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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 10:06 AM
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Poll question: How many DUers are aware that Chalabi may be an Iranian agent?
Edited on Wed May-26-04 10:18 AM by BurtWorm
That he (and his cronies) may have been a tool Iran used to pass phony info about Iraqi WMD to the US neoncons and media to spur the US to topple Saddam so Iran wouldn't have to?

How many DUers are aware that the lid of a seriously damaging scandal that could provide the final nail in Bushism's coffin seems about to come off?

(Important links to stories at UK Guardian and elsewhere):


http://www.consortiumnews.com/2004/052504.html http://www.warandpiece.com /
http://www.counterpunch.org/chalabi05202004.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/iran/story/0,12858,1224076,00.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/iran/story/0,12858,1224917,00.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1224824,00.html
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Randomthought Donating Member (388 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 10:08 AM
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1. Chalabi is for sale to the highest bidder
Edited on Wed May-26-04 10:09 AM by Randomthought
doesn't matter. The Iranians are high bidders this week.
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 10:09 AM
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2. Fully aware & think it's a lie.
He's a neocon tool/collaborator pure & simple.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 10:11 AM
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3. Who's smarter? The neocons or the Iranians?
Chalabi or Douglas Feith?
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 10:21 AM
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4. The important thing about this story
..is that the military and the CIA apparently did an end run around the Bush gang when they raided Chalabi's home and office, leaving the junta scrambling for explanations.

This is the first sign of a break between these organizations and the supposed chain of command.
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FleshCartoon Donating Member (592 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 10:27 AM
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5. Bated breath and on pins and needles.
Edited on Wed May-26-04 10:37 AM by FleshCartoon
For BushCo. to have been so intimately associating with a suspected double agent in regard to America's old enemy, Iran, even to the point of using his "fake" intelligence as a reason to go to war, and having been prepared to place him in power in Iraq is most likely what will impact the average American who otherwise might not care about other particulars.

Is that sentence too long? I kind of lost track of it at some point.

On Edit: I left a "to" out, so another word goes into that monolithic statement.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 10:30 AM
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6. I followed it somehow!
(And agreed.)

:hi:

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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 10:30 AM
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7. Yes that sentence is too long -- for the average American reader --
but, unlike many within the political opposition, DUers can deal with elliptical complexity, not to mention subtlety and subterfuge.

Pins and needles are indeed called for.

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Solomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 10:37 AM
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8. I think the Chalabi affair is the worst intelligence debacle in decades.
Iran suckered us in by using a double-agent. Looked at from their point of view, it turned out to be a huge success. Not only did we pay for it, but now they have all our secrets in the war against terra.

The media is trying to downplay it, but this is a collosal failure of the Bush administration.
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Mel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 10:40 AM
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9. am aware of Chalabi's possible playing both sides
and in between the fence not for sure which end he's playing. I think he's going to play which ever end he thinks will keep him alive, out of jail, and in the $.
Chalabi is a smarmy weasel!
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 10:53 AM
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10. I Just Became Aware Yesterday
and started that poll on "the most embarrassing thing about the Chalabi situation."

Chalabi came from Sunni areas and I didn't even realize he was a Shiite. When he made that trip to Iran, it seemed strange.

They don't seem to have the goods on Chalabi himself yet. But when your chief of intelligence flees to Iran, that's a pretty big clue. And now there's talk that he cut a side deal with Israel, too.
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SnohoDem Donating Member (915 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 10:54 AM
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11. Chalabi didn't tell them anything
they didn't want to hear. The idea that ShrubCo was 'used' doesn't work for me. They found a source that told them what they wanted to hear, and didn't look a gift horse in the mouth. I doubt they knew it was misinformation coming from Iran, but I don't doubt that they knew the information was of questionable accuracy. There was too much contradictory information from reputable sources.

I don't care why they go down, as long as they do, but they shouldn't be excused for mere incompetence. * planned to take out Saddam from the minute he got into office. The incompetence was intentional.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 10:57 AM
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12. It's not good for them regardless of how you put it together.
Either they allowed themselves to be told what they wanted to hear (Which I believe) and they're dupes and fools or they colluded with "Evil Axis" member Iran. Not good either way. They're in deep shit if we keep the pressure on.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 12:06 PM
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13. "The incompetence was intentional."
Seems to be a hallmark of this administration. Like they were clueless on 9/11, too. Since when is incompetence an acceptable excuse?

Google "Chalabi" and "BCCI".....tell me that this guy has not been a known entity for 10+ years. Would any of us trust a convicted bank embezzler to entrust our ME policy? No, only in Bushworld is this acceptable. Probably, a character strength there.
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