If Bush gets reselected, but Dems recapture Congress,do they impeach him?

[ElementaryPenguin]

As far as I'm concerned, the crimes of Bushler warrant something far more punitive than simply having the remorseless, arrogant SOB <sniff, sniff, sob, sob> lose his job (like millions have under him). No. Merely being voted out of an office that the Evil War Chimp was never really voted into, is hardly a just punishment for the long laundry list of crimes perpetrated by him and his rogue, outlaw administration!

If we're to ever prevent or discourage future administrations from partaking in the type of outrageous criminal behavior presently exemplified by the incredibly brazen BushCo misadministration - these very guilty people are going to have to be PROSECUTED AND MADE EXAMPLES OF - EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THEM! Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rove & Co. - they are nothing less than a band of out-of-control gangster war criminals - and must ultimately be held responsible for their crimes - or guess what, people? THIS WILL HAPPEN AGAIN AND AGAIN - WHENEVER FASCIST ELEMENTS OF CORPORATE AMERICA, PARTICULARLY WITHIN THE MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX AND THE MASS MEDIA - are in place to pull just the kinds of strings that are presently being pulled.

It's debatable whether the world can actually survive even one more full term of BushCo - let alone yet another criminal administration or two right behind it!

The Tom Delay Brownshirts in Dade County, the blatant fixing and stealing the election in Fla., Enron, 9-11, the Plame outing, the Iraq war, Torturegate...these ruthless monsters have gotten away with ALL of these and much more! When and where does a line in the sand finally get drawn - by the Dems? by the press? by us, the American people? - when that which must be said - FINALLY gets said - "ENOUGH - NO MORE - YOU'RE VIOLATING OUR SACRED CONSTITUTION - YOU'RE OUT OF HERE!" It HAS to be now! Just as Nixon was stopped by Watergate - Bushler and BushCo must be stopped NOW by the plethora of scandals that have already been revealed - take your pick - or God help us, we could be looking at JebCo in 2008, even if Chimpy IS voted out!

I'm hoping, I'm praying, I'm truly believing that Kerry will win no matter what "surprises" are in store...but...if we should "somehow" lose - but still take back Congress - it's IMPERATIVE that these traitors be immediately dealt with in accordance with their crimes! Until this is accomplished, no matter what the outcome of the presidential race - we have no chance to truly reinstate our Constitution, and no chance to restore America to a nation that adheres to the rule of law.

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[Demobrat]

1. Forget it.

Kerry will pardon them all for the good of the country.

[ElementaryPenguin]

2. Perhaps if the Dems in Congress had impeached Raygun over IranContra

We wouldn't find ourselves today oppressed by the likes of BushCo!

:think:

[Demobrat]

3. Did you mean to say would not have?

I'm assuming you did.

[ElementaryPenguin]

4. You assumed correctly. (just edited it)

thanks

[tom_paine]

13. That is correct. The question is did these Dems learn anything

from the past two deacdes.

My fear and speculation is that they the Leadership hasn't.

[fdr_hst_fan]

11. Kerry won't

do it-he wouldn't get the chance; they'll ALL be pardoned on national television the night of Jan 19th by Dubya himself! Haven't you noticed that that has become an inauguration-eve event?

[forgethell]

5. In your wildest dreams,

we may recapture both houses of Congress. So maybe we could impeach *. But there is no scenario possible by which we could gain 2/3 of the Senate, so * would serve out his term, just like Bill Clinton did.

Sorry.

[ThoughtCriminal]

17. That's what Nixon thought

Democrats did not have 2/3 then. But by the time the House was ready to vote, enough Republicans in the Senate were ready join in and remove Nixon. The WH counted the noses and resigned first. The Republicans that were not in very safe states knew their careers were in trouble if they didn't jump ship.

It really takes more than smoking guns too. In 1974 the country was in an ugly mood. Stagflation, oil embargo, post-Vietnam distrust all combined to make the public ready for a change.

If Bush has a 2nd term, 1974 is going to look utopian by 2006.

[forgethell]

27. OK,

but don't hold your breath. The country is far more polarized than it was then, and Republicans have our example of sticking together to inspire them to do the same. Nixon did not want to be impeached, Clinton wanted to stay in office. Would Nixon have been convicted if he had been impeached. Probably, but we'll never know, because he resigned.

[Red State Rebel]

6. What seriously provable offenses do you think

he could be impeached for? I know we are frustrated about a lot of things, but I haven't seen anything yet that is legally provable or impeachable unless it's something I'm not thinking of.

[Demobrat]

7. The Plame outing is looking good.

He did have to hire a lawyer and all....Not that I'm getting my hopes up though.

[AntiCoup2K4]

18. Considering his own father is the one who made it a crime to do so....

...he certainly can't claim ignorance of the law ;)

[Cocoa]

12. lying about WMD in the State of the Union

it doesn't need to be proved, I saw it myself, I'm sure someone has it on tape.

[wiggs]

14. there are many!

Impeachable:

Lying to Congress regarding Iraq threat (at end of Watergate it was determined that lying to Congress is an impeachable offense)...Niger falsehood, falsehoods given to congresspersons in private sessions

Lying to Congress regarding Medicare costs

Moving 700,000,000 from Afganistan to Iraq planning without Congress authorization

Leaking Plame

Sibel Edmonds (don't know what the issue is exactly but it's hot...something to do with advance warning of 9/11, payments to Pakistan, huge money interests in 9/11, FBI cover ups....)

Showing secret war plan to Bandahr

Leaking Iran secrets to Chalabi

Being found guilty of Harken insider trading

Directing or failing to stop war crimes (torture)


If there's the will, there's plenty of ammunition without even getting close to conspiracy theory stuff.

[Qutzupalotl]

23. Sibel Edmonds

says her work as a translator for an intelligence agency was routinely erased at the end of the day, after she left. She was working on intercepts of (IIRC) al Qaeda conversations. Guess she was getting too close to uncovering the 9/11 plot. The reasons given for the destruction of her files was to prove that the agency needed more funding. That sounds to me like they were willing to let something BIG happen, but whether that was really for additional funding or some other reason, I don't know.

She was supposed to have been on 60 Minutes last Sunday, but got bumped because of Reagan. Hope they reschedule her soon!

[Red State Rebel]

15. Ok, I can see the Plame thing

if it's proven he knew it was being done on purpose and did nothing to stop it.

The lying about WMD is not a winner. I don't think you could ever prove he knew the information was wrong. It's one thing to knowingly lie, it's another thing to make the mistake of listening to lies from CIA/FBI and relaying them.

Plus, if it were illegal for politicians to lie in speeches, all of them would be in prison!

[Qutzupalotl]

22. Tenet told him it was a forgery in October 2002.

Even advised him not to use it. Bush tried to avoid being charged with lying to congress by prefacing it with, "The British government has learned." Trouble is, that's still an intentional deception. Oh yeah, and 10,000 people are dead without cause.

[ThomWV]

8. Without Exception

I would imprison every single god damned one of them.

[CityZen-X]

9. Good Point!

But if this maggot brain scum of the Earth steals this election, again. I will be the reality of CityZen-X, with my faith X-iting stage left!!!

[loudsue]

10. I think it may be more serious than you think, Elementary....

check out this thread I started earlier today. It had dropped off the front page, but it's back up.

Not to worry about bush.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1755339

:kick:

[hippiegranny]

19. very interesting article

how credible is fromthewilderness? i long for it to be true!

[loudsue]

20. Mike Rupert is my personal hero.

He was the cop that fingered the CIA in drug sales, and has many "insiders" who he is close to. His research and his knowledge of the workings of the CIA is vast.

He's a little sloppy on some details, but his overall research concerning the big picture is always spot on.

:kick::kick::kick:

[Pepperbelly]

16. Cheney first, then Bush! nt

[mmonk]

21. This is the new America

Your guess is as good as mine. The democratic republic is dead unless someone brings it back to life.

[Democat]

24. Not these wimpy Dems representing us now!

They don't seem to have what it takes to fight for us.

It will take many more years to replace these wimps with fighters.

[Blue Wally]

25. We cannot afford

to keep voting people off the island who may not be as ideologically pure as we would like. It was the "big tent" Democratic party that carried huge congressional majorities from 1954 to 1980. As we have made the tent smaller we have lost both houses of congress.

[Cleita]

26. I doubt if they will.

Our corporate selected Democrats aren't ones to rock the boat with truth and justice.