9 countries - China, Russia, UK and US (9 Battle Groups) etc...at sea

[cthrumatrix]

This is more than just a "US show of force" or "military exercise". The most powerful countries in the world have all decided to go to sea for "exercises"?

Why would all these countries deploy around the world at the same time (within the last couple of weeks) ? I can only think if something where happening to "the world" or sattelites will not be as helpful in the future .... now why would sattelites be at risk or information not as reliable?

If the stock market were tanking and gold were rising ...one could connect the dots better.

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/militaryconnection/3339032/detail.html
http://www.kgw.com/sharedcontent/APStories/stories/D82RPO783.html
http://news.scotsman.com/edinburgh.cfm?id=631192004
http://itar-tass.com/eng/level2.html?NewsID=902677&PageNum=0
http://www.washingtontimes.com/functions/print.php?StoryID=20040602-010016-1638r

[cthrumatrix]

1. USS George Washington sends out cancellation notice on 6/1/04...???

If this were a planned "exercise"...they would not be canceling a planned event.

"Something matured"...so they say.

http://www.spear.navy.mil/gw/TigerCruise.htm

[Birthmark]

2. Well, how many battle groups were at sea last year at this time?

More, less, the same?

[EldreEdda]

3. Hmm...

What are you guys implying here?

[Minstrel Boy]

4. This level of activity is highly unusual.

The US has never sent so many carrier groups to sea at the same time. The Russian exercise is termed "unprecedented" by Pravda.

Could be nothing. Could be something. We'll see. In the meantime, I think it's good we note it, along with other indicators, so we're not caught unawares by ... well, whatever.

[sangha]

6. Where did you get "seven carrier groups" from

the articles linked say nothing about 7 US carrier groups.

The British are sending out a seven SHIP group.

[Minstrel Boy]

12. Right here: "7 carriers to set sail along with escorts"

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/military/20040604-9999-1m4pulse.html

[sangha]

16. Thanks

but since posting that, I read your other thread, which contains that link. Thanks again for going through the trouble.

[sangha]

20. Here's a link you'll be interested in

http://www.utusan.com.my/utusan/content.asp?y=2004&dt=0605&pub=Utusan_Express&sec=World&pg=wo_05.htm

It helps with part of the puzzle, IMO

[Minstrel Boy]

23. Thanks, that is interesting.

I'm also looking with some trepidation towards China. Some carrier groups are sailing to the Western Pacific, and China is both preparing a large wargame modelling an invasion of Taiwan and setting its fleets to sea on a "goodwill" exercise. There's a thread in LBN re Taiwan anxious about an "imminent" attack. I think that's unlikely, but it's certainly a flashpoint that bears watching.

[sangha]

24. Agreed on Taiwan

As I said before, I'm not disputing that something unusual is up, but I don't think we have enough info yet to believe that we are launching an invasion or anything like that. I suspect that this is designed to send a message, not just to Taiwan, but also to the entire world. The message is, just because our army is tied up in Iraq, you shouldn't think that you can do what you want because we can still project massive power throughout the world. This would be consistent with your taiwan scenario *AND* the West African deployment.

[Minstrel Boy]

25. Iraq gives the appearance of US military vulnerability,

but in fact most assets - and the biggest, at that - are not committed.

A "You want a piece of me?" challenge to the world, to deter those who may be weighing the odds of taking advantage of the quagmire of US ground forces, is certainly plausible.

[Birthmark]

14. I'll be in the mountains for the next couple of weeks.

I'll be really pissed if I come back to a smoking ruin! :)

[cthrumatrix]

9. Unusual for several reasons.....

These are Carrier Battle Groups (Each one is a flotilla consisting of the carrier, several air defence frigets/destroyers, one or more attack subs and various ancillary/supply ships). The U.S has only got 12 Carrier battle groups. Of the remaining three carriers, one is in the process of having its nuclear reactor defuelled, a very complex process that takes several years.


* All the other countries at the same time

* Fed Reserve pumping in massive liquidity (money) into the system

* Warnings of attacks past week...

more later...........

[Birthmark]

17. I'll have to take your word for it.

I have no context.

Do you have a specific reason for linking the actions of the Fed with the deployment, or is it simply the juxtaposition that you find curious?

[cthrumatrix]

18. Liquidity by the Fed (in these amounts) is for emergency times ..as in 911

from another financial website:

M-3 is up an amount that we've never seen before without a crisis - $155 billion over the past 4 weeks, a $2.0 trillion annualized pace, a 22.2 percent annualized rate of growth!!! There must be a crisis of historic proportions coming, and the Federal Reserve Bank of the United States is making sure that there is enough liquidity in place to protect our nation's fragile financial system.

http://www.safehaven.com/showarticle.cfm?id=1597&pv=1

[sangha]

5. Misleading

They are going on military exercises. These happen all the time.

[PaDUer]

7. Happens all the time??

Can you provide a link or two showing this occurs "all the time" as you say along with the number and name of countries who have been involved? We'd appreciate it.

[sangha]

10. Surprisingly

I suspect the military doesn't publicize this info by providing a centralized site that lists all their war games and military exercises. However, if you read the papers regularly, you might notice the regular appearance of stories about military exercises.

And as far as the number of name of countries, those countries regularly have military exercises.

on editL and it would foolish to assume that those nations, with militaries as large as they are, do NOT engage in such exercises.

[Minstrel Boy]

8. This doesn't happen "all the time"

This is, officially, "the first demonstration of the Navy's emergency deployment plan", and involves "virtually every aircraft carrier that can sail."
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/military/20040604-9999-1m4pulse.html

Look, it could be nothing but what they say it is: a massive test of an emergency deployment. And the other great navies could just, by chance, be conducting similar exercises. But it's disingenuous to say it happens all the time on this scale.

[sangha]

15. I just read, in your other thread, about the 7 carrier groups

and THAT, which isn't mentioned in the links above, *IS* unusual. However, the explanation for that is pretty plausible.

And the other great navies could just, by chance, be conducting similar exercises

They're all navies. They operate on the open sea, and during certain times of the year, the weather is unsuitable for these eercises, so I don't think it's remarkable that all nations do this around the same time of the year.

But it's disingenuous to say it happens all the time on this scale.

With the exception of the 7 carrier group deployment, there's nothing unusal about this. I don't see any info there that suggests anything unusual.

I'm not saying you're about there being something going on. I'm just saying that they military exercises described above are not enough to believe that there is.

[Minstrel Boy]

19. I know, this is the time of year to expect wargames and exercises,

but the scale is unprecedented, and it's one of many indicators suggesting something unusual and awful brewing. Like, for instance, the unprecedented actions of the Federal Reserve to ensure liquidity which, financial analysts say, suggests "There must be a crisis of historic proportions coming", and the Fed is "aware of a terrible, horrific imminent event" (A lot more here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=1701699&mesg_id=1701699).

All of this could be adding up to nothing. And I hope it does. But it's more than my gut this time telling me that something wicked is coming.

[sangha]

21. Yes, it is larger than usual

but that's only because of the 7 carrier groups, and that might well have a reasonable explanation. I posted this link, but I'll repeat it because it may be a part of the puzzle

http://www.utusan.com.my/utusan/content.asp?y=2004&dt=0605&pub=Utusan_Express&sec=World&pg=wo_05.htm

[keithyboy]

11. What country is going to be invaded nest? Al-qaeda doesn't have ships

WTF is going on? How much is this costing taxpayers all over the world and for what?

[cthrumatrix]

13. this is not about AQ....IMHO they are either ready to go "on offense" ...

or every country in the world is on "defense" at the same time. This may have nothing to do with AQ.

[Jose Diablo]

22. Nibiru <chuckle>

http://www.apollonius.net/nibiru.html

:silly: