Reagan passes ... bounce or dive for Bush????

[lanparty]

OK, so all the networks are in a gushing love fest about Ronald Reagan's passing. By no means do I believe he was a saint or a hero. But I do believe that he was an honorable, respectable man. He had a deep respect for America and democracy that would make him uncapable of Bush style shenanigans.

So here is my question. Does Bush get a bounce because he is seen in some circles as Reagan's heir? That is, that the Republican noise machine wants you to believe that he is as great or greater than Reagan.

Or, do Bush poll numbers go down because the comparisons with this genteel and respectable man make Bush look like an arrogant, mean spirited, contemptible prick.


Personally, I think Bush's numbers will go down. He is no Reagan, especially for tradiditonal conservatives. Bush is something altogether different.

[LittleApple81]

1. You reminded me of Randi Rhodes song: Bounce those boobies!!! n/t

[dawg]

25. I haven't heard that song.

Is there a video? :evilgrin:

[LittleApple81]

27. The name of the song is "Bounce Your Boobies" by Rusty Warren.

But I don't know where you can listen to it. I don't think they have a video... and Rusty probably would not want to personally bounce her boobies...
this is a little blurb I found on her:
Bawdy and risque, the comedy of Rusty Warren was daring and revolutionary; one of the few successful female performers in a business historically dominated by men, Warren pushed the envelope further by dealing explicitly with sex, a taboo topic for any mainstream comic of the 1950s and 1960s regardless of gender.

[LTR]

2. Temporary bump

But will slide back to the present level in a week.

No long-lasting impact, if at all.

[molly]

3. I don't think it makes any difference

except that Reagan had alzheimers and * is just plain nuts.

[Don_G]

4. A Small "Sympathy" Bounce

And a continuing decline now that the "Cult of Saint Ronnie" no longer has a central icon.

The faithful will start comparing the two and Dimbo will come up well short.

[lanparty]

5. Icons do not die ...

No the Reagan myth will be around for a LONG time. My point is that Bush doesn't "fit" into the Reagan myth. All the loving reverie for Reagan will only highlight how Bush is different for better or worse.

[Don_G]

6. True

But their "Lord" has died and the flock will be searching for a new central figure to act on their behalf.

Reagan could cut it, Dimbo cuts cheese.

[Lou_C]

32. LOL

The lord has died....I love it.

[indigobusiness]

36. But he does that rather well...

"George is lactose intolerant."




http://sludgereport.blogspot.com/

[Jim Warren]

7. Regan thought the bushies were wimps

Bad blood existed between 40 and 41 and still does in the famiies. Poppy was Reagan's third term, he'd never made it on his own.
No bounce.

[lanparty]

34. When Reagan was shot ...

Bush did not assume the role of the presidency. Alexander Haige took control.

I don't think Reagan ever really trusted Bush. They were political rivals having both run for the presidential nomination in 76 and 80.

[snippy]

8. No real change but Bush will benefit short term because no one will

be paying any attention to what a constant lying fuck up he is. The more people see of Bush, the less they approve. However, the average American will soon be sick of the unseemly and non-stop idolatry of Reagan. The average American then will pay attention to Bush and he will continue to convince people that he has no business being president.

[Zomby Woof]

9. "a deep respect for democracy"?????

:wtf: Get thee to some history books and newspaper archives, for to say Reagan had a 'deep respect for democracy' is an enormous gap in your knowledge, indeed.

James Watt.
Ed Meese.
Iran-Contra.
The FBI spy-squealer program for our public libraries.
Contemptible appointees to the bench, especially SCOTUS.

And on, and on, and on...

It's bad enough the media is whitewashing him, but when DUers do it, and offer the disclaimer "he was no saint or hero, BUT..." my hackles get raised. Especially when the praise offered is FALSE.

[Arugula Latte]

14. Yes.

The many families of dead central American peasants who died as a direct result of Reagan wouldn't say he was an honorable man.

[baby_bear]

19. Right on, ZombyWoof

Just to add one more item (and there are so many), don't forget that Reagan presided over the shredding of the Environmental Protection Agency. The administrator Anne Gorsuch had to resign in shame and her head of the Superfund program, Rita Lavelle, went to jail. Congress had to step in and restore the enforcement program at EPA, which had been totally dismantled.

The list goes on and on, and it seems that many people don't want to remember, or don't want to know, period.

s_m

[Francis]

10. veiled comparisons

could be just me, but i have noted in all the tributes being paid there is an undercurrent of comparison that says bush is no ronnie.
e.g. ed meese... he loved to call the cabinet and get different views from all sides.. etc.. etc..
how about daddy's statement of ronnie could disagree without being disagreeable/
a talent some of us should try to learn !

[supernova]

11. No bump

For those who love St Ronnie, the Reagan DEMOCRATS, * will suffer by comparison.

[Newkophile]

12. Glad that he didn't pass a week before the election

Some moderate bounce now for Bush, but won't matter come November.

[troublemaker]

13. Neither; it freezes the ball for a week

[readmylips]

15. Nada for bush....

Meeting the Pope gave bush a big whacking. He did not win Catholic vote, like he hoped.
World leaders have made reference to the courage of WWII world veterans. No reference and no mention of bush valor. World leaders agree on continued relationships with the US; with or without bush. Bush irrelevant.

Only two world leaders somewhat praising bush; Italy, Poodle Tony, and Australia. The world Loved President Clinton and praised him well.

It is obvious that bush is not Reagan, even if most of his conservative policies took root during the Reagan era. Conservative policies which bush has turned into radical policies.

Furthermore, bush has no shame. He has politicized, for his gain, the WWII ceremonies. Even poopy bush is getting more recognition than any other WWII veteran. Veterans who were much more courageous and more decorated than poopy. Shame on all those bushes.

[lanparty]

29. Catholics aren't sheep.

Catholics have matured quite a bit. Most Catholics will disagree with one or more positions of the church. They aren't like the synchophantic evangelical types. John Paul II could endorse Bush and it would make no real difference.

[porkrind]

16. dead cat bounce (n/t)

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[Media_Lies_Daily]

17. Flatline. Period.

[Speck Tater]

18. To the average politcally disconnected American

...there's no connection between Reagan and Bush. The one has nothing to do with the other.

Net result: No effect on Bush whatsoever.

[Renew Deal]

20. I say dive.

It shows what a fucking moran Bush is. One look at Reagan and you have to wonder what is wrong with Bush.

[lanparty]

28. That's quite a statement since ...

... Reagan wasn't really brilliant either. He did have a dignified charm though. Bush's "charm" is lowbrow and childish.

[oasis]

21. Bush will not measure up to the "Reagan Legacy".

[oasis]

22. Bush's credibility has taken a nosedive. Reagan's sainthood will not

seem compatible with the fumbling, bumbling, lying, mortal imbecile called "W".

[OpSomBlood]

23. Neither, it just takes attention away for a week or so.

Like others have said...better now than in November.

[TankLV]

24. No bump at all.

In fact, it pushes bunkerboy's antics on trying to use D-Day as a campaign commercial off the radar screen.

I have to laugh heartily at that one!

Sure, those of you that can be gracious (I'm not one) and the repuke fan club will have their week or so of respect - but I bet this passes quickly.

Bunkerboy's Kharma is now being paid - and he has only just made the first installment payment.

I concur with those that since no-one can avoid the comparisons, we will get either many more converst to Kerry, or those deciding to "sit out" this campaign when they finally begin to realize what a supremely horrible little & EVIL man we have now in OUR White House!

[mot78]

26. I honestly don't think it'll matter much

It will rally hard-core Conservatives for a while, but nothing else. Reagan may be well-liked by many in the general public, but they won't switch their vote to * based on Reagan's passing.

[salin]

30. Initially - neither

the longer the lovefest with the media goes on... the more there becomes a negative effect on bush's support.

[napi21]

31. no bounce. If RR had not been so sick for such a long time

and would have publicly supported Shrub, maybe. I don't think this will have any bounce effect at all. In fact, with all the coverage of replays of Reagan's speaches it could be damaging to the Shrub. People might realize how much of a dumbo he really is in comparison to RR.

[warrior1]

33. no bounce

If they do this lovefest 24/7 the are going to loose viewers. NBA finals, etc. are what the public wants.

His death and the parade the networks are giving is just delaying what should have been on the agenda this week.

Major heads rolling over the Plamegate.

Lots of stuff coming down.

[Walt Starr]

35. I predict a loss

They're going to "Wellstone" themselves. Watch.