Fahrenheit 9-11 vs Fahrenheit 451.

[punistation]

So has anyone seen Fahrenheit 451?

Down here in Australia, my mum doesn't follow American politics that much (That's MY hobby. You people are insane. Seriously. All of you. ;-) ), but when I showed her the trailer for M&M's new movie, she asked if the title was a reference/homage to the movie Fahrenheit 451.

As a mid-twenties Aussie gal, I had NO idea what she was talking about (Ronald Ray-who?). All this stuff is before my time... or at least before I was a "grown-up." From what I've seen on the Net, the movie seems Omega Man-ish.

... not that I've seen Omega man either. Again, before my time. I've seen pop-culture references to it, though. Like on The Simpsons.

SO: has anyone seen it? Is there any direct link to S'Moore's new film?


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[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

1. I dunno about seeing Farenheit 451

But I have read it. Fantastic book.

[SheepyMcSheepster]

2. i saw some version of the movie in highschool

but the book was better, read the book, it is not too long.

[yellowcanine]

3. Wasn't Fahrenheit 451 published in 1951. How long does copyright

protection last? And also, isn't there a parody exception? It is not as if Moore is trading on the F-451 book in any way.

[HootieMcBoob]

9. You can't copyright a title

or at least that's my understanding. That's how The Replacements were able to get away with titling one of their albums "Let it Be".

[DinahMoeHum]

10. Do you recall all that hassle about "The Wind Done Gone"?

Same thing.


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[robbedvoter]

4. After readinf about Fahrenheit 451 here, seems I need a second look

My first read was in my teenage years, I saw the movie later.
I remember reading somewhere that Bradbury was mostly angry with TV at the time, then he said it was all about the Soviet Union.
A DU-er noted that the totalitarianism that led to book burning in Bradbury's book was generated by ...political correctness (the need to not offend anyone). If true, he was attacking racial sensibilities of the left in this country as well. I'd have to reread to confirm this.
One thing is sure: today, Bradbury is a dunb freeper who loves W - the edumacation preznit (may even edumacate them coloreds)

[LittleApple81]

5. Isn't that amazing? He sees the reality of his book being acted out

under Bush* and he likes him? Maybe he is suffering from softening of the brain. Or his own wealth preservation has become more important to him than anything else.

[supernova]

6. Read the book F451; then you'll be

in a better position to judge the movie, which I haven't seen. Eventhough Bradbury has lately been a crank, saying basicially that Moore's movie should be set alight, F451 is a very important work in the psyche of the American left. And anyone who values freedom of thought, speech, and the free exchange of ideas. The book is quite chilling.

Welcome to DU, punistation from North Carolina. :toast: :hi:

[hexola]

7. I have the movie on VHS...been awhile since I read the book....

I was thinking the same thing...what does Moores title "F911" have to do with the Bradbury piece? I will make it a point to watch the movie and report back...

I guess I can't really say until F911 is out stateside...

[muriel_volestrangler]

8. Seen it and read it

and I don't think the film is great. The book's good though - it's closer to '1984' or 'Brave New World' than 'The Omega Man' - a society where books are burnt to stop the citizens getting ideas about freedom, they're encouraged in mindless consumerism, and those who step out of line are hunted down by mechanical dogs.

No particular connection to Moore's film, apart from the general theme of the dangers of a media-controlling state. Perhaps there's a slight connection with the fight he had to get "Stupid White Men" published unaltered after 9/11 - see http://www.theconversation.org/moore.html .

"Once back in New York City, the days turned into weeks, and I began to make calls to the publisher to inquire when my book would be coming out. The scheduled release date of October 2 had long since passed.

It was then that I was informed that there were "problems" with Stupid White Men.

I was told that, unless I re-wrote large sections of my book (sections mostly dealing with my harsh but funny criticisms of the W.), plus change the title and the cover – and then, after all that, reimburse the publisher of up to $100,000 out of my pocket (!) so this new version could be reprinted – then the powers-that-be might actually destroy the ENTIRE run of 50,000 copies that had already been printed! My book would be sent to the shredder and "pulped." I would then have to wait for up to a year before I could take it to another publisher. In other words, the book would be toast."

I guess he liked the number similarity of 'four five one' and 'nine one one'. The orginal title is (falsely) said to be the temperature at which paper spontaneously combusts; so he's taken as his tagline "the temperature where freedom burns'.

[Wilber_Stool]

11. Your right about one thing.

We are all crazy as hell. Every last one of us.

[Emmanuel Goldstein]

12. Fahrenheit 451 vs. Fahrenheit 9/11

Fahrenheit 451 refers to the temperature at which paper burns (e.g. "celsius 232"). Fahrenheit 9/11 is a play on that title, representing the threshhold at which American democracy vaporizes.