Interesting HONEST Letter From GI On Freeperville....

[K8-EEE]

And it seems like even some of THEM are finally GETTING IT!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1118734/posts?q=1&&page=1

I correspond very casually with a few troops in Iraq -- I just send them magazines and stuff and they send thank you notes and chat when they can, and this letter is similar in tone to comments from those guys, although I don't talk "politics" with them, I'm trying to cheer them up!

You have the feeling they are really toning it down, they are not supposed to criticize which I can understand, at the same time, they are doing their best but sadly pessemistic about the "mission."

[Bread and Circus]

1. Very interesting....excerpt of soldier's words

"Long term prospects - I have to admit that after one year here I am largely pessimistic. Iraqi society is sick in many ways. Sometimes it's hard to tell if Saddam was the problem or the symptom. I just don't know how a society so divided along ethnic and tribal lines, with no democratic or liberal traditions and almost zero respect for the rule of law can build any kind of society accept and autocratic one. I'm not ashamed that the US came here with good intentions and noble sentiments about the universality of our values - democracy, liberty, the rule of law etc., but I think all our efforts might be eventually futile. In essence, we have given the Iraqis an enormous gift, but they don't seem to be seizing the opportunity. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink..."

[ComerPerro]

2. Oh, if only the US had actually come with good intentions

Maybe the soldiers did, but the people planning the invasion certainly didn't have good intentions.

[K8-EEE]

6. Isn't This What Us "Appeasers" Always Said??

That to say the whole problem was Saddam and that we could fix it by invading and taking out Saddam was NOT GOING TO WORK? That it was a little more complex than that??

A lot of the freepers went from waiting for them to throw flowers to now "wanting to turn Iraq into a parking lot." So much for liberation.

btw I HATE they new GOP buzz term "appeasement." It's like they insist on taking the word "peace" and bastardizing it into this fake "bad liberal" terminology.

[wtmusic]

9. Apparently Iraqis didn't want our 'gift' of liberty

and so now maybe we can 'make them want it'.

Simple, small, naive, controlling, dishonorable...what other words come to mind?

:eyes:

[phoebe]

14. I take issue with the "I just don't know...autocratic one."

Iraq was factionalized by the tenets of British colonialism. Don't give me that old "they need help" BS. Iraq was "The Cradle of Civilization" - ie THEY were OUR teachers on many of the subtleties of Civilization!

Give me a freakin' break..

on edit for spelling - mad makes me twitchy ;-)

[wtmusic]

3. "You can lead a horse to water"

What a pathetic analogy. "Why don't the Iraqis get it? Why don't they want to give up their independence and sacrifice their lives so their society can be JUST LIKE OURS?"

The idiocy of these people is astounding.

[K8-EEE]

8. Well....In His Defense

Look I don't buy AT ALL that the intentions of the people who started this war had anything to do with "the Iraqi people," their intentions were evil.

But some of the guys on the ground really DID buy it, remember, the average age of the troops is what, 20? And they are educated by the US Army? So I cut them a lot of slack when they say stuff like that.

I have to tell you that I am heartsick with some of the requests I am getting. It's gone from wanting Sports Illustrated to wanting food. It seems like the supply lines are seriously fucked up and they are asking for stuff with protein in it -- tuna and jerky and stuff. These are GWBs victims...I'm sure another reason they aren't letting them come home is because they don't want them opening their mouth about the glorious "freedom war" before the election.

[wtmusic]

11. You're right

It's the party line. But it just illustrates how culturally naive we are in this country. 'If it's American, it must be great, it must be right.' It's a massive brainwash.

[Loonman]

4. I love how Clinton is a liar about everything except WMDs

Stupid freepers.

A few of the posts were good, though.

[LynzM]

5. Did you read some of the replies?

Are they being serious, or sarcastic? 'Cause there's a lot more anti-Bush talk going on there than I would have figured on seeing. Wow.

[RobertSeattle]

10. Clinton "Incompetent"? (In several of the replies)

I can grant Freepers some of criticisms about Clinton - but "incompetent" is certainly not one of them. They guy loved being President. Bush IS incompetent.

[bunk76]

7. I love...

the analogy put forth by APFel.."the weather forcaster predicted rain last night,but I didn't see a drop."Hey cement head,if your trolling today,when weather men lie perhaps your grass dies,when neo-cons lie
people die.Get a clue ya friggin knuckle dragger.

[Mountainman]

12. I see a lot of the tone is that Bush was ill served

They still don't blame Bush for anything. If it isn't Clinton's fault then it is the fault of Bush's advisers. Remember when it didn't matter that Bush wasn't the brightest bulb on the tree, he will have good advisers. Now it seems those advisers were not so good. Freepers will never take responsibility just like their idol takes no responsibility.

[Touchdown]

13. Notice the reasonable ones either lived in Canaeda or the UK?

Just a little interesting tidbit, that might have something to do with the quality of news their getting.

[AussieInCA]

15. that site is an example of what rush/hannity/bushco creates and feeds

they just build layer upon layer of misinformation till they believe the truths they want to rationalize.

What a sad lot...this thread..attack a soldier for reporting what the press is not allowed too (due to state control), and telling people to revoke their citizenship for having a different opinion.

Justifying imperialism and war-crimes of leveling civilian cities...

What does that sound like?

[ursacorwin]

16. I totally agree that disinfo and freeper go together

this is a pretty literate letter, and has lots of little talking points...it helps assuage the mind of the "moderate" freeper that the towel heads are "sick" in their society. i never go there myself, but i'm sure it's just showing us once again how confused and hypocritical the freepers are...

[cheezus]

17. "This is Islam's fault" - read on, it gets worse

--snip--
<i>Iraqi society is sick in many ways. Sometimes it's hard to tell if Saddam was the problem or the symptom.</i>

Islam is the problem. Islam is a cult run absolutely amok. Islam is Jim Jones and the peoples temple times billions. It`s Marshall Applewhite and Heavens Gate, Charles Manson and every other sick cult you ever heard of only it has billions of people in it`s grasp by using the one thing most effective for controlling the thoughts of human beings on a mass level; Fear which is the opposite of love. It`s an epidemic of brain washing by madmen ranting about the rantings of a psychotic illiterate, and if you don`t like it, if you`re a "non-believer" they`ll kill you for it. Quite effective. Which is why we are fighting them on those terms. It`s the only language they understand. Bin Laden calling for a truce. My oh my, we are finally speaking a language he understands. How about that. The man who would be "Martyr", who says he will fight to the death, says ouch. Only a matter of time before we pull that rat out of his hole as well.

--/snip--

Holy Shit. Read that again. This is what the world is up against