Jeez! How scary is it when you find yourself agreeing with Pat Buchanan?

[ElementaryPenguin]

Sounding (gulp) like the voice of reason as the former Nixoncrat destroys the Neocon Busheviks in impressive fashion!

:shrug:

http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=38815

[still_one]

1. amazing...

[ElementaryPenguin]

4. Maybe ya can teach an old fascist some new tricks!

Pat clearly has no use for the BFEE/PNAC wing of the Repuke party.

:wtf:

[k in IA]

2. It has been a scarily frequent experience since he was against

the Iraq war.

I really think a lot of Conservatives wouldn't have been for the Iraq War but were scared to say too much against it. Dick Army did for a while but then he jumped on the train too.

That War was radical (and insane) certainly not conservative.

[ElementaryPenguin]

5. Little about bushco is truly conservative!

:puke:

[k in IA]

12. I know. All the traditional labels for the Repug party don't apply

anymore since the Fundy Christians have taken over the social policies and the neo-cons have taken over the foreign policies.

[physioex]

3. I agreed with him for a long time on CERTAIN issues...

His views on foreign policy are truly intelligent. He dislikes the fact we are involved in the middle east and give soo much foreign aid to Israel. He believes we should mind our own business...The rest of him is totally dispicable...

[DinahMoeHum]

6. He's useful to us, but I'd still keep him at arm's length.

n/t

:evilfrown:

[AP]

9. He's an isolationist. He's not Truman, FDR, JFK, or Clinton when it comes

to FP.

Criticizing Bush FP doesn't make him a friend of liberals.

[sangh0]

7. I wouldn't know

I have a strict policy about things like that. I never agree with creeps like Pat, even when I do. Even when we agree, we disagree. When Pat says "Bush is bad", I say "Pat is not with me. Bush* *IS* bad, but I'm being honest when I say it. Pat is lying"

[AP]

8. Again I ask: Why is Pat pulling so much love at DU lately? Is everyone on

drugs?

[ElementaryPenguin]

11. Pat ain't pullin' any "love" from me, AP - I just agree with him on this

Particular point. If you had a chance to read his piece, you'd see that he truly did an excellent job with it (though I normally can't stand the putz).

:shrug:

[AP]

17. There are two posts a day saying, "hey I agree with Buchanan."

What exactly do you like in that article?

[sangh0]

20. Why agree with Bushcanon?

What good does it do? Why not just keep your mouth shut about it, or do you see that as causing some irreparable harm like depriving DU of valuable intelligence?

[Forkboy]

22. Yeah buddy,why dont you just keep your mouth shut

what do think this is,some kind of internet message board or something?

[AP]

23. At the very least, people could be more specific about what they're...

...agreeing with. These blanket credibility boosters give me the anal willies.

Buchanan makes me sick. I've heard him say too many things that prove he's the enemy of progress, and seeing "hey, I agree with Buchanan" remind me of the day that some asshole here said, "hey, I agree with David Duke" and who, whe pressed, started defending some pretty anti-semitic racist BS.

[Forkboy]

25. He's a scumbag I agree

Down in I/P I'm being asked to take Michelle Malkin seriously because she's supposedly right about something.It's like handing someone a turd covered cookie.Some will scrape the turd away and still eat it I guess :shrug:

[AP]

28. This article isn't even arguing anything and people are praising it.

It's just a laundry list of mistakes with a question at the end that Buchanan doesn't answer.

How can you praise him for pointing out the obvious without wondering what Pat thinks is the answer to his question?

People, you do know what Pat thinks the answer to that question is, don't you? It's isolationism. It's not liberal internationalism. It's what the Republicans believed when Woodrow Wilson wanted a league of nations.

If Wilson had succeeded, there might not have been a WWII. Republicans who believe what Buchanan believes stood in Wilson's way because they thought global instability increased profits.

So what exaclty is it that people like about Buchanan these last couple days?

[Eloriel]

26. That's pretty unfair, AP

Buchanan has long been on record as against the war. It's NOT a sin -- nor is it anti-Semitic or racist -- to agree with him on that issue.

Truth be told, I myself am finding that I can actually embrace (yes, embrace) some of those "true conservatives" who are finding Bush not to their liking. It certainly doesn't mean I've turned conservative, nor does it lessen or weaken my own commitment to progressive values, nor does it mean I agree with the stuff of theirs I DON'T agree with. But the world would be a better place if Congress were populated with a bunch more "true conservatives" than the neo-con extremist fundie freaks we've got in there now.

[ElementaryPenguin]

30. Well said, Eloriel.

Feels curious to be accused of/and I suppose act like a Buchanan supporter, but when a lifelong conservative admits that the leadership of the Repuke party is wrong - perhaps criminally wrong - THAT'S indeed noteworthy!

:crazy:

[AP]

31. Are you an isolationist too?

What exactly are you agreeing with. Buchancan states a series of facts any fool can see. But you understand the point of his question at that end, don't you.

Buchancan wants to argue for isolationism. That the other pole on an axis of debate on which right wingers would LOVE to argue about the war.

[nightperson]

32. Being an isolationist doesn't mean being a pariah on the left.

Nope. And please remember FDR and Truman are also icons to the neocons.

[AP]

36. The neocons are organized around being anti-FDR.

[nightperson]

39. No.

Irving Kristol long ago said neoconservatism's "20th-century heroes tend to be TR, FDR, and Ronald Reagan".

[AP]

41. The liked FDR's tools, but they didn't like what he used them to do.

And a lot of the neocon foreign policy is done to a domestic agenda which is the complete antithesis to what FDR stood for.

Furthermore, FDR wanted peace abroad through liberal internationalism so that domestic policy could be more progressive. He saw chaos abroad as a tool to bring fascism home.

The Republicans use conservative intervention abroad to promote chaos in order to bring fascism home to America.

[AP]

24. Maybe RW'ers are hoping to peel off Kerry support by confusing...

...democrats into thinking Pat B's isolationism is a reasonable alternative to Bush's imperialism.

To me, they're two sides to the same RW coin. But if I were a RW'er, that's definitely the axis on which I'd want to have that debate. I'd want to keep liberal internationalism (of the WW-FDR-HST variety) totally out of the discussion.

[Domitan]

44. Oh come on

Don't you know how people mark out over a "heel who goes face"?

*translation: many people rally behind individuals that they loved to hate if those individuals support some of their issues against those who are more hateful*

[Canuckistanian]

10. Yeah, he savages neocons like a true progressive!

I remember reading some article about the neocons, Perle, Feith, Cheney, etc and their beginnings at the early PNAC conferences. And I thought wow, this guy nailed it. Then I looked at the byline - Pat Buchanan. Wow.
Well, now I have more respect for the man from whom I stole my DU name. Not a lot. Just a little more.

[ElementaryPenguin]

14. I'll admit to liking him better than BushCheneyRumsfeldRoveWolfmanDelay...

I'll admit that much.

[ElectroPrincess]

19. What freaks me out ...

Hey Buchanan is similar to "old conservatives" of our father's era. More and more conservatives are taking on that Neo-liberalism aura. It's scary. Many members of the radical right wing disown John McCain, Chuck Hagel, and John Warner (anyone who disagrees with Herr Bush) as NOT a true Republican, i.e., RINO, Republicans In Name Only. Further, they disown Buchanan as "an isolationist." And degrade the Pentagon Military General Officer staff purged and publically chastised by the Military Science Scholar (NOT!)Wolfowitz before the Iraqi Invasion ... termed by wingers as "Disgruntled Former Employees." <snicker>

BTW I've never been a die-hard Tom Clancy fan but his book based on General (Ret) Anthony Zinni's highly distinguished career, which fully covers the circumstances leading to his resignation as Middle East Envoy due to BushCo's decision to invade Iraq IS of FIVE STAR ***** Quality (tacky pun deliberate). If you have the opportunity, please purchase and/or share with your progressive friends.

[Shredr]

13. I guess Kerry is right

Just step back and let them destroy each other.

[ElementaryPenguin]

16. This election is more about HATING Bush than LOVING Kerry!

Unfortunately (or fortunately), hating Bush is a waaaay more powerful force. So we have to go with that.

[kaitykaity]

15. It's useful to send things like this

(from conservowack web sites) to my favorite conservowack
friend who dismisses everything sourced from our side out of
hand.

[ElementaryPenguin]

18. An excellent use!

Repukes are far more impressed when it comes (the truth) from the right. (on that rare occasion)

[kaitykaity]

21. It works really well.

I'm basically destroying him with stuff from George Will,
David Brooks, William Kristol, and so forth. Now this
from Buchanan gives me even more ammo.

Cool.

[nightperson]

35. Some more

ammo from Republican John J. Duncan.

[kaitykaity]

38. Forwarded to my favorite wingnut.

Thank you.

:hi:

[izzie]

27. He that lies with the dogs, riseth with fleas----------

Who is to say Pat is wrong. I think Bush was right to go after the terrorists but I do not think I care how he did it and Iraq was the wrong country.

[redstateblues]

43. Buchanan

as reprehensible as some of his other views are, he has been dead right about Chimp's foreign policy since way back when all the Dems were caving, and the neocons tried to bust his kneecaps.

[hippiegranny]

29. pat should run

buchanan for pres - 2004!!!

[Waverley_Hills_Hiker]

33. Impressive, Buchanen refers to the Ems Telegram.

A famous (to historians) diplomatic incident.

Yet, there is always the fain whiff of anti-semitism to Pat Buchanen.

[evil_orange_cat]

34. every so often, Buchanan seems to make sense...

but then again, a broken clock is right twice a day... ;)

[mmonk]

37. Yes its unusual to agree with Pat

but that's what extremism does. It brings others (that usually have nothing much in common) to points where they agree on a specific item or two.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

40. O thank GOODNESS I'm not the only one

and YES it is a VERY scary, look outside and make sure pigs aren't flying, experience!!!!!

[nightperson]

42. "If the neocons are being stuffed into the Hefty bags of history...".

I wish more Democrats were as fun to read. Some of the interest or disinterest here in Pat may just boil down to preferences about stuff like writing style and sense of humor.