Which one of Nader's proposed policies is the most reprehensible?

[dad]

Which one of Nader's proposed policies is the most reprehensible

Wants to make health care universally available

Wants electoral reform that creates a vibrant, active, participatory Democracy.

Wants a crackdown on corporate crime and abuse

Wants a fair tax where the wealthiest and corporations pay their fair share, tax wealth more than work, and tax activities we dislike more than necessities

Opposes media bias and media concentration

A family farm-consumer agriculture policy

Wants to end poverty in the United States

Wants to create jobs by investing in America's future, invest in Americans

Wants to expand worker's rights by developing an employee bill of rights

Wants fair trade that protects the environment, labor rights and consumer needs

A federal budget that puts human needs before corporate greed and corporate militarism

Corporations should not be given equal rights with humans

Education for everyone

Opposed the invasion and occupation of Iraq

Wants to restore and expand civil liberties and constitutional rights

Supports Equal Rights for Gays and Lesbians

Wants to reform the criminal injustice system

Wants to end the war on drugs

Environment

Wants to create a new energy policy

Toward consumer justice

Toward saving lives by increasing motor vehicle safety

Toward a world of peace, justice, and fulfillment of human possibilities within a sustainable environment

For more details, follow this link:
http://votenader.org/issues/index.php

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

1. Too bad he didn't practice what he preached with his own businesses

Like paying pverty level wages at Public Citizen and resisting his own workers unionizing.

[noiretextatique]

20. ever heard of Mother Jones?

the magazine fought the union tooth and nail :D

*in no way excusing nader...just find that amusingly ironic :D

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

30. oh I agree

and yes..it IS ironic that those who advocate for living wages don't practice what they preach

[noiretextatique]

32. absolutely...one of the reasons

i won't work for non-profits anymore :D

[absyntheNsugar]

37. Interesting Story

My wife used to work for a paid political strategist who worked a lot of Democratic Campaigns. He had actually cut his teeth as a rookie working for Ceasar Chavez and the UFW.

Anyway, paid his workers CRAP. Instead of bonuses, he would buy brand new oriental rugs for his office (a nice swanky craftsman in a nice part of town.) He would shudder at the thought of his workers being unionized.

And then would have the odassity to give motivational speeches to the workers, saying they were fighting for living wages, etc.

[absyntheNsugar]

36. Especially ironic since Mother Jones

was a union leader.

Oh well - at least Michael Moore encouraged his employees to join a union...

[noiretextatique]

42. yes...especially so

and even more ironic that the employees at a magazine named after a labor organizer were forced to form a union :shrug: social justice, indeed.

[Rufus T. Firefly]

2. His propsal to elect Bush in November is most offensive.

And thereby cause the opposite of what he SAYS he believes in to happen. At least Nader's taxes got cut.

[trotsky]

3. Ka-ZAAAAM.

Oh, that was good. Hehe.

[tom_paine]

14. well put and OH SO TRUE!

:toast: :toast:

But seriously, do you think that will sway Nader Republicans?

I'm guessing not.

[Bridget Burke]

4. Wonderful proposals. I agree with most of them.

But a vote for Nader is a vote for Bush.

Sorry, that's reality.

[grytpype]

5. Loves Bush, wants FOUR MORE YEARS

[Deja Q]

33. Well, we're a ways to go in the campaign, but Kerry must like * too

See his TV ad?

It's a fucking morose lethargic FARCE with no conviction or confidence in his voice whatsoever. It's PATHETIC.

If * can run an ad that makes him sound vibrant and confident, despite 120% of the content being a pack of rotten lies, why the hell does Kerry sound like an android whose battery pack had been removed?

You're damn right I'm mad.

I miss Dean, and I hated his stance on NAFTA.

[rucky]

6. We had our chance with Kucinich

not this year.

[rdfi-defi]

10. "we had our chance with kucinich not this year"

not in 08

maybe in 12..........oops repubs win, lefties fault

not in 16

not in 20

so on and so forth

[DBoon]

7. If the Greens want to move ahead with this

(understanding Nader is not "Green"), they should build a grassroots organization, field candidates at the local level, and figure out a way to support left Democrats at the state and national level (rather than splitting the constituency).

[noiretextatique]

22. that's what greens are doing eom

[DBoon]

43. Good

keep it up

[trotsky]

8. Sadly, this is so misinformed.

Virtually everyone at DU embraces most of Nader's policies. Hell, I voted for him - TWICE.

But newsflash: those are some HUGE changes to foist upon an American population that has been dumbed-down by years of corporate media brainwashing. Even if Nader DID get elected, he couldn't pull most of them off, because he'd still have a Congress to deal with.

Elections are won in the middle. I'm sorry, but that's the way it works. Support the Democratic candidate and the Democratic party by influencing the platform and working for candidates who share your views.

Don't give Bush another four years. Please.

[tom_paine]

15. And that's LEON TROTSKY saying that!

Say, Leon, is that an icepick in your head or are you just glad to see me?

:evilgrin:

[trotsky]

19. Hey, I got better!

;-)

[LeahMira]

26. Don't want to.

Don't give Bush another four years. Please.

REALLY don't want to. So will it take another four years to convince the Democrats to get behind candidates like Kucinich, or will they continue to go for "electability" over principle and ideals?

So many here claim that they want the same things that Nader wants for the nation, but they won't vote for Nader. OK, then how about pushing Kerry to start acting and sounding Nader-ish or Kucinich-ish?

Someone once said that voting "only encourages them." If Democrats don't want slightly-to-the-right-of-center types in charge, isn't voting for them only encouraging them?

With the Chimp looking worse and worse as the 9/11 inquiry continues, one can only ask, "If not now, when?"

[trotsky]

28. I don't feel like punishing Democrats and all Americans...

because they don't see things like I do.

[dad]

44. -

"Elections are won in the middle."

I hear this all the time. Exactly how is GW Bush in the middle?

[sadiesworld]

9. Isn't it time for DU to nix the Nader propaganda?

[rdfi-defi]

12. isn't it time for the dem party to stop being so defensive?

isn't it time to let people who vote on the issues, vote how they want?

isn't time for the dem party to barrow some spine from mr. kucinich (he seems to have back bone to spare)?

[tom_paine]

17. Oh, you have the right to vote as you please

And I have an equal right to criticize Nader Republicans for behaving like 1930s German Communists.

We all know how their "principled resistance" to Hitler worked out...

[rdfi-defi]

35. hey you only answered .....1 of my questions

and just for the record i will not be voting for nader in 04

edit: and if you are looking for me to say bush and hitler are not compareable, you got the wrong person

[tom_paine]

40. Yes to the other two questions

:evilgrin:

Although if you look, at least it appears as if the Dems' backbone is stiffening.

[sadiesworld]

27. There is no greater priority than ousting the disaster monkey.

Nader leeches Kerry votes, thereby making this more difficult.
Which part of this are you having trouble with?

[absyntheNsugar]

21. Hey you got my vote on that!

Just like we don't allow Bush Propaganda...

Kick the NaderTraitors out on their trust-fund arses!

[gone fishing]

25. i'm going to spend

a little bit of that trust fund getting nader on the ballot in my state
this weekend

[absyntheNsugar]

38. And I'll be signing

Names like "Chuck U. Farley" on the ballots to disqualify them

[absyntheNsugar]

11. OK...Point by point

Wants to make health care universally available

How? Which method? Kerry wants this as well. Does Nader want Single Payer? How is he going to pay for it? Will this further bankrupt Medicare?

Wants electoral reform that creates a vibrant, active, participatory Democracy.

Yes, we all want that. Again, how? Kerry wants this. McCain wants this. Shit, even David Duke says he wants this.

Wants a crackdown on corporate crime and abuse

Again, so does Kerry.

Wants a fair tax where the wealthiest and corporations pay their fair share, tax wealth more than work, and tax activities we dislike more than necessities

Kerry wants this as well, and wants to stop the offshore tax havens. He also doesn't want to tax businesses into oblivion (which is what Nader wants)

Opposes media bias and media concentration

Again, so does Kerry.

A family farm-consumer agriculture policy

Are well all going to be emptied out of the cities onto the farms? If we're talking more subsidies, Kerry beat him to it. If we're talking going back to an agrarian society, Cendero Luminoso might be a good party name for Nader...

Wants to end poverty in the United States

War on Poverty! War on Terror! War on the letter 'M'! All we can hope to do is alleviate it. This is a whole post on its own, but short of redistribution of wealth, this ain't gonna happen. And redistribution is a BAD idea. It causes civil wars, famine, death camps, etc. Just look to Zimbabwe. They're practicing "redistribution."

Wants to create jobs by investing in America's future, invest in Americans

Another empty promise - I think every politician has this line in their platform.

Wants to expand worker's rights by developing an employee bill of rights

Again, Kerry also has this.

Wants fair trade that protects the environment, labor rights and consumer needs

Unlike Nader, Kerry has actually done something to protect the environment, labor rights and consumer needs. No, the Corvair was never a dangerous car, just a company with deep pockets and a chink in their armour.

A federal budget that puts human needs before corporate greed and corporate militarism

Kerry wants this too.

Corporations should not be given equal rights with humans

Finally something I agree with. However, with a Repub congress, this is not going to happen.

Education for everyone

Again, Kerry beat him to this.

Opposed the invasion and occupation of Iraq.

Kerry does now, and didn't at the time because of faulty intelligence.

Wants to restore and expand civil liberties and constitutional rights

So does Kerry

Supports Equal Rights for Gays and Lesbians

So does Kerry

Wants to reform the criminal injustice system

So does Kerry - and he actually did something about it, unlike Nader

Wants to end the war on drugs

So does Kerry - read between the lines

Wants to create a new energy policy

I've got this on cut and paste now, So does Kerry

Toward consumer justice

Please define consumer justice...

Toward saving lives by increasing motor vehicle safety

Great! More frivilous lawsuits!

Toward a world of peace, justice, and fulfillment of human possibilities within a sustainable environment

Cut and paste agaain - - So does Kerry


If you want to see this platform actually happen, rather than sit and whine about it, Vote Kerry!

http://www.johnkerry.com/

P.S. I don't see Nader saying anything about Jobs or the economy....

[gone fishing]

18. kerry has been around for over 18 years

and he's done squat give some one else a chance

[absyntheNsugar]

23. BS....

Kerry has one of the most impressive records in the Senate.

24 posts - are you a lurking Freeper staring shit?

[gone fishing]

29. a guess its time for you to get out of the kitchen

your the only one counting post

[sadiesworld]

31. What is a "Freeper staring shit" ?

:7

[gone fishing]

39. it's an accusations that is used when you can't argue

the facts

[trotsky]

24. Well written.

n/t

[Skidmore]

13. I posted a reply to this thread that appears in "My Posts"

but does not appear on the thread now. What happened?

[meti57b]

16. nader's most reprehensible policy is .... throwing the election to bush.

[Mattforclark]

34. Probably "A family farm-consumer agriculture policy"

Though I can't be sure, because there isn't enough information.

If he supports plain handouts of CASH to farmers instead of subsidizing the growing of crops (green subsidies), then it might not be so bad.

[mmonk]

41. The proposal that he run for president this year

[freeforall]

45. I wish liberal / democratic parties everywhere

would adopt these policies - in their own countries, of course.

Nothing on this list that I have a problem with!