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keithyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-04 09:13 AM
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Do we really want a Dem in office in 2004 after the mess Bush has made?
It seems almost like punishment. I wouldn't wish my worse enemy to have to come into office after what Bush has done to America. It will take at least two generations to straighten it out. I would hope that there would be a coup within the Republican party with more seasoned, intelligent young and old taking over the reigns, real patriots who want to re-establish Americas dignity and respect in the world.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-04 09:14 AM
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1. Yes, the Bush regime's mess will have to be cleaned up
But all Kerry would have to do is remind people of that. Bush has claimed he's been cleaning up Clinton's mess long enough.

:headbang:
rocknation
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TheDonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-04 09:17 AM
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2. We can't afford 2 years of this nut
think of the mess he has made in 4 years... think of the mess he would make in 8 years! :(
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-04 09:17 AM
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3. It's our lot in life..
Dems are always called upon to "clean house" after the vandals leave..

FDR did it

Carter tried to, but he was the "test case" for politics of personal destruction 101, and he was derailed by the gasoline crisis/hostage crisis..

Clinton cleaned up after Carrottop/Bush1..

and we will have to do it again.. :(

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bklyncowgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-04 09:25 AM
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4. Somebody's gotta clean up the elephant shit
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grannylib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-04 09:26 AM
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5. Look how fast Clinton turned around the mess left to him by Bush 41
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meg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-04 09:28 AM
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6. You're advocating making things WORSE so that we
might not be embarassed or have to work hard? That doesn't make any sense. Just imagine how bad things would be with a lame-duck Bush in office for four more years?
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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-04 09:30 AM
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7. this was my major concern in 92
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-04 09:31 AM
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8. Stop posting this garbage
Thanks. :hi:
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DinahMoeHum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-04 09:39 AM
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9. Kerry & the Dems better bill * and his Repuke/Neo-con cronies
for the clean-up.

:kick:
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-04 09:43 AM
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10. Sure, we've got at least 4 years to blame Bush. He's taking his
entire 4 years to blame Clinton.
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readmylips Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-04 09:44 AM
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11. Boy, the draft is coming.....
keep on cheering for small man bush, and for more darkness in America and the world.
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LeahMira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-04 09:47 AM
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12. Consider the alternatives...
Do we really want a Dem in office in 2004 after the mess Bush has made?

Another four years of the Chimpy administration... making the mess even worse? Or are you thinking that finally... finally the American people would wake up and realize that the US needs to consider the interests of the rest of the world as well as our own self-interests? Does it have to get that bad?

I also feel sorry for anyone who has the responsibility of cleaning up after the Chimp... chimps are so messy! But while it's not my personal preference, there are some folks who find the challenge energizing and worthwhile. Heaven bless 'em! Maybe those "real patriots" lurking among the Republicans will come out and help with the clean-up. But if they haven't stepped forward yet (and what's stopping them?), I'd hardly feel confident of the courage of their convictions right now.
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dencentral Donating Member (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-04 09:53 AM
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13. I'll Say It Once...
Politics. American Politics. As a Canadian it's none of my business but with the global repercussions Bush has caused, isn't it?

I received Michael Moore's newsletter on the internet last night and just had to cheer him on in the following reply. If you think it may be everyone's business, maybe you can appreciate my reply.

As for the topic in this string, zip on down to the second from last paragraph: now that he's plunged America into this mess, only an honorable exit (read slowly with a commitment to minimize damage to all legitimate parties) will do, whoever is in charge a year from now.

DenCentral
******************************

Begin forwarded message:

From: Dennis Benoit
Date: April 14, 2004 10:09:16 PM EDT
To: mmflint@aol.com
Subject: Fahrenheit 911

Hi Mike,

I'm a longtime fan from Canada. I would be a Democrat if GWB were to invade here. But that's not going to happen, because then you'd just inherit a huge block of Democrats – if Republicans haven't banned elections and crowned an emperor by that point.

The last four years have been the strangest in living memory, the most tense and Orwellian since the Reagan-USSR nuclear faceoff. Here was a president that had a shaky hold on his stolen office until the WTC attack. By then he had already succeeded in alienating the outside world, walking the U.S. away from several multilateral agreements on AIDS, the environment, you know things we all care about.

He snubbed Canada immediately after 9/11 by listing in a speech dozens of countries that came to your aid, but somehow this vindictive, petty White House insisted, they forgot Canada. Canada, where thousands of Americans flying in that morning took refuge until air travel resumed, and where thousands of new friendships among ordinary Americans and Canadians began in tragedy.

The snubs started before we refused to plunge into Bush's quixotic response to terror, Iraq. That earned our now-retired Prime Minister the cancelation ("postponement") of a presidential visit to Ottawa last May.

But hell, Bush is not quixotic, if we were to see the whole story; surely there was some reason for these men to strike off on a 180° course to deal with terrorism ("I saw him run out the front door - I'll go out the back and shoot all the neighbours!").

Bush and his merry band of corporate rapists have simply screwed up. They were too clever by half, attempting to pull off the most brazen daylight robbery of money, power and oil in world history and consigning the Enron scandal to the junior leagues. But I have no doubt they sincerely thought they knew what they were doing.

They thought they could go in and get out before Americans would catch on that the great power of their nation and of the White House had been seriously abused for the sake of corporate and dynastic ambition.

What I don't understand is how the Republicans failed to absorb the lessons of Vietnam and Mogadishu. I guess they thought they had that licked too, embedding journalists to get the Right Light on the news. But "the truth will out": the internet, home video, Rodney King, Michael Moore and other independent new sources have arrived to counter today's right wing corporate media and this is why, as you said in today's Heads Up, it hasn't taken four years this time for America to catch on compared to Vietnam.

But I don't understand why it came to this, why Enron and the stock bust weren't enough to satisfy corporate greed, why your authorities had to plunge us all into World War III to secure this degree of power and oil security. There is something dire these corporate scions aren't telling us, and chilling passages on the future in your latest book I don't enjoy contemplating that probably explain a lot of it.

As I write this, the CBC broadcast is telling how Bush agreed with Sharon in Washington today to supporting against world law permanent Israeli settlements in the Palestinian "disengagement". You will hear from allies tomorrow on this, and from the Arab streets for some time to come. Militants in Iraq today have since already killed off the first of four Italian hostages.

The streets will respond with violence. Your friends will be politely trying to tell you, "George Bush is a cancer. PLEASE dump this cancer with the next election!" Every bad news item out of Iraq is regretfully cause for cheer, that American democracy will ultimately sweep the Bush Star Chamber away – for now.

But for now, America is hip deep in a new Vietnam. Gain world help. Let us all nurture the people of Iraq to claim a democracy, now that the Republicans have opened a literal Pandora's Box of biblical proportions. A new president should stay, now that you're in Iraq, but on the world's terms not Haliburton's.

If you do in fact personally read this, I hope I added to your insights but I won't take any more of your time as I am excited to hear that you are working on your next film, Fahrenheit 911. You haven't projected a date, but I sincerely hope you have it up on screens before the next US election! I know that's very tight but otherwise why bother?

Go Man Go!

"Re-Elect Gore in 2004"
Dennis Benoit
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zanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-04 09:59 AM
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17. dencentral--Thank you
That was a very insightful, articulate post. This one goes on my refrigerator! (Don't knock it; it's the place of honor in my house.)
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-04 01:34 PM
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29. Hi dencentral!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-04 09:54 AM
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14. yes, I want Earth to still exist, I want to breathe, not be blown up
This is survival!
My expectations from kerry are very low - probably we'll still be emroigled in Iraq when he's done. But at least he may repair relations with a few countries, sane a few lands frol oilification, stop the entire treasury from going in Cheney's pockets. We need to at least slow down the fall in the hole of war and thuggery!
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zanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-04 09:54 AM
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15. Remember the Supreme Court?
If we end up with four more years of Bush, we'll have to live with the rulings of these people for the rest of our lives! (I'm still thinking that a couple of them will announce their retirement by the end of the summer and Bush will replace them with some breathtakingly right-wing buddies.)
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Poiuyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-04 10:10 AM
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21. Good point
The real legacy of a president is often who he appoints to the courts
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keithyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-04 06:02 AM
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33. Okay, thanks all...I am convinced!!! I needed that!
Whew!!!
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Zero Gravitas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-04 09:55 AM
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16. err... yes
Sure Bush has royally f**cked things up at home and abroad, but come on! do we really want another four years of Bush's arrogant failure? Four more years of costly unnecessary invasions? Four more years of direct corporate rule? Four more years of fascism?
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sangh0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-04 10:02 AM
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18. flame-bait
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apnu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-04 10:08 AM
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19. there's a price tag w/ Bush that extends beyond Iraq
Four more years of Bush will see an extension (or permanent extension) of the Patriot Act. We will see complete dissolution of environmental policy. We will see blatant robbery of the Federal Treasury (he won't have to worry about re-election) We will see more reversal of Roe v Wade. We well see continued bankruptcy for our public schools. Sex Education will be dissolved. And greater taxes for the lower and middle classes, and breaks for the people who can afford to pay taxes. We'll have a foreign policy that's offensive to each and every person on the planet, and our international business interests will go down the toilet save for a few who make warlike equipment.

We need to "change horses in mid stream" because of these issues. Bush is not doing a good job in Iraq anyway... so why not try a new approach?

I don't understand this idea that if something is not working in conflict we must stay the course because changing plans is bad on the battlefield. That's just not true, changing plans on the battlefield is one of the best tactics in combat -- it keeps your enemy guessing. And besides if the axiom "if it ain't broke don't fix it" is a clue to anything it tells us that "if it is broke fix it".
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-04 10:09 AM
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20. Yes.
It will be a hell of a mess. But I don't want to wait for "good" Republicans to rescue us.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-04 10:21 AM
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22. I understand what you are saying
as usual the Dem has to do the cleanup work. But with people being killed every day, we don't have a choice but to support a change of regime in America.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-04 10:23 AM
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23. the US, the world and our children needs a DEM in office
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Digit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-04 10:43 AM
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26. I don't want to see a draft
...and if * is re-selected, there WILL be a draft.
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Kazak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-04 10:30 AM
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24. Yes...
without a doubt.
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-04 10:42 AM
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25. That's kinda like the doctor asking if you want a tourniquet on your
severed arm while he removes your hangnail.

WE'VE GOT TO STOP THE FUCKING BLEEDING!!!! If the doctor doesn't stop the bleeding from the severed arm, you're going to die, but your hangnail will be fine.
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-04 11:48 AM
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27. Do we ever want another republican in ANY office again after
the mess Bu$h has made?

"I would hope that there would be a coup within the Republican party with more seasoned, intelligent young and old taking over the reigns, real patriots who want to re-establish Americas dignity and respect in the world."

This will happen when pigs sprout wings and fly. In general, people become republicans in the first place because they lack awareness and perception. Look at the mindless support most republicans have given Bu$h. Despite massive evidence that Bu$h and his administration are totally corrupt and are rapidly destroying the US, they still support him. They are living in lala land and are either evil or they just don't get it.

Most republicans are like the "Good Germans" that supported Hitler and the nazis in the 1930's. When these "Good Germans" were questioned about why they supported the nazi's after WWII, they replied,---"Because we didn't know".

Republicans cannot be trusted. The bad republicans lead and the clueless republicans blindly follow.
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babzilla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-04 12:10 PM
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28. who are these "real patriot" republicans that you speak of?
Who in the republican party do you imagine taking part in this coup to re-establish America's dignity and respect?

Funny that Bush's 2000 election theme was to restore dignity to the WH. Talk about punishment.
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rbnyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-04 01:37 PM
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30. Well, it will be even worse after 8 years...
...should we just give up?
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babzilla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-04 01:48 PM
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31. So far 30 DU'ers vote for a dem in the WH
1 DU'er for a republican intra-party coup. Does that answer your question?

Can you give us an idea of who those seasoned, intelligent, respectful, dignified Republicans you refer to are?
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keithyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-04 06:11 AM
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34. Well, i can't really think of any right now. Maybe they are being born
as we type.
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Mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-04 02:05 PM
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32. Of course not, let Bush make the mess worse! (not)
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