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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 09:51 PM
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Is it more important that the Democrats win to regain power or.....
is it more important that they win so they can get something accomplished for the people that need it? Of course, if the Democrats are in power, that means we can limit the damage done by the Repubs. But is that suffiicient enough reason to wish for a Democratic win, even if nothing is accomplished from a social standpoint?
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TexasMexican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 09:54 PM
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1. Its more important that we win than to try for more gun control.
of that I'm sure.
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DarkPhenyx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 10:02 PM
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7. Oh please. n/t
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Columbia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 10:04 PM
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9. Some people are masochists
They enjoy losing, that's why they keep trying for more gun control.
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JayS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 10:33 PM
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18. Yup, and I wish someone would sneak that message to...
...the Kerry Camp...with the warning that if he gets elected and reverts back to an anti-gun position...we will remember that in 2006. :)

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msmcghee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-04 08:29 AM
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23. What's with the gun control paranoia?
I have never heard Kerry or Gore or Clinton other any other Dem call for taking people's guns away from them - except for convicted felons. Registration and/or background checks are not confiscation.

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JayS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-04 08:54 AM
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24. "Registration and/or background checks are not confiscation"
This would be news to some folks in California, New Jersey, New York, etc. :)

Sorry, we have some high profile Democrats with great records in all but gun rights and it costs us.
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David Dunham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 09:55 PM
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2. To accomplish goals, Dems must win Pres, Senate, and House
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 09:57 PM
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3. At this point, it's more important that we win to reaffirm America's
Edited on Thu Jun-03-04 09:57 PM by nothingshocksmeanymo
sanity. Our party is far from perfect and there is much to do, but for a majority of even electoral votes to affirm Bush would be to declare this nation hopelessly ill.
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 09:57 PM
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4. agreed eom
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DarkPhenyx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 10:03 PM
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8. Can't argue. However...
...I still think it is far more important to be right, than to win.

I would rather die destitute than morally bankrupt.
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 10:09 PM
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13. A) Define right
Edited on Thu Jun-03-04 10:10 PM by nothingshocksmeanymo
B) Name one program of theirs that has genuinely been beneficial to society as a whole since 1976. (this is in response to your post number 10)
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JohnnyFianna1 Donating Member (218 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 10:15 PM
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16. Interstate Highway program, since the 50's
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 10:26 PM
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17. The actual bill was written by Al Gore, sr. and Hale Boggs along with
George Fallon...while it was a vision of Eisenhower's, it was blocked by Repubs who *waht a shocker* didn't want to raise taxes to pay for it.
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Gildor Inglorion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 09:58 PM
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5. Limiting Repuke damage is reason enough,
but a Democratic president and a Democratic congress could accomplish more good things accidentally than any combination of * and his Repuke allies could on purpose. Is that coherent? I hope so! :-)
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DarkPhenyx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 10:04 PM
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10. Not all Republicans are bad.
Nor is every idea they have wrong.
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BBradley Donating Member (645 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 10:12 PM
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14. Sacrelige!
Don't you know this is a partisan website? Shame on you.
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libhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 10:38 PM
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19. Treason-
Edited on Thu Jun-03-04 10:39 PM by tx.lib
sieze this person, take them away! (Just kidding). Frankly though, the only repuke I can think of that I have any affinity for is Ike.
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Taylor Mason Powell Donating Member (681 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 10:00 PM
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6. To use a common metaphor:
Is it more important to douse the flames engulfing our house, or to redecorate the living room?

On a serious note, to me, the answer to your question is simply: We just won't know whether anything will be accomplished until the Dems are in power. With the Repubs in power, we know for a fact nothing good will be accomplished. Even if you hold that a Dem win would provide only a slim chance of limiting the damage and helping the people that need it, I still say given the choice between slim chance and no chance, I'll go with the slim chance.

Or we could all vote for Nader and everything will be perfect! :-)




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Mikimouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 10:06 PM
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11. I understand the question and have tried to address it in the past
but was largely ignored. The basic issue comes down to this for me: Why change administrations if nothing positive will result? I am idealistic enough to still believe that a Dem. win will put us back on the diplomatic/economic track that would have been characteristic of our more recent Dem. administrations. There are some pressing issues that I would like to see addressed:
1) Reinstatement of the Fairness Doctrine, in Spades!
2) A well planned and implemented withdrawal of our troops from Iraq (no last minute, crowded helicopter flights this time, please.)
3) Repeal of the * tax cuts. This has to happen for the sake of the social programs you mentioned. As an example, I was informed late yesterday afternoon that since I had fewer than the expected students in my prison class this semester, I would be paid half of my usual salary for teaching the class. This came at the last minute, after I had already met the class on Tuesday, and was a last minute bait and switch by the college. I canceled tonight's class to try and regroup and figure out if I could teach the class. At half salary, it would have actually cost me to teach the class. Fortunately, the prison school system took exception to the pay cut and intervened on my behalf, so I have been reinstated at full salary, but there are others who are suffering with the idiotic results of these irresponsible cuts.
4) A thorough investigation and publication of the results of any last minute * pardons.
5) Removal and publication of all of Reagan's records, as well as the publication and display of all of *'s hidden papers from his terms as governor of Texas, which are all buried at *'s daddy's library in College Station.

Much more, but I am tired and inarticulate
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alcuno Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 10:07 PM
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12. A win will not be enough. We need a complete and total victory.
The right wing needs to be shut up, if only temporarily. Otherwise nothing productive will be accomplished.
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itsnoteasybeingreen Donating Member (37 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 10:14 PM
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15. JUDGES JUDGES JUDGES N/T
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 10:39 PM
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20. Kerry Open to Anti-Abortion Judges
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-04 07:26 AM
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21. Please, don't twist his words
He basically said he would be open to a judge who was anti-abortion as long as said judge did not allow his/her personal feelings about abortion to cloud his/her judgement.

What is the world is wrong w that?

<snip>

Democrat John Kerry (website/news/bio) said Wednesday he's open to nominating anti-abortion judges as long as that doesn't lead to the Supreme Court overturning the landmark 1973 ruling that made abortion legal.

<snip>

As fellow Democrats and abortion-rights groups demanded clarification, Kerry issued a statement after the interview pledging to not to appoint anybody to the Supreme Court who would undo the right to abortions. He left open the possibility of appointing anti-abortion judges to lower courts.

<snip>
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-04 07:33 AM
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22. it's not about POWER. The gop wants POWER. we want our NATION back, and
we want our dignity and honor restored.

We want truth back in our government, and no more wars, no more treason, no more rigged elections and stolen votes.

That "POWER" crap is gopspeak for "fear the libruls, fear the libruls!"
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He loved Big Brother Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-04 09:37 AM
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25. Which Democrats do you mean?
The ones who voted for Bush initiatives or the ones that voted against them?
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