made that Toyota is just as American as Dodge, the company Spencer drove for last season. Dodge is owned by Chrysler, which recently merged with Daimler, a German automaker. That company's international headquarters is in Stuttgart, Germany.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/printedition/chi-0402120430feb12,1,2048863.story

this article so well sums up what's repellent about the pugparty, and its troglodytic supporters.

there's NO way in the world any of this sort is voting dem.

what's that, you say? what about the urban, northern NASCAR fan?

think there aren't a bunch of racist idiots up here? think again.

nobody who is STUPID enough to be hypnotized by such mind-numbing drivel is going to get past the infantile, selfish, fearmongering message that permeates the fascist campaign.

and, if there are any NASCAR fans here, it's not too late to wise up and get a life.

[_Jumper_]

1. I am a NASCAR fan

I am also not white. I am also not a Southerner. Don't lump us all into one group.

That said, "NASCAR dad" is a PC term for "redneck". "NASCAR Democrats" are basically "Reagan Democrats" that left us due to social issues.

With respect to NASCAR and Toyota, Toyota is entering NASCAR as car manufacturer. Germany entered a few years ago and was largely welcomed. Toyota is facing stiff opposition from fans. Sadly, it is clear why there is a double standard: racism.

[PVnRT]

2. Of course, all NASCAR fans are racist assholes

Including me, apparently... :eyes:

It's exactly this kind of attitude that people point to when they talk about "liberal elitists," but don't let that stop you from ranting about how incredibly stupid people are whom you've never met and only know about anecdotally.

I don't know what this Trib article you're talking about is, since I can't seem to find it, and you refuse to link to it or quote it, but you seem awfully quick to start throwing around "RACIST." How about some context?

Now, I must get back to mouthbreathing, woman-beating, and racism. Excuse me.

ON EDIT: Here is your article: Toyota Makes NASCAR Debut in Truck Race

Let's look at some of the quotes from the article:

"It's immensely different," said Terry Cook, who claimed the pole for Friday's race in a Ford. "Instead of having quantity in the truck series, we now have quality in the truck series. You look around the garage and this is the best looking field of trucks that I've seen for Daytona or for any NASCAR Craftsman Truck race."

Yeah, how racist.

"Toyota is coming, and it's good for everybody," said former Winston Cup champion Darrell Waltrip, who owns a NASCAR truck team that races a Toyota. "How can somebody come into your sport and improve your sport and it not be good for everybody?"

Man, it's so thick you can cut it with a knife!

This must be the passage you're referring to:

Not everyone was excited about Toyota's jump into NASCAR.

Earlier this month during a media day at Texas Motor Speedway, Spencer said he was rooting for Ford, Chevrolet and Dodge to humiliate the Japanese automaker.

They "bombed Pearl Harbor, don't forget," the outspoken 46-year-old Nextel Cup driver said. "As long as it's good for the economy, I guess it's OK."

NASCAR and other drivers dismissed Spencer's comments.

"Consider the source," Waltrip said Thursday.

Yeah, I guess the article "delneates" the inherent racism right there, you got that right :eyes:

ON EDIT 2: Or maybe it's this one about Spencer's comments: Xenophobia Spells Trouble

It seems that while there are plenty of idiot fans bemoaning this, most of the participants in the sport itself have no problem with it. Take this quote:

"One of most disappointing things is the number of negative e-mails I've gotten from people who can't believe I'm working on a `foreign' car," said renowned NASCAR crew chief Larry McReynolds, who's in charge of Toyota's top truck team. "I guarantee you the same fans booing Toyota at the track will go home and turn on their Mitsubishi TV sets."

Mike Skinner, a Toyota truck driver, added: "There are a lot of idiots raising Cain out there . . . . Some of these people need to get a life."

You can look at any sport and find idiot bigots in the seats or watching it on TV - are you going to go after them too?

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[PVnRT]

13. Oh, I'M ignorant now

Riiiiight, whatever. I'm not the one with the snotty fucking attitude, am I?

Does it occur to you that these people lose their jobs too, lose their health coverage, get screwed over by the same corporations, lose their kids in war without a legitimate reason? Has it occurred to you that the reason these people think they way they do is because the only people trying to get their votes are the ones who believe that way?

But, of course, it's easier for progressives to just preach to the choir and sneer at everyone who doesn't just come running along, isn't it?

[buycitgo]

22. that's right

how do you think dumbo got all those votes in the south the first time?

it's called voting against one's own interests, despite the factual evidence to the contrary.

ever heard of Ellul?

he spells it out pretty concisely

that's why these people aren't going to go against the monkey

got any stats about NASCAR fans in swing states?

I'll be happy to be proven wrong, if there's a chance to convert, but, again, I don't think these people are so malleable

as for preaching to the choir, the point with THAT is to get the vote out amongst groups that DON't vote, like single, unregistered females.

oh, wise one, got any idea how many of those there are?

resources would be much more wisely spent on them than on people with the attention spans of, oh, say, George Bush

keep on defending Car Race fans, though.....too funny

[librechik]

11. Exactly--Bush constantly uses catch phrases which have secret meanings

And everytime he say "NASCAR Dads" the base knows he means "them:" Shrubbie's bigoted shitkicking hypocritical faith-professing Confederate cult followers.

[buycitgo]

12. your next silly quote

"You can look at any sport and find idiot bigots in the seats or watching it on TV - are you going to go after them too?"

going after all those racist NBA fans next

puhhhhhlease....where are the gigantic raceways?

how do those states vote?

and, please, like I said, if your idea of entertainment is sitting around, watching machines go round in circles, be my guest

christ

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[Bridget Burke]

17. According to his profile.....

His hobby is "sighing".

[buycitgo]

26. that's right.....sighing at people who don't have a clue

problem with that?

AFA sports radio, that's what I'm listening to right now, and the most popular sports guy in Chicago is a FLAMING racist.

and whenever they discuss car racing, which is occasionally, the callers are UNIFORMLY wingnuts

[buycitgo]

27. that's right.....sighing at people who don't have a clue

problem with that?

AFA sports radio, that's what I'm listening to right now, and the most popular sports guy in Chicago is a FLAMING racist.

and whenever they discuss car racing, which is occasionally, the callers are UNIFORMLY wingnuts

[mouse7]

23. No, but owners of NASCAR are.

Go do some research on the problems African-Americans have had with the ownership of NASCAR sandbagging the racing teams of African-American drivers.

[liberal72]

3. Also. . . . .

while I have not gone to an NASCAR event, and I live in AL so it is very popular, I have always heard that stuff such as women flashing and alcohol being given to minors by fans frequently occurs.

[DarkPhenyx]

16. And at football events...

...and Soccer matches, and rock concerts, and...

c'mon people, let's be intelligent and thinking for a change. Keep perpetuating these attiudes and you will perpetuate another Bush White House. Not taht the "NASCAR Demosrats" will vote for Bush necessarily, but they will more likely simply stay home since they don't have anyone to vote for.

[Caution]

4. sheesh

I'm not a NASCAR fan but my god...look up the word prejudice in the dictionary.

[buycitgo]

6. hahahaha

see my edited post to reflect what these first answers are

what else do you enjoy?

watching paint dry?

[library_max]

5. WTF?

Why would we want to reject a significant portion of the electorate out of hand based on a stereotype? NASCAR fans obviously represent a broad spectrum of Americans.

Some, for example, are blue-collar workers with no education beyond high school. Those people often have trouble supporting Democrats because they think of us as intellectual snobs, but they are being screwed by the Bush administration! ("Overseas outsourcing is good for America"). We need to find a way to appeal to people like that. The basic pitch is the same as to leftists - we can't expect you to agree with us on every issue, but we represent your best possible deal on the issues that matter most to you.

So some NASCAR fans raised a racist stink about the sponsoring of a car by a Japanese company. The loudest people in any group are often the most bigoted and least enlightened. That doesn't mean that they're representative of the majority, much less the entire group. Sneering at them as the moral equivalent of KKKers is symptomatic of the Democratic Party's problem here.

[Township75]

7. This would be great if Kerry or the nominee would just use your words...

great for Bush.

Nothing like someone shrieking about facism and racism while being bigoted and prejudiced.

[DarkPhenyx]

9. You have no clue...

...what a NASCAR dad is do you? Apparently not considering the obvious ignorance displayed in your post. It would be attitudes like yours, and the one displayed in the article you quote, that are causing the Democrats to lose heavily in the South. The South used to be a Democrat stronghold, then they Southern Democrat began to feel less and less in touch with his party. Not because they are racists and pug ignorant as you seem to think but because we started taking them for granted and quit listening to them. Without the South we cannot win the Presidency back. With members of uour party continuing to spout ignorant crap about Southern Democrats we cannot win the South.

[liberal72]

15. Look . . . .

I live in AL, the Heart of Dixie, and the reason the Repubs have a sronghold here is because of the Southern Strategy implemented by Nixon. The Repubs are now going to use homophobia down here to solidify the South for them even more. Also, the reason the South was a Democratic stronghold is because the Dixiecrat Dems of the past supported slavery and segregation. If this is the route Dems have to take today to regain the South, then I don't want the Dems to take back the South.

[PVnRT]

19. So then

we should just let the Republicans determine what our image is? That's great. Maybe we should let them determine our agenda as well.

The core issues that matter, health care, jobs, etc., matter to everyone. The GOP wins because it skirts by those issues with clever catch phrases, while too many Democrats think that we just need to preach to the choir and to hell with anyone who doesn't see the light on their own and come on over.

[Bridget Burke]

10. Please find the link.

However, just because you don't agree with the way somebody spends their leisure time, don't automatically assume you know everything about them.

Since you did not link the story you referred to, let me suggest one reason objections were raised to Toyota sponsorship: Jobs. Actually, many Toyotas are now made in the USA--but some of the NASCAR guys might not realize that. They might be more concerned about losing their jobs than about racism. Bush has recently spoken about how outsourcing will be good for the US economy. Shouldn't this be mentioned by the Democrats?

Lots of Southerners (NASCAR is a code word) have family traditions of military service. What do they think about their sons & daughters being sent overseas to fight for a lie? For a lie cooked up by a spoiled frat-rat AWOL cokehead Yankee?

NASCAR "dads" are also concerned about education & healthcare. Do we have anything to offer them?

I'm not saying to abandon other causes--like freedom of choice, gay marriage, etc. That would be wrong. But the issues that can unite us should be given plenty of air time.

[buycitgo]

20. read the link

think I made it up?

you all can say what you want, live in your dream worlds, BUT the fact remains that the large preponderance of fricking car race fans have a SERIOUS problem, if that's how they spend their recreational time.

and all you have to do is look at the demographics....where are all the big tracks?

how do those states go?

what's the dem strategy? avoid those states, and go for the periphery, if possible.

they know, and they'll abandon the KKK dads pretty quickly when they see how innured to the message of nasty NE liberals these folks are.

if I'm wrong, well, OK, then.

but I know enough racists up here to be as certain that I'm not as you all appear to be of your own prejudices.

just wait and see

[LoRoy]

28. How would you suggest you spend their spare time?

Going to flea markets and antiques stores? Would that elevate them to a higher stature in your eyes? Wait, I know where you're coming from.... Notice the relation between the words "racing" and "racist"! I figured it out!

[Heyo]

21. Im not gonna get into this mess....

But I'm a NASCAR fan, and no offense but comments like this are highly unnecessary.

"(perfect fare for mouthbreathers too idiotic to follow anything more complicated than a bunch of cars going around in a circle)"

And the notion that all NASCAR fans are redneck idiots... so wrong. I know alot of NASCAR fans and alot of the ones I know are liberal, in fact I'm the most conservative of all the ones I know personally.

Honestly if there was no more to it that that, why would it be the most watched sport in the U.S?

(Oh yeah, all Americans are ignorant, that's right I almost forgot)

:eyes:

There's alot more to NASCAR than a bunch of cars going around in a circle. Aren't these the kind of generalization you WOULDN'T want people to make about you?

You really plan on winning an election by saying things like that?

Go #12!!!!!!!

regards all,
-Heyo

[buycitgo]

29. lots more, like waiting for somebody to get smooshed?

hahahaha

this is fun

I

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Machines

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Circles.

It

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loud.

I

am

getting

drunk...I mean sleepy

[cosmicdot]

18. we are concerned about the unemployed Dad

and his family's healthcare and his having a sustainable life and future


our candidate has to have the platform and message that transcends wearing a NASCAR cap ...

[LoRoy]

24. Welcome to the age of enlightenment

Nothing like using crass generalizations and stereotypes to advance a progressive point of view.

[Jesus H. Christ]

25. Let's not all dog pile on buycitgo.

NASCAR has been accused of racism before, have they not? Isn't there a vastly disproportionate number of white drivers, enough to make college football coaching look diverse? Hasn't the whole NASCAR scene become a haven for white racists looking for the Great White Hope?

When Bush takes a lap around the track, isn't he there to pander to the white racist vote?

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