If lurkers post "I'll piss on Raygun's grave" does that make DU look bad?

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

How can we stop freeper lurkers from posting Reagan hate posts so they can run to their websites and say "see I told you they were hypocrites"?

Here - see:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1148240/posts

Sidenote - man they suck check out this quote:

'What's really sad and pathetic is how many of them attribute the deaths of their friends from AIDS to Ronald Reagan instead of the their friends' own sexual behavior. Since the DUers linked to this thread, they should realize that those people made a choice. President Reagan didn't order them to go have unprotected sex. "

ugh!!!

[Nlighten1]

1. Empathy is not one of they strong points.

And it wasn't one of Reagan's either.

[OpSomBlood]

2. Just look at the post count.

That's a good indication of whether the "grave dancers" are sincere or Freep lurkers.

[Walt Starr]

3. I think the ones who make DU look the worst

are the ones moralizing about how we need to "respect" and evil fuck just because the fuck finally kicked the bucket after a not nearly agonizing enough struggle with a disease.

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

7. My first and current response is "Adios Fascisto!"

And will continue to be. I was just wondering. I say let our leaders be the statesmen let us Democrat grunts spew the vitriol!

[Waverley_Hills_Hiker]

18. Very good point.

I understand there are diffences in opinion on how one should "act" and I can see both ways.

But I dont have any real problem with people letting off steam about Reagan. That was my initial reaction..to pop a cork of some good wine I had laid up.

Probably not politie or "nice", but Reagan was a major political figure with a signifigant political legacy, and this needs to be remembered. He was "great"
but in a bad way.

[fdr_hst_fan]

8. True-

Ray-gun's suffering is over, but this nation will STILL be suffering the effects of his Alzheimer's affliction for GENERATIONS to come!

[DarkPhenyx]

10. Dosen't all that hate...

...burn up the decency in you? Judging from the tenor of your posts I would say that it must have.

[Walt Starr]

12. Fuck no

I save my decency for decent people. Most Republicans are not included in that category.

[DarkPhenyx]

19. Prehaps...

...you save it because you are losing so much of it to an unresoning, and ultimately self destructive, negative emotion.

[Walt Starr]

23. Hate is just as important as love

without hate, there would be no love.

I hate the evil Repukes. I love my family and because of that love, I allow my hate to rule when dealing with these evil fucks.

[DarkPhenyx]

33. If you allow your hate to rule...

...then you are doomed to fail. Hate blinds you to logic. Logic and rational thought are the only way to a true solution. Hate is why we are in Iraq. That and fear, which also blinds you.

[Name removed]

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[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

You don't think I have any decency?

What did say to make you feel that way? I know I swear alot but I have said I don't wish any pain to his family and I don't hate the man. What are you referring to?

[DarkPhenyx]

32. No, no. Not you.

Walt.

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

46. Oh - my apologies - i misread the tree of responses!

I'm sorry. I have admired your posts and was worried I had alienated you. Whew!
:)

[DarkPhenyx]

50. Yeah, I do that sometimes too.

Or I'm having an intese debate with someone and then I get an outsider that jumps in for one post and I end up "flat blasting" them cuz I didn't pay attention to who they were. :)

[billbuckhead]

13. It's like a victims family finally seeing the murderer executed.

I'm definitely not a lurker and know Reagan was a traitorous facist pig and if people's rage against this traitorous oppressor might make liberals look bad vs the opportunity to educate an amnesisac America. I'd take that chance. This is a very evil man who definitely doesn't need to be lionized.

[DarkPhenyx]

34. Who here is lionizing him? n/t

[Gore1FL]

87. Thats not why we need to show respect

The reason we need to show respect is because that course of action most closely reflects the ideals of liberalism. It has little to do with Reagan, and everything to do with ourselves.

[SlingBlade]

90. Question ?

What is the difference between a freeper lurker and a liberal apologist.
In other words, Someone who calls themselves a liberal here, But on their home board generally lays down when the Repug tag teams up on a liberal poster or actually takes the side of those repugs against a liberal poster.

What do you guy’s call this.

[kiahzero]

111. Sorry to play semantics

apologist - A person who argues in defense or justification of something, such as a doctrine, policy, or institution.

A "liberal apologist" would not be someone like Alan Colmes... a liberal apologist would be someone like Al Franken, Randi Rhodes, Mike Malloy, Eric Alterman, or any other liberal pundit.

[scrotim]

91. wow, i can't believe your posts.

are you intentionally supplying sullivan, et al with ammunition?

[kiahzero]

110. How many are asking that you "respect" Reagan?

And how many are asking that you show some empathy for the family that lost a loved one?

[vi5]

4. They are not all lurkers or freepers....

Sadly I've seen quite a few "piss on reagan's grave"(as you put it) posts from people with 1,000 + posts.

I'm not saying I"m in mourning or anything even close to that. But still. I refuse to become what I hate. It's one thing in politics to fight fire with fire. But we gain nothing from expressing glee in this instance.

Not one single life will be saved.
Not one single hungry person will get fed.
Not one single sick or uninsured person will get any better healthcare.

None of these things will happen, so why do we reduce ourselves to it?

[Walt Starr]

9. "so why do we reduce ourselves to it?"

Because it feels so fucking good after so many years of fighting against the evil fuck's legacy.

[Gore1FL]

88. I think that was an excuse they used

To justify prisoner abuse. Does it fit here better? If so, how?

[Waverley_Hills_Hiker]

22. The death of a bad man does not make him better.

To be honest Im indifferent to Reagans death.

He does have a political legacy, and we need to remember that.

[BeFree]

25. Lots of good has come from our expressions

For one, I feel better knowing that there are a lot of others who also realize what RR did to my country and we aren't afraid to hide it! Let 'er rip!

Two, it has given a huge education to many about how bad RR was and how most of todays struggles have trickled down on us from his eight years of Ralphing on the Republic.

Three, it brought out all the apologists from our ranks. We have a better idea of just who we can count on from here on out as we head into the final days of Reaganism.

Believe me, one way or the other, we are living in the final days of Reaganism. We shall either destroy it, or it will destroy the World.

[wellstone_democrat]

27. "reduce ourselves?" He reduced many of us

to less than human status due to disability, illness, race or poverty. He popularized the open denigration of anyone who was not "lucky" enough to have no problems, plenty of personal and financial support and available medical care.

Some of us *did* have our futures *reduced* permanently.
Some of us---my cousin Greg for one---died a gruesome death knowing that he was villified and scorned for being a gay man.
All of us live in less of a decent society whether that is measured by civility, compassion or material circumstances.

More than anything though, he paved the way for something that is far worse than he and his contemporaries did in the 1980s: he created a world in which the entire Bush* fiasco could flourish.

[LTR]

5. How about the FR post about Bush visiting MLK's grave

On the news that Bush laid a wreath on his grave, one freeper's quote was "Shoulda pinched a loaf".

And just Google "Wellstone killed" and "http://freerepublic.com". My, what hypocricy!

Fuck 'em!

[DarkPhenyx]

11. Aren't supposed to be better than thay are though?

Just a thought.

[LTR]

24. I like to think we are

And I was one of those who thought some of the Reagan bashing here was a bit tasteless.

But Reagan was a polarizing figure to many. Many loved him, and many thought he was pure evil.

If Carter or Clinton died, what would you think their responses will be? I'm sure they're not going to be polite. Hell, many wished death on them.

All I'm saying is that conservatives and Republicans, in general, are a bunch of thin-skinned crybaby wimps. They can dish it out, but they can't take it.

All it takes is a good look in the mirror, to find their consciences, if indeed they have any.

[DarkPhenyx]

40. Agreed.

You are absolutely correct.

I like to think we are better as well. It's jsut that far too often we don't act like it. :shrug:

[drdigi420]

63. we ARE better than them, we have enough sense to hate Reagan

I personallyl think its disgraceful that anyone, especially DUers, would show ANY respect for a man who didnt respect anything his handlers didn't tell him to.

Reagan was, is, and always shall be, one of the most evil people to walk this planet. His politics have done more damage to the US than 100 Bin Ladens.

reagan paved the way for the current corrupt little bitch in office.

[DarkPhenyx]

65. By acting this way...

...the exact same way the RW acts when one of ours passes, we aren't any better at all.

I've hear the same logic you used to explain away why we as Americans are better despite our torturing of Iraqi prisoners. "The Iraqi's don't deserve better treatment". It isn't any more valid in this instance either.

[BeFree]

29. We are better

To suggest otherwise, as you, phenyx, have done, is to deny history, and is an affront to all free thinkers.

[DarkPhenyx]

39. Then if we are better than they...

...shouldn't we act like it? If we are truly the "Adults" then why are we acting like the "children"?

[BeFree]

51. If that's how you see us then fine.

But you are dead ass wrong.

Ya know, in Iran/Contra, we could have crushed Reaganism for good. But because too many said: " Aw, leave him alone, show some respect" he escaped justice.

I'm still pissed at that.

And you are feeding us the same line of shit that we were fed back then. I ain't buying it.

[DarkPhenyx]

52. Big difference.

Back then he was a live and a criminal.

[BeFree]

54. Now he's dead, so what?

He's still a criminal. He screwed you over good and yet you protect him? That's not too smart, eh?

[DarkPhenyx]

55. I'm not protecting him.

I'm advocating for a bit of decorum and class at least until he's safely in the ground. Just liked I'd ask for from the RW were this Clinton, or Wellstone, or even Al Sharpton. I seriously dislike the Pope's politics adn his interferance in the American system. I'll still be respectful when he passes and ask the Goddess to guide him back into his next life.

[BeFree]

62. I get it now! Thanks, phenyx

I should have seen it all along.

It is you who is better than the rest of us!

Why, we have no decorum, or class, but we might once "he's safely in the ground". Hahahahahahaha

Ya wanna know what Reagan's next lives will probably be? Borne by an African who has AIDs. Again, and again, and again. Now that would be HELL, wouldn't it?

[DarkPhenyx]

66. If that is the fate for his next life

so be it. That isn't my concern or decision to make.

[BeFree]

68. No shit.

It is not your decision.

And it's not your decision what gets posted on this board. Get over it.

[DarkPhenyx]

69. No, it isn't.

It is my decision, however, to point out how childish, classes, and just plain stupid those posts might be.

Again I see "get over it". A line I hear a lot when talking about how Bush stole the election. How Clinton is no longer President. Curious. I wonder what hearing that now, in this discussion, means.

[BeFree]

70. Get over it

A common term to inform people that they are carrying on like a foolish child. My use of the term means that I feel you are going way out of your way in an attempt to decide what is posted on this board. Not only that, but also making an effort to protect the name of one of Liberalism's greatest enemies. That's all.

[DarkPhenyx]

71. You still sound like a Freeper saying it.

But by your definition prehaps I should use the term with all the people ranting on about how evil Reagan was. They definately sound like spoiled, foolish, ill mannered children. Yet more that I will have to think about.

[BeFree]

74. There you go, again

Protecting RR.

So we all sound like foolish kids, eh?

That's dark. Getting dark, to dark to see, eh?

[DarkPhenyx]

75. Pretty much yes.

Now, please point out where I was protecting RR. This should be amusing.

[BeFree]

78. You're RIGHT DP

I should just listen to you. You obviously are far superior to me.

The next time I have an opinion I want to post on DU, I'll clear it with you first! OK?

Happy now, oh great one? Or do I need to grovel a bit more?

(Because that's just what you sound like you want)

Get over it, and get over yourself.

[DarkPhenyx]

80. A bit more groveling would not go amiss.

And a little boot licking for good measure ok? Thanks.

[ima_sinnic]

95. "spoiled, foolish, ill mannered children"

you're a real etiquette maven, aren't you?
you make us sound like a bunch of wealthy ingrates who have taken everything the old man gave us--the Ferrari and the Lamborghini, the horses, the estate in the French countryside and the Fifth Ave penthouse, the elite private school education--with no thanks or humility, with a sense of entitlement and the old man be screwed.

well, Miss Manners, we are far from wealthy. I am adult who is struggling through life in large part because of this despicable and phony old bumbler's policies and his slavish glorification by a bunch of greed-heads.

If you are looking for respect for Ronald Reagan, why not go where people respect him? who are you to come on this board of progressives and tell us how we should talk about a major UNprogressive, UNliberal scourge who has just happened to die? go where the "adults" are if your priority in life is to "show respect" for a criminal and conman--I think you know where I mean.

[DarkPhenyx]

101. Not looking for respect for Reagan.

I was hoping to find that we have some respect for ourselves. unfortunately I'm seeing far too many people who don't. Every individual cheering the death of Reagan is helping to prove that everything teh Freepers say about us is true. It would have cost us nothing to have behaved ourselves for a few days. It does cost us, however, to behave in that fashion that many seem to be reveling in.

You don't have to be rich to be an ill-mannered child. All you have to be is ill-mannered.

[ima_sinnic]

94. what the **** does "safely in the ground" mean?

what is the required time period for this "decorum" that we are supposed to show?
please tell us, Miss Manners.
really, I would like to know. since his corpse is "lying in state" for his worshippers to file past and snivel over, I assume we have to wait through that. And do we have to wait through the nauseating spewl that is about to be unleashed across the country about what a great man he was--the LIES to that effect. We should bite our tongues during that? Please tell me when we are allowed to speak the truth about a conman, liar and traitor.

It was the same when Nixon died. For years he was reviled as a loathsome liar and wash-up; when he died, suddenly he was admired and nobody could find a bad word to say about the creep. And for what purpose? He didn't earn any respect so why should any have been granted? The act of dying does not magically make someone respectable, no matter how much you might wish it.

The fact that you frame your argument in such trite and meaningless terms--"safely in the ground" (are we to believe he is dangerous until he is belowground?)--tells me that it is based on hollow formalities, unconscious ritualism and nothing else.

[Cannikin]

6. I think so...

That type of behavior is expected from the free republic types.
But it shocks me to see it from a the site I've called 'home page' for many months now. If we only show respect to like-minded folks, how are we any better than them?

And all of the 'but what about when THEY said..' post. So what? You still want to reduce yourself to that behavior?

LOTS of pots calling kettles black the past few days.





Laugh at them, but dont become one of them!

[DarkPhenyx]

15. Thanks Cannikin.

Nicely and succinctly put.

[Servo300]

16. well said (n/t)

[Kanary]

20. y'know, I'd be a lot more sympathetic to these calls not to stoop

to their level, if it wasn't for one small thing........

From the time I first discovered DU, it's been clear that it's perfectly acceptable to say whatever harsh , dismissive and inflammtory thing to another Dem, with no worries about how "that looks to freepers". And there's been many instances of just that again today.

Doesn't it strike you as rather strange that it's Ok to trash another Dem, but not "speak ill" of a president who was responsible for the deaths of thousands and thousands?

Is it just all "image"?

Kanary

[DarkPhenyx]

35. Except for one thing.

The Dems we criticize aren't less than a week dead.

[Kanary]

38. Oh. I. See.

So, it's Ok to tell another Dem and DUer to go **** themselves, as long as they are still breathing.

But, if we get word that person has died, then we best suddenly be nice?

????

Y'know, a friend of mine said many years ago not to send flowers when she dies. She said that if people can't send flowers when she's alive and can enjoy 'em, then to forget the flowers. I think that thought fits in here somewhere.

Kanary

[DarkPhenyx]

43. Pretty much.

It's called having class and style. We would have lost nothing by waiting a respectful period, which wouldn't have been long, and if we didn't ahve anything nice to say waiting and saying nothing at all.

By contrast spouting false praise is not a better route. To quote my Dad at his Mother's funeral. "I don't know who that woman was they were talking about but I sure would have loved to meet her." Eulogize them honestly, but don't speak ill of the dead at their funeral. ther will be time enough later for that, and we have enemies enough that are still alive that we should focus our venom on.

[Kanary]

81. deleting dupe

[Kanary]

82. Obviously you're on your own track -- I said nothing about eulogies

Sounds to me you're having your own conversation.

What I was getting at is the hypocrisy of telling others to not speak their feelings
about a man who has blood on his hands, yet it's OK to blast, with whatever crude
words, your fellow Dems.

Of course, then you expect them to donate and work for the Party.

Respect and common courtesy begins at home.

Kanary

[DarkPhenyx]

105. You are right.

This was a point I was trying to make. We should start execrising respect and common courtesy. Like right now. with have enough respect for ourselves adn our goals to shut up about Reagan for a couple days. that way we wouldn't be doing the damage that we have been.

For the record I don't "expect" anyone to doante and work for the party.

[Walt Starr]

21. Repeat after me, "It just doesn't Fucking Matter!"

If we are decent to the evil fucks, they'll still piss on us, and maybe faster. They're bullies. If we fight back tooth and nail, they might just slink back to their evil fucking holes.

[DarkPhenyx]

36. So they do.

And you are assuming that you can't fight back and still be a decent person. It is perfectly possible to fight back just as hard and maintain your human dignity. It's harder to do, and not always as immediately gratifying.

Still, as I've said before, I'd rather die financially destitute than morally bankrupt.

[amber dog democrat]

26. Good point.

I like the evolutionary image. Cute - made me laugh.

[LTR]

28. Wow! I recognize that 'evolution' sig!

Looks good! B-)

I haven't used that one in a while, since I created it.

Nice to see it again after so long.

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

30. I'm not reducing myself to anything. I'm wondering if we're being suckered

into lurkers posting and claiming to be DUers and having that reflect on us true blue DU folks.

[DarkPhenyx]

37. I'm sure some of that is happening.

Just as I am sure of two other things. 1) Not all of the people posting the rabid posts are trools. Some are long established DU members. 2) Even if the opening post is from a troll, it's still DU'er responding.

[progressivebydesign]

45. You mean lurkers who have 1,000+ posts?

I appreciate what you're saying.. but look at the threads. These are well-known, long-time DUers writing that crap. Can't blame it on the lurkers.. Everyone had low post numbers at one time here. None of us started at 1,000.

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

48. True - true. It was just a question and I do see what you're saying

I know a few 1000+ posters who have spewed some real hate towards Reagan and I can't help but believe that they are just reacting angrily to the lionizing of Reagan in the media. I can't believe that these folks actually mean the man and his family to suffer. I could be wrong and also these are only a few of the 1000+ posters of whom you mention. I was just asking.

[DarkPhenyx]

53. I just got this from a friend in a PM.

"I have currently made the decision to avoid the Reagan issue for a while for my own personal emotional and psychic well-being. I'm avoiding the tv and the radio and mostly staying out of the Reagan threads. I've managed to find a space where I don't feel anything about him and I'd like it to stay that way. If I have to listen to him get lionized I won't be able to hold onto that...I'll get angry. I don't want to let him have that kind of power over me ever again."

I particularly like that last part. If even in death your enemy has this kind of power over you then he truly has won.

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

57. That's definately a good idea for people who find this hard to deal with

I have made up my mind years and years ago about this so I'll ask some questions and make some statements. Some folks are really freaking out about this, I think they should step aside and take a breather.

Others, like yourself, are trying to get some calm discussion going - KUDOS TO YOU. Others still are trying to give people a safe place to vent this natural response to the media circle jerk about Raygun - which I think is also good. We'll get through this mess and be even more sharply focused on the election, IMHO!

I do believe that some really good folks have been whipped up into a fury by the Reagan leg humping frenzy the media is pumping out (I don't have a TV so maybe thats why I'm calm) and need to vent. I think these loyal, normally chill DU folks will come around to a more balanced view. You have to admit alot of the points they state to base their hate are valid. I do reiterate I LOATHED AND LOATHED THE REAGAN PRESIDENCY AND IT'S LEGACY. So I feel we all need patience and, for those of us who can stomach it, some real discussion.

/end rant

:)

[Baltimoreboy]

14. More importantly

How do you stop VETERAN DUers with post counts in the thousands from posting this kind of hate?

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

31. You can't stop them. Its called freedom of speech. We can calm them and

find out that they don't hate the man they hate the legacy. I know inside that's what they're talking about.

[Baltimoreboy]

42. They DO hate the man, they have made that much clear

Frankly, while I hate his legacy, I hate theirs as well.

[Forkboy]

84. When my legacy involves thousands of deaths

I'll have earned your hate.

[Baltimoreboy]

89. Many presidential decisions end up meaning life or death

And there isn't a president who hasn't made choices that have meant both life and death. You can't run a nation of 280 million or so without that.

Don't worry, you likely won't earn my hate. Most of those expressing such pathetic hate here aren't significant enough to be worthy of the time.

[Forkboy]

106. Please,dont insult my intelligence

I know President have tough decisions to make.But to make decisions that YOU DONT HAVE TO MAKE,that cost thousands of lives is bullshit and evil.

And I couldn't give two shits as to whether or not I'm "worthy" of anything from some internet poster.

[Baltimoreboy]

109. In theory, the president could save millions of lives

Look at Africa. Look at Asia. Both places have starvation as a common reality. The president could change that. However, there is a limit to how many things any president can get done. Kennedy, FDR and Clinton all knew that.

[Forkboy]

115. We're not talking theory

we're talking what Reagan actually did (or didn't do in some cases).

[salin]

17. Guess they miss the point that in another time

Their beloved Reagan could have fallen victim to Aids... didn't he break up his first marraige due to a relationship outside of marriage with Nancy? Wasn't one of his marriages a shot gun marriage due to sex outside of the marriage? This man was promiscuous in his own day - and apparently to unprotected sex - just during a safer time.

But this is probably someone who agreed with Falwell per the attacks of 911. Wasn't the terrorists faults - it was liberals fault.

[leftofthedial]

41. no. it means even lurkers know the truth about Reagan

I have to piss on his grave because it is no longer possible to piss on him.

[progressivebydesign]

44. Sorry.. it's the long time posters doing it!

I'm getting burned out (as a three year DUer, and 4000+ poster) of this paranoia of ALL new members of DU. My Mom, who is as liberal as they come, posts here occasionally, but is under 100 posts. Whenever someone doesn't agree with her, they attack her for being a "freeper" or "troll" because she has low post numbers.

The vomitous behaviour about Reagan's passing was perpetrated by very WELL KNOWN DUers.. NOT trolls. That's what makes it even more embarrassing and disgusting. When the sad day comes for one of our sentimental Democratic icons to pass away, I guess it would be groovy for Free Republic, Lucianne, etc. to completely piss on the guy's grave. Right? You know that DU has some major issues when you realize your rightwing counterpart is FreeRepublic. Does that ever give you pause to question some of the out-of-touch, rude, divise shit on DU? It does for me.

[johnfunk]

47. Pissing on Ronnie's grave = trickle-down tribute?

n/t

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

49. Wow - I want to laugh....haha - that is funny!

I'm sorry - funny is funny!

[MarkTwain]

56. Lurker ? Hah !

How Dare Anyone Impugn the Integrity of members who have deeply held feelings about that piece of shit, Ronald Reagan. Lurker? Hah....

Username: MarkTwain
Profile name Profile value
Member since 2001
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City MIAMI
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Point One: Unlike so many in the last year, I elect not to be a "four digit wonder" posting trivialities and "welcomes" at every pass of the second hand past the twelve. If that makes me, a member for over three years now, a "lurker" in someone's narrow definition of such, that's their problem or their desperation to explain seriously held beliefs of other members here vis-a-vis their need to be a board nanny.

Point Two: Should I find myself in the vicinity of "The Great Communicator's" grave, I'll make sure I have a few Heinekens before I unzip at the tombstone.

Reagan is the one bastard responsible, now twenty years removed, for the wingnut fundies, their influence, and their "credibility" on the national stage which we now suffer and which now finds this grand experiment call America about ready to be called a failure as a result of the last three years of Bush. Bush, a direct result of what Ronald Reagan started.

Hey Ron! How's the heat down there in Hell?

[DarkPhenyx]

60. Yup!

The good folks over at FreeRepublic were definatly right about some of us. I really hate saying that too.

[MarkTwain]

64. I Respectfully suggest...

... that catching moonbeams and picking daisies is not, from any perspective, the way to fight the pernicious evil which has taken over this country - an evil which was launched and given credibility by Reagan, a man who died about seventeen years ago but finally is being buried this week.

You're welcome to the last word since I don't intend to engage in any further debate with you. Your behaviour on this thread is, to say the least, excessively tedious in mouthing the same banal platitudes with very little meaning in the real world of the politic.

Ghandi is no match for Karl Rove, Dick Cheney, Tom Delay, Matt Drudge, Carl Mellon Scaife, Jerry Falwell, Pat Robetson, Anne Coulter, Tony Snow, or any of the other thousands of this cast which was given a stage by the one and only Ron Reagan.

So, pooh pooh and admonish us sinners all you wish; your obsessive posting in this thread obviously fills some tragic need on your part to demean others of us who have a good healthy and logical hatred for this man and that which he launched upon the republic.

[DarkPhenyx]

67. It's amazing how often...

...people simply "run away" when they are losing. Or more to the point couldn't make any headway. If I seem to be saying the same thing over and over it is because you aren't listening and the message is exactly that simple.

You mention Ghandi, and a list of people who are using the tactics you are. Who is more honored in this world, Ghandi or those other people? Who is it that you respect more? I would guess that it would be Ghandi, but I could be wrong. If it is Ghandi then why are you trying so hard to be just like those other people?

[ima_sinnic]

97. if you seem to be saying the same thing over and over

it is because you are full of yourself and your empty phrases, like "safely in the ground," somewhere above in this thread. why not join the love-fest over on "the other board"? I'm sure you would find the "decorum" over there much more to your liking than the diatribes of "spoiled ill-mannered children," as you so judgmentally and irrationally called all here who piss on St. Ronnie's grave.

[DarkPhenyx]

104. I keep saying the same thing becasue...

...it is a simple concept and I can't make it any easier to understand. Of course, judging by the rest of your post, you haven't actually read anything I've written. Maybe that's why you are completely missing the point.

[ima_sinnic]

107. no, I got your point

...and I don't happen to agree with it. so what? you think everybody should do what you say?
you believe that out of "decorum" we who know Ronald Reagan to have been a criminal, liar, traitor, and murderer should just not mention those things in this "delicate" time, this time when his followers are mourning, that keeping that to ourselves would be the "polite" and "proper" thing to do.
well, I'm not you and I really don't give a rat's a** about your opinion of how people should behave--and I'll admit I don't give a rat's a**, either, about the feelings of a bunch of Reagan worshippers. If Reagan wanted people to say nice things about him after he died he should have been a better person when he was alive, while he had the chance. And as president, he had unimaginable opportunity to be a force of good in the world. But he used that power in corrupt and shameful ways and now we don't respect him after he's dead. big deal, c'est la vie.

[DarkPhenyx]

108. Exactly!

Becasue we are supposed to be better than they are, and bigger people.

[ima_sinnic]

112. don't you get tired of being so superior all the time?

I wasn't even saying anything about Reagan--I have felt total indifference to the fact of his death--until I saw your supercilious posts in this thread. Because of them I have felt obliged to post whatever I d*m well please. "We" aren't "supposed" to be anything. I am who I am, and you you. If you think you can control the postings of 45,000 people, most of whom theoretically can't stomach the thought of Ronald Reagan, you are sorely delusional and need professional help. Why don't you chill? The more you tediously harp on it, the more people--previously indifferent, like I say--are going to squirm under your admonitions and do exactly the opposite of what you want them to. Try giving it a rest and it might go away.

[DarkPhenyx]

113. Yes, actually I do.

It's kind of a curse. I've learned to live with it though. Now I just need to get the rest of the world to do the same thing.

[Forkboy]

85. I bet

[ima_sinnic]

98. yeah, "they" are definitely right--wink wink

--and I can see how it really tears you up to say that.
oh, the pain! :nopity:

[Joanne98]

58. May he rot in Hell

And I don't want to hear, "Your making us look bad". Raygun brought back greed and we're still suffering from it. I knew two people who killed themselves because of his economic terrorism. He devastated this country. Remember the "hostile takeovers". When big business forced small and medium sized factory's to sell by force. They just forced them to sell, fired the employees and locked up the plants. Unbelievable. I'm sure the black community has a few things to say about getting attacked by crack cocaine, which we now know was being sold in this country to support the Contras. As far as Russia goes, 25% of Russians live in dire poverty, thanks to their country getting looted after the wall fell. Ronald Reagan murdered millions of people. I hope they're all waiting on the other side to greet him. I feel sorry for Ron and Patti cause they had the guts to say how horrible his polices were in public. Especially Patti who blamed the LA riots on her father. Believe me I lived there and she was dead on. I'm not letting the Repigs re-write history. His polices were cruel and inhumane. I'm never forgetting that. May he receive the mercy in the afterlife that he showed to others here on earth. Justice please.

[DarkPhenyx]

72. You are making us look bad.

:shrug: Sorry, it's true.

[Joanne98]

76. I'm not a hypocrite. Sorry

[DarkPhenyx]

79. That remains to be seen.

Hopefully you are right.

[mopaul]

93. I think i finally figured out who you are 'dark phenyx'

rising from the ashes

[DarkPhenyx]

102. Really? Cool!

who am I? Tell me, tell me, tell me! :)

Oh, and it's Phenyx. Darkstar is my last name.

[ima_sinnic]

96. oh, and you'll be "the judge"?

if you want to hear respect for a conman, criminal, murderer, traitor and all-around stooge, go where he is held in high regard--certainly not around here, where those who think progressively and with compassion for their fellow humans can see the results of what he and his greed-head worshippers have wrought. just because someone dies does not mean we are no longer allowed to speak the truth about him, Miss Manners.

[DarkPhenyx]

103. And again someone insinuates that I want respect for Reagan.

And again they are so horribly wrong. I simply cannot understand why they keep missing such a simple concept.

[LittleApple81]

59. NO POST MAKES DU LOOK GOOD/BAD. Appropriateness is

defined by Skinner and the moderators. Anything that is good/bad reflects on the poster and nobody else.

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

61. Ok ok - agreed.

I'm not asking for us to "play God" and censor, I was just wondering if we're maybe being infaltrated by lurkers to our own detriment. Just a question, again.

[salin]

99. true

but perhaps some do serve to "ya, but look at the source...." sorta discredit some of the more serious writing (including some great and powerful front page articles).

[Media_Lies_Daily]

73. Who gives a flying F___ what the Freepers think anymore? Why are...

...so many DUers concerned with that radical rightwing fringe of goose-stepping loonies anyway???

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

77. Cause these are the same fucks that call Rush and Rush plays is heard

by folks who would easily be pulled back to arational way of thinking if it was well represented. In other words - people are watching.

[Sterling]

114. I think someone who listens to Rush at this late date is unsavable.

Seriously you need to target a better demographic if you want to pull votes to the Dem ticket this year.

[Susang]

83. I am outing that Freeper

You can find him here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=1730613&mesg_id=1730652

He never bothered to answer anyone who responded to his inflammatory post., so apparently he was never really interested in honest debate with us "classless animals" as he goes on to call us later in the same FR post.

[JVS]

86. IT MAKES US LOOK GREAT!

[Randypiper]

100. I have to ask

if not here, where? This is the place to vent. No matter what someone is saying, I do not believe anyone will be up in Nancy's face screaming during the funeral. This is the place to do it, for each other. If anyone wants salvos and homage there are 20 to 30 TV stations you can watch today. Some posters crossed my line too, but I don't know them and they could very well be justified in their rage. What I'm claiming is it's all appropriate here.