Were the prison photo releases due to CIA operatives under orders?

[Snoggera]

Perhaps a conspiracy type thought, but maybe not.

The entire intelligence community is pissed at this administration. Were these atrocities encouraged (and photographed) for release to severely damage the neo-cons? After all, an undercover operative was outed, and their intelligence regarding Iraq was questioned repeatedly. They were made to look as though they had their fingers up their noses and their eyes closed for the past few years.

Let this quick thought die a quick, painless death if it seems too far-fetched. I don't know, I may hold onto it for awhile, though.

[The empressof all]

1. Here's another one-tin foil hat time

The Bushes will use these criminal acts as a justification as to why the war continues to go poorly. I can hear it now "we have been set back in our mission as a result of a few bad apples" "It wasn't our fault-it was the actions of those reservists" "We would have won the hearts and minds but for these few soldiers"

[Snoggera]

2. Where's the tin-foil hat?

I understand what you said, but miss the connection.

[CharlesGroce]

3. Somehow...

I don't think that likely. As if the 'intelligence' community ever has to consider that we are properly informed as a public before it makes it's decisions. I'll leave it at that.

[Snoggera]

5. Not trying to inform the public

Trying to accomplish a strategic, political objective.

Everyone knows they don't give a rats ass about opinion.

[Octafish]

4. Sure got the 9-11 Commission off the front pages in a hurry.

Now, what were we talking about?

[Snoggera]

6. The 911 Commission was doomed from the start.

However, I haven't seen a report yet. Maybe there will be some interesting opinions regarding information there.

[Octafish]

14. Yes, it was doomed from the get-go. But it did get 9-11 up front & center

Sure, things seemed odd when Smirko first assigned Henry "The Smart War Criminal" Kissinger the job of running the thing into the ground, and then teaming the commission up with Lee "What October Surprise?" Hamilton, and then bringing in Thomas "Bin Mahfouz Moneybags" Keane when Henry wouldn't reveal his client list, but the thing didn't die. And by living, it kept 9-11 in the public eye. And what does that picture show? A crazy monkey too stupid to protect the nation -- at best, a traitoreous stooge, most likely.

[brokensymmetry]

7. So you want a tinfoil hat -

Suppose that the photos were, as you say, released by CIA operatives under orders. Suppose that those orders came from the very top - from * himself.

Now why would he do that? If he wants to act against Syria and Iran, why not infuriate them? If he wants to stay in Iraq, why not incite the locals?

In fact, if enough things happen, the war would continue and expand no matter what happens in November.

:tinfoilhat:

[Snoggera]

8. To be more clear

1) The CIA has been "damaged" by the claims of this administration.

2) The CIA does not tolerate questioning of its policies or activities or information.

3) This administration formed a separate agency to feed them intelligence, and misused intelligence fed to them by the CIA.

4) This administration went public with their excuses and blame.

5) Revenge can be sweet to a pissed off group of intelligence workers.

Remember, the top brass in the military prior to the war were either "retired" or forced out, with administration friendly syncophants put in their places. The military could no longer object to this war.

The intelligence community can. They are not going to be overt about the objectives.

Is this clear enough?

[brokensymmetry]

15. Sure, it's clear. Except -

with the same data we've come to different conclusions.

[mitchum]

13. That is a very likely scenario

Nothing tinfoil hat about it

[mitchum]

9. The CIA would never undermine * , because they were/are...

instrumental in the rise of the BFEE. Dirty meets dirty.

[AlCzervik]

10. Look what happened

to Nixon, in the end when you screw with cia it comes back to bite you.

[Snoggera]

11. Just because Bush 1 was director for a time

does not mean they are loyal to them. They are loyal to their interests. Those interests do not include embarassment and degradation of their ability to pursue goals in various locations around the globe.

The BFEE doesn't yet control them, I believe, and I don't think it will be easy for them to do so. We are witnessing a struggle here, though it isn't the type to be bled out in the press daily in reports written for those with the deductive or inductive skills of a grade schooler.

[mitchum]

12. Just because bush sr was inexplicably director of the CIA....

for a time is very important. That family and that agency are intertwined. Both are long acting threats to our democracy (and the world)

[yardwork]

16. The CIA is mad about Valerie Plame being outed.

But I thought these pictures emerged because some of the perpetrators involved put them on internet porn sites?

No, I don't have a link. If someone does or has more info, I'd like it, thanks.

[notadmblnd]

19. My thoughts too

the CIA is the BFEE.

[BeFree]

17. Makes good sense

You have to ask: what kind of idiot would make lasting images of the torture, and then put them on the internet?

Seems to be so idiotic that surely CIA could not possibly be blamed... Crafty.

[Oddman]

18. I'm surprised that the photos stayed under wraps

for so long. I hear there are a lot more out there and videos too . . .


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