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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-04 12:39 PM
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Bob Barr on CNN -- ME situation is CARTER'S fault
He gutted the CIA by bringing in Stansfield Turner. Of course Ronald Reagan tried to fix it, but then CLINTON screwed it all up again.

I swear to god. And the talking head is tossing him all the softballs. This has been a consistent pattern on the airwaves today. The GOP has its army of shills is out in full damage control mode today. Beware!

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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-04 12:41 PM
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1. this is the dude that paid for abortion to his wife
as he was having an affair with a staffer, to later marry, and then a short time later preached clinton was sinful and need to be impeached, jumping all over the constitution.

right.......lol lol
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Parche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-04 12:44 PM
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5. carter
Let me see if I remember, Carter brought Egypt and Israel together
Clinton brought Israel and the Palestinians together?
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-04 01:06 PM
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17. yeah, he's just annoyed that Reagan/Bush
failed to start a nuclear war in the region in the ensuing 12 years, I guess, bringing on Armageddon so he can git Raptured.
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-04 12:42 PM
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2. That's pretty desperate
Usually they stop with "It's Clinton's Fault!" (tm)

Before long it'll be Truman's fault. *sigh*
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bossfish Donating Member (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-04 12:43 PM
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4. Well, it is really...
Jefferson's fault...
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liberalitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-04 12:52 PM
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8. John Locke's fault....
that bastard!
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-04 12:50 PM
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6. well i could
argue that it was trumans fault but it`s to nice outside here in the midwest to argue the point....
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HootieMcBoob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-04 12:42 PM
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3. Yeah that Israel/Egypt peace agreement really fucked things up
And Clinton working to bring peace between the Jews and the Palestinians and getting closer than anyone ever imagined was a really bad move.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-04 12:56 PM
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13. That peace still holds, right? Dang liberal Nobel price committee!
Is Bob still suing Clinton or is he on a hiatus?
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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-04 01:42 PM
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18. It sure was "fucked" up! Look how many Isrealis and Egyptians.....
have killed each other since, ZERO!!!

Once a Rethug, Always a Rethug!

:argh:
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-04 12:52 PM
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7. Screwed up after Reagan!
Reagan presented a good idea at the time.....it was known as the peace dividend. The cold war is over, and we don't need to be spending billions on defense, CIA, and a hugh military.

I must admit, I believed that too at the time. If your opponent is gone, and you don't see another one on the horizon, it makes sense to reduce the size of the force you needed to defeat it.

It seems to me that EVERYONE agreed with that idea.

Whose fault was it that we didn't see there was a new emerging enemy, I don't know. I thought Clarke mentioned raising flags about al Qaeda and noone paid much attention to him. I know there was a Commission, Rudman, Hart, etc, that issued strong warnings at the end of the Clinton Admin, and beginning of Shrub, but their suggestions were disregaurded.

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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-04 12:52 PM
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9. That boy should go back to
flippin' pancakes....
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-04 12:54 PM
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10. Expect more of the same.
The Iraqi resistance isn't desperate, it's the right-wing cabal here in the USA that is getting desperate. I expect them to pressure the corporate media and launch a full out assault on the truth. The themes are familiar:
- It was all Clinton's, Carter's, Kennedy's, Truman's, and Roosevelt's fault.
- Liberals are traitors and support the terrorists.
- Liberals don't have the nerve to fight terrorists (chickenhawks like Barr do though!)
- Iraq = al qaeda.
- The thousands of WMDs are being hidden in Syria, which is instigating attacks on our troops!

This is a treacherous and powerful corporate cabal in control of our country right now. They will not give up total control without a fight.
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-04 12:54 PM
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11. Any Democrat will do, the farther back they can push the blame the better.
another one I wanted to reach through the screen and strangle. My my, glad it's Friday!
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-04 12:55 PM
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12. It sounds like Bush Crime Family spin.
Edited on Fri Jun-04-04 12:59 PM by yardwork
Didn't Carter replace Poppy Bush as head of CIA? Or was there someone in there in between?

Follow Poppy Bush's career - it explains a lot about who is on what side now.

Nixon goes down and Ford takes over and makes Poppy Bush head of CIA. Deep Throat is rumored to be whatsisname who is big in Baby Bush's administration now.

Reagan comes along and screws up Ford's chances to be reelected, putting that "wimp" Carter in charge and messing up all Poppy's plans. The Bushes and Reagans don't get along very well.

Poppy Bush runs for president but that damn Reagan is in his way again - eventually there is nothing to do but swallow that Bush Crime Family pride and make the pragmatic decision to join Reagan as VP. At least Poppy now has control over foreign policy since Reagan is gaga. First thing is the deal with Iran to hang onto those hostages and the deal with OPEC to keep oil prices high until Poppy, er... Reagan is firmly ensconced in the WH.

Things look a little dicey when some of the truth about Iran-Contra starts to leak out but in general Poppy has eight years plus four of his very own to set up private contracting firms teaching terrorism, er... anti-communist efforts in South America and Africa and the Middle East.

Then that *&^%$ Clinton comes along and wrecks everything for Poppy again. Eight years of working behind the scenes and cleaning up DimSon so he is mildly presentable, getting DimSon and OlderSon into governorships of two great big states with lots of electoral votes, and generally causing trouble behind the scenes, breaking the knees of the press, etc.

And now it looks like that #$^* Kerry is trying to wreck things for Poppy and DimSon again!!
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TexasSissy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-04 12:56 PM
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14. Oh, geez whiz. How far back do they wanna go to blame their
problems on someone else? Didn't Carter win the Nobel Peace Prize?
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Zuni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-04 12:56 PM
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15. by bringing in Stansfield Turner
of course Reagan fixed everything by bringing in the entirely legible Bill Casey
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Imperialism Inc. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-04 12:57 PM
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16. Well one thing they have to give the Dems credit for...
They sure know how to keep the horrible flaws in their policies under control while they are in office. Clinton did for 8 years before all hell broke loose under Bush.

/end sarcasm
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