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Jack_Dawson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 04:29 PM Original message |
Isn't "Torture" overstating it a bit? |
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GreenArrow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 04:30 PM Response to Original message |
1. if it were being done to you, against your will, |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 04:31 PM Response to Original message |
2. Is this a competition? |
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Disturbed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 04:37 PM Response to Reply #2 |
13. Calling it abuse.. |
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Catholic Sensation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 04:32 PM Response to Original message |
3. also look at the culture |
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CJCRANE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 04:41 PM Response to Reply #3 |
19. how many Iraqi women do you know? |
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Catholic Sensation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 04:47 PM Response to Reply #19 |
32. yeah the MIddle East is reknowned for their progressive treatment of women |
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dpibel (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 05:40 PM Response to Reply #32 |
81. That darned Iraqi theocracy |
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oldcoot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 05:46 PM Response to Reply #32 |
89. You should not lump all Middle Eastern nations together |
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CJCRANE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-08-04 05:10 AM Response to Reply #32 |
207. Iraq was a secular country |
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sushi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-08-04 06:37 AM Response to Reply #32 |
210. You are exaggerating |
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Moloch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-08-04 04:28 AM Response to Reply #3 |
204. Iraqi women under Hussein.. |
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nonconformist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 04:32 PM Response to Original message |
4. Well, let a group of foreigners come to your house and shove |
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sangh0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 04:33 PM Response to Original message |
5. Yes |
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voice of reason (161 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 04:34 PM Response to Original message |
6. It's cruel |
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Bread and Circus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 04:35 PM Response to Original message |
7. Um....no, I think torture is correct.... |
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RBHam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 04:35 PM Response to Original message |
8. You agree with Rush Limbaugh and Sean hannity, eh? |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 04:36 PM Response to Original message |
9. you right broom stuck up peoples butts |
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bicentennial_baby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 04:36 PM Response to Original message |
10. Dunno..What do you think? (Graphic Photo) |
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sushi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-08-04 06:46 AM Response to Reply #10 |
212. Here is what's-her-name |
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Selwynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 04:37 PM Response to Original message |
11. The simple answer: yes, it fits the classic definition of torture. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 04:37 PM Response to Original message |
12. Anything that is done to you without your consent and |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 04:38 PM Response to Original message |
14. No. Torture is not overstating it. |
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trof (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 04:38 PM Response to Original message |
15. Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 04:38 PM Response to Original message |
16. We also need the true story of Saddam's actions for comparison. |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 04:40 PM Response to Reply #16 |
17. Good point. Any Saddam torture photos for comparison? |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 04:45 PM Response to Reply #16 |
28. what is my definition of torture is different for another |
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kysrsoze (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 11:38 PM Response to Reply #28 |
192. Yeah, Israel has some real gassers - literally |
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Jacobin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 04:41 PM Response to Original message |
18. Uhm |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 04:41 PM Response to Original message |
20. rape of women |
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gpandas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 06:05 PM Response to Reply #20 |
95. not this man n/t |
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tom_paine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 07:27 PM Response to Reply #20 |
116. I didn't hear that one. If true, disgusting |
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Hubert Flottz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 04:41 PM Response to Original message |
21. Saddam did not EVER claim to represent Democracy! |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 04:42 PM Response to Original message |
22. These are just the photographed abuses |
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ima_sinnic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 04:42 PM Response to Original message |
23. & all the Chinese water torture is is a little drip of water |
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LittleApple81 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 04:42 PM Response to Original message |
24. Well, if this were done to you how would you call it? I hope I am |
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Katarina (753 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 04:43 PM Response to Original message |
25. It's torture n/t |
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stellanoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 04:43 PM Response to Original message |
26. shucks. . . |
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Solly Mack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 04:44 PM Response to Original message |
27. Not only is it torture but it's also terrorism |
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Bjornsdotter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 04:45 PM Response to Original message |
29. Physical, Sexual and Psychological Torture |
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CJCRANE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 04:45 PM Response to Original message |
30. If you were in a land with |
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DoNotRefill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 04:45 PM Response to Original message |
31. Compare it to what goes on in US prisons daily.... |
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Imalittleteapot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 04:47 PM Response to Original message |
33. Humiliation is mental torture. |
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GumboYaYa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 04:47 PM Response to Original message |
34. Here's one common definition of torture: |
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progressivejazz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 04:47 PM Response to Original message |
35. Check the Geneva Conventions and get back to me. |
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Oddman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 04:47 PM Response to Original message |
36. Muslims being stripped is worse than torture. |
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Jack_Dawson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 04:49 PM Response to Original message |
37. Y'all need to take your outrage, and |
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liveoaktx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 04:51 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. Excuse! But there's enough outrage for multiple instances of torture |
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Divernan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 05:04 PM Response to Reply #37 |
42. This SPR site says sexual degradation of Iraqi prisoners is torture. |
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Toucano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 05:07 PM Response to Reply #37 |
47. That's a great link |
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Jack_Dawson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 05:10 PM Response to Reply #47 |
50. I can dig that argument... |
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Ms. Clio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 05:14 PM Response to Reply #50 |
58. Is sodomizing someone with a broomstick or chemical light torture? |
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West Coast Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 10:37 PM Response to Reply #50 |
172. Was it that "torture" museum in London? |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 05:16 PM Response to Reply #47 |
62. Damn straight. My toothache is pretty bad right now. |
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jean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 04:50 PM Response to Original message |
38. You're saying we're compassionate torturers? One rung above Saddam? |
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Oddman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 04:54 PM Response to Reply #38 |
40. Those rape pictures are going to be coming out soon . . . |
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Ms. Clio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 05:02 PM Response to Original message |
41. well let's try an experiment and shove a broom up YOUR ass |
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Bandit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 05:05 PM Response to Original message |
43. You forgot the one about throwing babies out of incubaters. |
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spanone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 05:06 PM Response to Original message |
44. No, don't think so. I saw a pic of someone with electric wires attached |
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tom_paine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 05:07 PM Response to Original message |
45. Yes, there are still a few levels of difference between the Busheviks and |
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x-g.o.p.er (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 05:13 PM Response to Reply #45 |
55. The gap is closing, though... |
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tom_paine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 05:18 PM Response to Reply #55 |
65. Very well, x-g.o.p.er, despite the Totalitarian Darkness threatening |
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x-g.o.p.er (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 05:26 PM Response to Reply #65 |
69. WHAT???!!!! |
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tom_paine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 05:42 PM Response to Reply #69 |
84. Yes. As terrifying as Germany in the 1930s |
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goodhue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 05:07 PM Response to Original message |
46. no |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 05:08 PM Response to Original message |
48. How do you know that? |
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qanda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 05:09 PM Response to Original message |
49. Why is Saddam Hussein the standard by which we now operate? |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 05:13 PM Response to Reply #49 |
54. Excellent post. Excellent. Wish I'd said that. nt |
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jean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 06:34 PM Response to Reply #49 |
103. pbl - what an excellent post. Your wise comment has been added |
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nomaco-10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 05:10 PM Response to Original message |
51. You've got to be kidding me, right? I"M MAD!!!! |
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Jack_Dawson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 05:14 PM Response to Reply #51 |
59. Dude - Chill |
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nomaco-10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 07:05 PM Response to Reply #59 |
108. Jask Dawson went down in the Hollywood hype of the..... |
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Jack_Dawson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 07:27 PM Response to Reply #108 |
118. Tell me more, Mr. Profiler |
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thebigidea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 07:53 PM Response to Reply #59 |
138. how is broomstick sodomy and murder not "pretty horrendous"? |
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Ms. Clio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 08:04 PM Response to Reply #138 |
143. Don't expect an answer to that question |
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thebigidea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 08:11 PM Response to Reply #143 |
149. well, there's a picture of a dead guy and details on how he died. |
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Ms. Clio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 10:24 PM Response to Reply #149 |
164. It's beyond me, too n/t |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 05:10 PM Response to Original message |
52. cause we're Murrica! |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 05:12 PM Response to Original message |
53. You're kidding, right? |
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JHBowden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 05:13 PM Response to Original message |
56. "Abuse" is more appropriate, I think. |
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Ms. Clio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 05:17 PM Response to Reply #56 |
64. Is there extreme physical pain when a broomstick is inserted |
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Eric J in MN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 05:18 PM Response to Reply #56 |
66. Beating a man to death is torture. (nt) |
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JHBowden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 05:27 PM Response to Reply #66 |
71. Naked piles of men, however, is humilation. |
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Ms. Clio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 05:29 PM Response to Reply #71 |
72. So did you do the broomstick experiment yet? Torture or not? |
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JHBowden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 05:32 PM Response to Reply #72 |
75. Sodomy is probably torture. |
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Ms. Clio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 05:40 PM Response to Reply #75 |
80. You need to read the New Yorker article |
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JHBowden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 05:42 PM Response to Reply #80 |
85. Ok, that's torture. |
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Ms. Clio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 05:48 PM Response to Reply #85 |
90. Yeah it's torture |
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BiggJawn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 05:14 PM Response to Original message |
57. So when is the "line crossed" |
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NNN0LHI (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 05:15 PM Response to Original message |
60. What flavor Kool-Ade you been drinking. It must me good n/t |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 05:15 PM Response to Original message |
61. Let's see |
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Eric J in MN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 05:17 PM Response to Original message |
63. If someone poured phosphoric acid on you, would that be torture? nt |
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whosinpower (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 05:24 PM Response to Original message |
67. Torture is the most accurate phrase |
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mouse7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 05:25 PM Response to Original message |
68. No, Jack, you were just supposed to read the freeper threads. |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 05:34 PM Response to Reply #68 |
76. I should be laughing at a great post; but I'm shaking my head instead. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 05:26 PM Response to Original message |
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gulliver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 05:29 PM Response to Original message |
73. I'd have to go with torture. |
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troublemaker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 05:29 PM Response to Original message |
74. Ask the victim |
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oldcoot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 05:55 PM Response to Reply #74 |
92. One example |
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bullimiami (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 05:36 PM Response to Original message |
77. ok, jack. |
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arcos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 05:39 PM Response to Reply #77 |
79. I couldn't agree more. n/t |
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Jack_Dawson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 05:43 PM Response to Reply #77 |
86. Who's the idiot? |
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Ms. Clio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 05:50 PM Response to Reply #86 |
91. Read the New Yorker article |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 06:02 PM Response to Reply #86 |
94. We should be concerned at the mere ALLEGATIONS of OUR |
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goodhue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 06:13 PM Response to Reply #94 |
99. Outrages upon personal dignity, in particular, humiliating and degrading |
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DrWeird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 06:07 PM Response to Reply #86 |
97. Quit playing dumb. |
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bullimiami (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 08:09 PM Response to Reply #86 |
147. Read the damn news JACK |
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Jack_Dawson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 08:28 PM Response to Reply #147 |
158. Tom Brokaw's not the news? |
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salin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 11:16 PM Response to Reply #158 |
184. So Brokaw is more reliable |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 05:37 PM Response to Original message |
78. USA, military, infliction, prisoners in our custody, torture, human rights |
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info being (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 05:41 PM Response to Original message |
82. Would you care to redefine it? |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 05:41 PM Response to Original message |
83. Think Psycological |
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LynneSin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 05:43 PM Response to Original message |
87. We were suppose to make Iraq a better country |
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PurityOfEssence (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 05:45 PM Response to Original message |
88. THEY DIDN'T KNOW THEY WOULDN'T BE KILLED AT ANY MINUTE! |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 05:57 PM Response to Original message |
93. what is the context that you prefer the word "torture" to be kept in? |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 06:05 PM Response to Original message |
96. My preferred definition: the Geneva Convention |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 06:10 PM Response to Original message |
98. Well...we DID put Saddam in power and sell him all his Chemical Weapons |
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HornBuckler (978 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 06:16 PM Response to Original message |
100. NO |
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gpandas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 06:24 PM Response to Original message |
101. is it getting any clearer to you? n/t |
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deacon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 06:26 PM Response to Original message |
102. How about the murders? are they overstated or just college hazing? n/t |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 06:43 PM Response to Original message |
104. Even many of the Freepers get it. Maybe you can understand them: |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 06:47 PM Response to Original message |
105. Nope. It's torture. |
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randr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 06:53 PM Response to Original message |
106. WHAT ABOUT THE REPORTED MURDERS???? |
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Sandpiper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 07:03 PM Response to Original message |
107. You are a disgusting apologist |
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Jack_Dawson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 07:19 PM Response to Reply #107 |
111. Oh please (drama?) |
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Sandpiper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 08:58 PM Response to Reply #111 |
161. Yes, you are an apologist |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-04 01:28 AM Response to Reply #161 |
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Kellanved (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 07:08 PM Response to Original message |
109. Call it what you want - it doesn't matter |
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Junkdrawer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 07:15 PM Response to Original message |
110. Who could call being raped with phosphorous light bulbs torture? |
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TNMOM (735 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 07:23 PM Response to Original message |
112. When another man forces anal sex on you |
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Jack_Dawson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 07:25 PM Response to Reply #112 |
114. Was there a picture of that? |
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Junkdrawer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 07:29 PM Response to Reply #114 |
119. It's in the Taguba report... |
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Jack_Dawson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 07:35 PM Response to Reply #119 |
125. Forced anal sex? |
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Ms. Clio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 07:43 PM Response to Reply #125 |
128. It's clear we are wasting our time on you |
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Junkdrawer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 07:58 PM Response to Reply #128 |
141. Oh, the photos exist alright. Hersh says we've only seen 1/1000th... |
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Ms. Clio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 08:08 PM Response to Reply #141 |
145. You're right |
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Jack_Dawson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 08:20 PM Response to Reply #128 |
152. Mel...seriously you gotta chill |
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Ms. Clio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 10:23 PM Response to Reply #152 |
163. Jack...seriously you gotta read a little more widely |
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MAlibdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 07:23 PM Response to Original message |
113. I wouldn't say torture |
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Ms. Clio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 07:48 PM Response to Reply #113 |
134. Is pouring phosphoric acid on a person torture? |
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matcom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 07:26 PM Response to Original message |
115. why don't i force YOU to CUM in your 'countryman's' MOUTH |
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Wind Dancer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 07:27 PM Response to Original message |
117. Torture it is! |
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nothingshocksmeanymore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 07:29 PM Response to Original message |
120. No shoving a broom up your ass qualifies as torture |
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jk121764 (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 07:29 PM Response to Original message |
121. torture definately |
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RapidCreek (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 07:30 PM Response to Original message |
122. Can I stick a broom handle up your ass? |
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Jack_Dawson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 07:41 PM Response to Reply #122 |
127. Where was THAT pic? |
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Junkdrawer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 07:43 PM Response to Reply #127 |
129. FYI: Sy Hersh has said that for every picture the public has seen, there.. |
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Jack_Dawson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 08:16 PM Response to Reply #129 |
150. Well obviously that's insanely fucked up |
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salin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 11:19 PM Response to Reply #150 |
187. Sadly... it is a predictable (and common) side effect of war |
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Ms. Clio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 07:46 PM Response to Reply #127 |
132. What is your obsession with photos? |
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jeanmarc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 07:51 PM Response to Reply #127 |
135. It's your topic title |
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RapidCreek (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 07:55 PM Response to Reply #127 |
140. Read about half way down the page |
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CJCRANE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-08-04 04:48 AM Response to Reply #127 |
206. Jack, the pictures we've seen |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 07:31 PM Response to Original message |
123. Yes it was torture and you really need to check yourself, |
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x-g.o.p.er (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 07:33 PM Response to Original message |
124. Just because it's not physical abuse... |
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Jack_Dawson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 07:40 PM Response to Reply #124 |
126. I get that |
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x-g.o.p.er (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 07:44 PM Response to Reply #126 |
130. And if the other allegations are true... |
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Jack_Dawson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 08:18 PM Response to Reply #130 |
151. Of course that's torture! |
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x-g.o.p.er (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 08:23 PM Response to Reply #151 |
154. Fair enough... |
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nolabels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-04 03:39 AM Response to Reply #154 |
196. Yea, but then they get to have a trial and call wittinesses |
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Junkdrawer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 08:27 PM Response to Reply #151 |
157. It's so insanely bad that I understand when people.... |
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Piperay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 07:45 PM Response to Original message |
131. If this was done to you |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 07:47 PM Response to Original message |
133. Fuckin a |
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JanMichael (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 07:51 PM Response to Original message |
136. Rationalize it all you want. So it wasn't bamboo up the nails? |
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Redleg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 07:51 PM Response to Original message |
137. Is having a broomstick shoved up your ass without your consent torture? |
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dpt223 (86 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 07:55 PM Response to Original message |
139. "torture" |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 08:09 PM Response to Reply #139 |
146. Precisely. Please note the OP is NOT the prevailing attitude for DU. |
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DrWeird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 08:04 PM Response to Original message |
142. Here lies a disruptor. |
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Jack_Dawson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 08:22 PM Response to Reply #142 |
153. Profound |
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starroute (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 08:06 PM Response to Original message |
144. Physical pain is not the defining aspect of torture |
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Jack_Dawson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 08:24 PM Response to Reply #144 |
155. Thank you for a civil post |
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Heyo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 08:10 PM Response to Original message |
148. All that is true..... |
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Ms. Clio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 10:27 PM Response to Reply #148 |
166. Oh look another one |
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ibegurpard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 08:24 PM Response to Original message |
156. No it isn't |
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MrSlayer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 08:51 PM Response to Original message |
159. Not at all. Torture is exactly the term to use. |
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MORTEN (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 08:55 PM Response to Original message |
160. according to the officials...think that summaries it well... |
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TexasMexican (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 10:22 PM Response to Original message |
162. I tend to agree. |
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Ms. Clio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 10:28 PM Response to Reply #162 |
168. Do you begin to understand that the photos are not the whole fucking story |
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TexasMexican (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 10:36 PM Response to Reply #168 |
171. reading comprehension is fundamental |
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Jack_Dawson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 10:37 PM Response to Reply #171 |
173. TexMex don't bother - people don't read here |
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Ms. Clio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 10:41 PM Response to Reply #173 |
175. Poor picked-on Jack |
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Jack_Dawson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 11:07 PM Response to Reply #175 |
181. Poor high-horse Mel |
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Ms. Clio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 11:13 PM Response to Reply #181 |
183. You are so disingenuous |
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Ms. Clio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 10:43 PM Response to Reply #173 |
176. By the way, is Saddam innocent until proven guilty??? |
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TexasMexican (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 10:58 PM Response to Reply #176 |
179. He is about as guilty as the American soldiers who are accused of torture. |
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Ms. Clio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 11:07 PM Response to Reply #179 |
182. Is he? So where are the photos of Saddam torturing people? |
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TexasMexican (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 11:19 PM Response to Reply #182 |
186. maybe |
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Ms. Clio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 11:26 PM Response to Reply #186 |
189. It's not "some"--the military's own investigation shows it was "systemic" |
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TexasMexican (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 10:49 PM Response to Reply #173 |
177. When I first saw the pictures. |
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salin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 11:22 PM Original message |
slightly ironic |
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Ms. Clio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 10:40 PM Response to Reply #171 |
174. Yes, reading comprehension is indeed fundamental |
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TexasMexican (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 10:57 PM Response to Reply #174 |
178. Perhaps you should learn to comprehend what you read? |
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Ms. Clio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 11:17 PM Response to Reply #178 |
185. It doesn't matter what you think--the Geneva Convention is what matters |
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TexasMexican (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 11:22 PM Response to Reply #185 |
188. Not my definition of torture. |
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salin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 11:30 PM Response to Reply #188 |
191. having been raped |
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salin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 11:28 PM Response to Reply #178 |
190. why do you think that is? |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 10:25 PM Response to Original message |
165. Whatever it's called, it's a WAR CRIME, prohibited by the Geneva |
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West Coast Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 10:27 PM Response to Original message |
167. Safe to assume, you wouldn't mind that stuff being done to you? |
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Kool Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 10:33 PM Response to Original message |
169. Okay, so I'm late to this party but I still want to |
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Donkeyboy75 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 10:35 PM Response to Original message |
170. It's torture. Just because it isn't as bad as other forms doesn't make it |
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opihimoimoi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-04 11:04 PM Response to Original message |
180. The Denials, the down playing, the excuses by the Pubs will come back to |
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not systems (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-04 02:08 AM Response to Original message |
194. That wood chipper story was a lie told by a... |
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LibertyorDeath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-04 03:08 AM Response to Original message |
195. "Isn't "Torture" overstating it a bit?" |
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shraby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-04 04:27 AM Response to Reply #195 |
197. Torture has |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-04 05:31 AM Response to Original message |
198. there is physical abuse and then there is emotional abuse |
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democrank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-04 05:48 AM Response to Original message |
199. My dictionary describes torture as |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-04 06:12 AM Response to Original message |
200. The only thing I find sicker than the torture of the Iraqi prisoners |
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oblivious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-08-04 05:12 AM Response to Reply #200 |
208. Agree! |
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drfemoe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-08-04 01:23 AM Response to Original message |
201. Not convinced yet ?? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-08-04 04:00 AM Response to Original message |
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tkmorris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-08-04 04:10 AM Response to Original message |
203. That isn't torture? |
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arcos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-08-04 06:45 AM Response to Reply #203 |
211. GOOD CATCH!! |
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JCMach1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-08-04 04:31 AM Response to Original message |
205. I can't believe you are even asking this |
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VOX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-08-04 05:58 AM Response to Original message |
209. Straight out of the Rush Limbaugh playbook... |
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LeahMira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-08-04 07:08 AM Response to Original message |
213. Humiliation isn't torture? |
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doni_georgia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-08-04 07:13 AM Response to Original message |
214. THere are pix you have missed - pix we all have missed because |
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Cogito ergo doleo (382 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-08-04 08:22 AM Response to Original message |
215. #17 of the Geneva Convention states |
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