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9215 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 06:29 PM
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BLAM!! Boxcutters used in Army training for hijacking!!
Edited on Fri Mar-26-04 06:45 PM by 9215
Army training for dealing with hijacked planes flying into buildings and 'box cutters' used to get past metal detectors at airports. this training occured 25 years ago. they used "box cutters" :

http://cryptome.org/mil-911-study.htm


Dear Sir:
You attended my office on 27 June 02 and were identified as Timothy Stuart McNiven, Date of Birth 1 Nov 53, Social Security Number *****. The purpose of the visit was for you to take a polygraph examination in order to support the fact that you were a member of a group assembled as part of the C Battery, 2/81st Field Artillery US Army stationed on Strassburg Kaserine, Idar Oberstein, West Germany for the purpose of developing defensive strategies against attacks by hijacked aircraft. The discussions covered the possibility of aircraft being taken over by dissidents and used to attack important buildings in the United States of America.
You signed an agreement to undergo the polygraph examination. A copy of the agreement is attached.
After discussion it was agreed that the following were to be relevant questions.
1. Regarding the study that took place when you were a member of C Battery 2/81st FA in Idar Oberstein, West Germany in the 1970's. Do you intend to answer truthfully each question?
A. Yes
2. Did that study take place?
A. Yes.
3. Did you discuss aircraft hijacking?
A. Yes.
4. Did you discuss the possibility of hijacked aircraft destroying buildings?
A. Yes.
T.S. McNiven. 27 Jun 02 Page. 2.
Three charts were produced in respect to the above questions and other questions relevant to the technique. Your physiological responses recorded on the charts to Questions 1, 2, 3 and 4 were those expected from someone who was not attempting to deceive the examiner. I believe you were being truthful when you answered the questions as shown.
The polygraph charts are on file at my office and available for review by any competent authority.
_____
Information Poygraph Exam Based On
Briefly 25 years ago I was stationed on Strassberg Keserne in Idar Oberstein, Rhienland Pfatz, W. Germany assigned to C Battery, 2/81st FA, US Army. Here I took part in a Military Group for the purpose of "defending against" a developed attack scenario of hijacking airliners and crashing them into buildings to get around our air defence system.
For this letter I have selected facts from the records for the purpose of confirming that the records exist, they are in no sequence or order but they will suffice for the purpose of identifing the existence of these 25 year old records. These facts are from group conversations following the creation of the concept of hijacking airliners.
When asked the question, what kind of plane would be best to hijack? My choice was Boeing because it had the one lock/one key fleet; information I acquired from living in Everett, WA and having brothers who worked there. Lt. Teague on another day asked what could be done about it (?) I suggested asking Boeing to change their lock system.
When asked what kind of weapons could be used (?) I said a plastic handled box knife to get it through a metal detector; then Sgt Middleton said that you could get weapons on a plane through the luggage area (he knew someone who worked on a ground crew at an airport) he was then questioned separate like others whose ideas the groups leaders wanted more information on.
When asked what type of political climate the country would be in when the attack happens(?) we came up with hamstringing ; that is when one political party sets up the incoming administration with a disaster to happen.
When asked who might do this (?) another member said a name which I made an agreement to allow him to say in public first; but I can say that it was not George Bush neither President Bush who was President on Nov. 9, 1989 or George Bush who is President now.
4. One of the people from the group had done calculations and had came up with a time frame for a 100 story building to collapse after being hit by an airliner, it was between 1 and 2 hours the exact minutes I can't remember. Later when he was questioned by Military higher ups about a building's engineers disputing his calculations; he said, that unlike him they had to say that to keep their job.
5. The Military's calculations were what the warnings to NYC were based on.
One person from the group said that the US Government should contact NYC and have it tell the firefighters and police officers to not try and go up 80 floors in a building to try and put out the fire because the building would collapse before they could get there.
The records also include a person from the group who considered himself a religious person being a Priest in his Religion; made an International plea begging the US Government to tell New York City to not send those people to their unnecessary death.
When asked what an International plea of begging was (?) he explained that religious people can not twist anyone's arm to do anything, all they can do is beg a government to intercede and prevent a calamity.
_____
Personal Account and Invitation
Since September 2001 I have been trying to get the information on this 25+ year old US Military Study Group into the public's knowledge but have only met with censorship from the US media.
The security lapses that were used on 9/11 reads like a checklist from this Military Study: the Democratic and Republican Political Parties could have began implementing the security upgrades that were recogmended by their own Congressional Commissioned Study in response to the hijacking and bombings following the 1974 <1973> Eygptian Israeli War, 25 years ago.
Mr. Weller is a US Army-trained and -certified Military Polygraph Examiner and the exam I was given is the same one used by the US Government.
And the one American who has the backbone to accept my 1 year challenge to set up a polygraph with the examiner of their choice is Mr. Ted Nugent. I am going to his Tacoma,WA concert Aug. 29th and confront him with this information and the challenge to set up for me to take in New York City another polygraph exam with representatives of the NYC Fire Department, Police Department and surviving family members of those who died on 9/11 so that they will know beyond a shadow of a doubt that this US Congressional Commissioned Military Study Group took place and that the security upgrades that the Democratic and Republican Political Parties say they developed after 9/11 were actually developed 25 years ago.
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orwell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 06:31 PM
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1. IT Can't Happen Here
Can't happen here. Condi told us so.

And she wouldn't lie... :tinfoilhat:

O
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Richardo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 06:32 PM
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2. I'd redact that SSN...
...could cause someone big trouble.
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9215 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 06:47 PM
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3. My other topic on this was pulled, but
the guy has all the particulars posted at the link I provide, so what harm could it do??

He really wants to get this info out.
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RedSock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 07:01 PM
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4. 7 of the hijackers
7 of the hijackers trained at secure US military bases.

hmm..........
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9215 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-04 11:20 AM
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8. that is curious
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 07:04 PM
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5. So....which President did he think was capable of this?
"When asked what type of political climate the country would be in when the attack happens(?) we came up with hamstringing ; that is when one political party sets up the incoming administration with a disaster to happen."

"When asked who might do this (?) another member said a name which I made an agreement to allow him to say in public first; but I can say that it was not George Bush neither President Bush who was President on Nov. 9, 1989 or George Bush who is President now."

Now, if this briefing/training took place 25 years ago (1979, maybe 1977 since there are 2002 dates given), why would he even mention the two Bushes?

They weren't even President back then.

Or is this another Clenis-hater?
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9215 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-04 11:25 AM
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9. Good catch. I wondered about this
when I first read it. Bush was head of CIA at about the time this training purportedly took place. But this does need clarification for sure.
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-04 11:30 AM
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10. Well, he DOES mention "Bush who was President on Nov. 9, 1989"
Which means (I guess) that he gives credit to Bush for the fall of the Berlin Wall (hey, I SAID I was guessing!).

But even in 1989, who could have imagined that Bill Clinton would be President one day?

I dunno...it seems like the training/scenario might very well have taken place, but it seems the soldier is using his info and (presumable) noteriety to further some other stuff.
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Unknown Known Donating Member (829 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 07:05 PM
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6. Keane & Hamilton on "NightLine"
both said that boxcutters were NOT used on the 9/11 hijackings; they used knives. Keane said this was information he did not know before he became chairman.

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9215 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-04 12:15 AM
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7. kick
:kick:
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