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The Land of the Free Donating Member (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-04 05:59 PM
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Who is Bob Kerrey? Does he even know?
I can't believe this guy. He's suppossed to be one of our own and he gets up there, chastises KindaSleaza about the Cole Bombing and look what his repsonse after the Cole was. Bomb Iraq for the Cole. WTF is he all about and how can he be so hypocritical on National Television. He Sounds like fucking George Bush

IRAQ

Mr. KERREY. Mr. President, at Pier 12 in the Norfolk Navy Base, along with the Presiding Officer in Norfolk, VA, I joined 10,000 others to mourn and to pay our respects to the families of 17 U.S. Navy sailors who were killed or who are missing following the explosion that ripped into the portside of U.S.S. Cole as she was preparing to set anchor in the Yemen Port of Aden.

It was one week ago today at fifteen past midnight that a routine port call became a violent killing of 17 Americans, the wounding of 34 more, and the disabling of a billion dollar destroyer.

In attendance at the ceremony to honor those lost on the Cole were many Members of Congress, Attorney General Janet Reno, National Security Adviser Sandy Berger, the Secretaries of Defense and the Navy, and the uniformed commanders of the Navy and the Marine Corps. In a gesture of Yemen's cooperation, their Ambassador to the United States, Abdulwahab A. al-Hajjri, was also present.

As I sat and listened to the powerful words of President Clinton, Secretary of Defense Cohen, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs Shelton, and others, I looked at the solemn faces of the Naval officers and enlisted men who stood on the decks of the aircraft carrier U.S.S. Dwight D. Eisenhower and two of the Cole's sister ships, the destroyers Ross and McFaul and wondered how long the unity we felt would last? How long would the moving stories of the lives of these 17 young Americans bind us together?

Their stories define what makes America such a unique place. President Clinton captured it perfectly:


In the names and faces of those we lost and mourn, the world sees our nation's greatest strength. People in uniform rooted in every race, creed and region on the face of the earth, yet bound together by a common commitment to freedom and a common pride in being American.


They were bound together by other common characteristics. Sixteen were enlisted men and women; the lone officer was an ensign who had served more than a decade in the enlisted ranks. None were college graduates, though many saw the Navy as a means to that end. They were from small towns and Navy towns, the places where patriotism burns bright and crowds still form to remember on Memorial Day and Veterans Day.

I watched young widows and brothers and fathers cry without restraint or shame when President Clinton read the rollcall of the fallen heros. Sadness gripped me as once more I thought of lives that ended too soon knowing their dreams would not now come true.

Chief of Naval Operations Admiral Clark appropriately reminded us that risk is a part of all sailors' lives. When going out to sea, there is never certainty of a joyous homecoming. Death is a frequent visitor in Navy households. Loss is never a complete surprise.

However, in this instance it was not the unpredictable ways of the ocean or the violence of a storm that ended these American lives. No, in this instance the killer was a highly sophisticated, high-explosive device set and detonated by as yet unknown villains.

There were words from our leaders that addressed the anger we feel in the aftermath of this tragedy. From President Clinton: ``To those who attacked them we say: you will not find a safe harbor. We will find you, and justice will prevail.'' From Secretary of Defense Cohen: ``This is an act of pure evil.'' And from General Shelton: ``They should never forget that America's memory is long and our reach longer.''

Yet, this desire for vengeance is as misplaced as it is understandable. Vengeance is one of the things a terrorist hopes to provoke. Such acts of vengeance--especially when carried out by the United States of America--are bound to provoke sympathy for our enemies. If we are to give meaning to the sacrifice of these men and women, we must take care not to allow the bitter feelings to govern our action.

While we await the results of a combined U.S.-Yemeni effort to find out who was responsible for this attack, let me challenge the idea that the attack on the Cole was a pure act of terrorism or criminal action. In my opinion it is not. In my opinion, it is a part of a military strategy designed to defeat the United States as we attempt to accomplish a serious and vital mission.

This is the third in a series of violent attacks on the United States dating back to the car bombing of Khobar Towers in Saudi Arabia at 10 pm, on Tuesday, June 25, 1996, that killed 19 United States Air Force Airmen and wounded hundreds more. The second attack occurred on August 7, 1998, when U.S. Embassies in Dar es-Salam, Tanzania, and Nairobi, Kenya were bombed. These attacks wounded more than 5,000 and killed 224, including twelve Americans who were killed in the Nairobi blast.

I believe all three of these incidents should be considered as connected to our containment policy against Saddam Hussein's Iraq. The Cole was heading for the Persian Gulf to enforce an embargo that was authorized by the United Nations Security

Council following the end of the Gulf War in 1991.

In order to evaluate this incident and put it in its larger context, I had to re-learn the details of the action of Gulf War and its aftermath. The Gulf War began on August 8, 1990, when United States aircraft, their pilots, and their crews arrived in Saudi Arabia. Two days earlier the Saudi King Fahd had asked Secretary of Defense Cheney for help. Saudi Arabia was afraid that Iraq's August 2 invasion of Kuwait would continue south. Without our help they could not defend themselves. Desert Shield--a military operation planned to protect Saudi Arabia--began.

At that time, General Norman Schwarzkopf was Commander-in-Chief of Southern Command. On September 8, 1990, he ordered Army planners to begin designing a ground offensive to liberate Kuwait. His instructions from President Bush were to plan for success. We were not going to repeat the mistakes of the Vietnam War. On November 8th, President Bush announced that a decision had been made to double the size of our forces in Saudi Arabia. On November 29, the UN Security Council voted to authorize the use of ``all means necessary'' to drive Iraq from occupied Kuwait. On January 12, 1991, Congress authorized the President to use American forces in the Desert Storm campaign.

GPO's PDF
The campaign began at 2:38 AM on January 17 with Apache helicopters equipped with anti-tank ordnance. The next day Iraq launched Scud missiles against Israel. The first U.S. air attacks, flown out of Turkey, were launched and were continued until February 24 when the ground war began. The ground war was executed with swift precision and was ended at 8 AM on February 28 when a cease fire was declared.

The purpose of the Gulf War--to liberate the people of Kuwait--had been accomplished in an impressive and exhilarating display of U.S. power and ability to assemble an alliance of like-minded nations. Afterwards, Iraq was weakened but still led by Saddam Hussein. In their weakened state, they agreed to allow unprecedented inspections of their country to ensure they did not possess the capability of producing weapons of mass destruction. The United Nations Security Council voted unanimously to impose an economic embargo on Iraq until the inspections verified that Iraq's chemical, biological, and nuclear programs were destroyed.

Contrary to popular belief, the military strategy to deal with Iraq did not end with the February 28, 1991, cease fire. It has continued ever since with considerable cost and risk to U.S. forces. In addition to the embargo, the United States and British pilots have maintained no-fly zones in northern and southern Iraq designed to protect the Kurds and Shia from becoming victims of Saddam Hussein's wrath. The purpose of both the embargo and the no-fly zones is to ``contain'' Iraq so that Saddam Hussein does not become a threat in the region again.

Unfortunately, this containment object was doomed from the beginning. And while we have begun to change our policy from containment to replacement of the dictator, change has been too slow. The slowness and uncertainty of change has increased the risk for every military person who receives orders to carry out some part of the containment mission.

There are three reasons to abandon the containment policy and aggressively pursue the replacement of Saddam Hussein with a democratically elected government. First, it has not worked; Saddam Hussein has violated the spirit and intent of UN Security Council Resolutions. Second, he is a growing threat to our allies in the region. Third, he is a growing threat to the liberty and freedom of 20 million people living in Iraq.

As to the first reason, under the terms of paragraph Eight (8) of United Nations Security Council Resolution 687 which passed on April 3, 1991, Iraq accepted the destruction, removal, or rendering harmless of its chemical, biological, and nuclear weapons program. Under the terms of paragraph Nine (9), Iraq was to submit to the Secretary-General ``within fifteen days of the adoption of the present resolution, a declaration of the locations, amounts and types of all items specified in paragraph 8 and agree to urgent, on-site inspection'' as specified in the resolution.

From the get-go, Saddam Hussein began to violate this resolution. Over the past decade, he has slowly but surely moved to a point where today no weapons inspectors are allowed inside his country. As a consequence, he has been able to re-build much of his previous capability and is once again able to harass his neighbors. All knowledgeable observers view Iraq's threat to the region as becoming larger not smaller.

As to the third reason--his treatment of his own people--there is no worse violator of human rights than Saddam Hussein. The people of Iraq are terrorized almost constantly into compliance with his policies. His jails are among the worst in the world. His appeal for ending sanctions on account of the damage the embargo is doing to his people rings hollow as the food and medicine purchased under the Oil-for-Food Program goes undistributed. Desperately needed supplies sitting in Iraqi warehouses while construction continues on lavish new palaces demonstrates that Saddam Hussein has no real interest in the welfare of his people. Rather, he maintains their misery as means to make political points.

If these reasons do not persuade, consider what happened in the other two cases when the United States was attacked. In 1996 we sent an FBI team to Saudia Arabia to investigate Khobar Towers. The investigation led to improving security on other embassies but no other action was taken. In time we have forgotten Khobar. In 1998 following the attack on our embassies in East Africa we sent Tomahawk missiles to bomb a chemical factory in Khartoum, Sudan, and Osama Bin Laden's training compound in Afghanistan. Neither had the decisive impact we sought and may--in the case of Sudan--have been counterproductive.

For all these reasons, I hope we will direct the anger and desire for vengeance we feel away from Yemen and towards Saddam Hussein. I hope we will begin to plan a military strategy with our allies that will lead to his removal and replacement with a democratically elected government. This would allow us to end our northern and southern no-fly zone operations, remove our forces from Saudi Arabia, and cease the naval patrols of the Persian Gulf. I can think of no more fitting tribute to the 17 sailors lost on-board the Cole than completing our mission and helping the Iraqi people achieve freedom and democracy.

Mr. President, I yield the floor.

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Malva Zebrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-04 06:03 PM
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1. He strikes me as a wannabee who has had his day in the sun
that is all he can claim.

He has not, really contributed anything but has seen to it that his ideas are brought up again , even though it has no meaning at all in this panel
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The Land of the Free Donating Member (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-04 06:04 PM
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2. I seriously hate this guy
for getting up there and acting all righteous about the Cole when he wanted to attack IRAQ!!!!!!!!!!
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Cassandra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-04 06:31 PM
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11. And that's why you've posted this...
on multiple threads? Just to discredit him?
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The Land of the Free Donating Member (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-04 06:53 PM
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18. No
Because I am mad I posted it. We act to lovey dovey on this board and never own up to our own faults. It may just be my pet peev, but I HATE Shit like this. He was probably put on this commission because he could be "gotten" to
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Malva Zebrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 07:31 AM
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26. I think he was chosen exactly because he is recognized as a
bloviator with an oversized ego and a chip on his shoulder and a bone to pick, because no one recognized his genius like analyses. So give him a stage and a captive audience and he will indeed not be able to resist blowing his own horn and at the same time, denigrating Clinton.

I did not like the way he told the families and others in the room to stop clapping. Besides being a unabashed bloviator, he is a control freak it seems.
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-04 06:46 PM
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13. Hey..
it was a rudimentary plan for dealing with the threat of terrorism before a major attack. Flawed as it was, it appears to have been more than this administration, which wants to proclaim their geeat strength in defending our nation, had.
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Carolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-04 07:23 PM
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24. he ran against Clinton
in the primaries in 1992 and always seemed to harbor some resentment about his loss then. He also likes to grandstand.
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Aidoneus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-04 06:12 PM
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3. You can't expect a war criminal like Kerrey to bat for you..
that's just how it goes.
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Pale_Rider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-04 06:13 PM
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4. Do you have a link for the above speech? n/t
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Pale_Rider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-04 06:24 PM
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7. Never mind, I think I found it ...
http://www.freespeech.com/archives/002411.html#more

Say ... isn't freespeech.com a Libertarian web-site?
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The Land of the Free Donating Member (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-04 06:27 PM
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9. Yes
Go to http://thomas.loc.gov/home/r106query.html
Then go to state senator Robert Kerrey and highlight it. In the box above titled word/phrase, type in Yemen.
Click on
DEPARTMENTS OF VETERANS AFFAIRS AND HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT APPROPRIATIONS ACT, 2001--CONFERENCE REPORT -- (Senate - October 19, 2000)
Then link on to
Page: S10753
You can see the whole bastards speech
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-04 06:57 PM
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19. Thanks for the honesty. don't expect a lot of sympathy--we at DU
are kinda pissed at Condi, actually.
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against all enemies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-04 06:16 PM
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5. Kerrey
can still come through by forcing the 9/11 Commission to seek the truth in its report. Remember the truth is on our side. I have faith in him.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-04 06:21 PM
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6. Helll-lo-o?
Who is Bob Kerrey?

Did you notice that Condosleeza could not point to one single thing the appointistration had done to follow up on the Cole?
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The Land of the Free Donating Member (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-04 06:31 PM
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10. We can't have it both ways.
As much as I hate Bush, the Cole happened on "Clinton's Watch" as we like to say 9/11 happened on "Bush's Watch" If we are trying to be consistent, then we must be fair. Fairness is one of our strengths
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guitar man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-04 06:52 PM
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16. The Cole
Came at the very end of Clinton's watch. I don't think we knew who was responsible until after *$hrub took over.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-04 06:58 PM
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20. Dr. Rice said that herself in the testimony.
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The Land of the Free Donating Member (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-04 07:10 PM
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22. Maybe so
But then why did he propose attacking Iraq if we had no idea who did it? This is what pisses me off. He seems like he is merely against Iraq because of Bush
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-04 06:52 PM
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17. Kerrey won the Medal of Honor.
He's one Democrat who the entire nations owes an infinite debt of gratitude, don't you think?

Regarding the bombing of the USS Cole happening on "Clinton's Watch," as you like to say:

Clinton was ready to start a war on Al Quaeda, Osama Binladen and their hosts, the Taliban. As it wasn't until JANUARY 2001 that the CIA confirmed Al Quaeda's involvement in the bombing, Clinton thought it wouldn't be right to dump a war he would've started as a lame duck on the incoming Bush "administration."

Remember Somalia? Poppy left that flaming turd on the White House steps for Clinton. Clinton, unlike Bush or his idiot son, puts the country ahead of himself.

One last thing: Welcome to DU, The Land of the Free! Down with the BFEE!
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The Land of the Free Donating Member (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-04 07:07 PM
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21. People don't get free passes for "past performance"
Personally I think that if Clinton had tried to go to war the country would have said NO, just like most of us want to say NO to Bush, and sadly it is because of political orientation. I never heard that about CLinton almost going to war, but not doing it. Good for him
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Carolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-04 07:21 PM
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23. Yes we can
Dammit!

They BLAME Clinton for the first Trade Center bombing which happened on 2/26/93 (1 month and 5 days after he took office).

They left the ugly mess in Somalia for Clinton and he is BLAMED for that even though the Pentagon was really culpable for giving Clinton bad info and then backstabbing him for their mistake to the GOP (Clarke's book is excellent on this issue).

Clinton could not address the Cole --as he would have liked-- because the CIA and FBI didn't provide actionable intelligence (again Clarke's book is excellent on this). And besides, he didn't want to leave a mess for his successor like Poppy left for him. So that's his 'FAULT' too because the buck stopped with him.

Now they BLAME Clinton for 9/11 which happened 7 months 22 days AFTER he left office.

So shit, in fairness, some of this blame should be spread to BUSH 41 and BUSH 43.

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The Land of the Free Donating Member (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-04 07:27 PM
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25. I agree
Nothing really is one President's fault. Our country is so fucked up that when one party wins, the other one wants to sabotage it. It sucks
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Paradise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-04 06:48 PM
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14. the appointistration? lol
no wonder you're in the 'top 10'! :yourock: i love it!
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-04 06:27 PM
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8. Kerrey was one of the Dems who sounded Hawkish just to avoid being called
soft on defense.
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-04 06:42 PM
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12. He's obviously..
changed his mind since.

Regardless of how he felt then, he didn't pull the trigger, he's not the one consistently making mis-steps and the buck doesn't stop with him.

I think Einstein made a comparison between science and politics, whereby he stated that scientists admit to their miscalculations and go on to revise theories, while politicians are slow to accept anyh error in their ideas and slower to make policy changes. Einstein proposed that many of the world's problems would be solved if politicians took their cue from science.

Kerrey admits he was wrong. When will anyone in this administration do the same?
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The Land of the Free Donating Member (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-04 06:49 PM
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15. It may be true
It just seems like opportunistic political grandstanding and I don't see any evidence he changed his mind
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