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Richardo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 04:19 PM
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"That's what contempt of Congress is all about"
Edited on Wed Jun-09-04 04:33 PM by Richardo
Quote of the year by Senator Richard Durbin (D-IL), after Ashcroft refused to produce the memos for the Senate Committee regarding Justice Department's "approval" of torture :

"Mr Attorney General, with all due respect, your personal belief is not a law. And you are not citing a law. And you are not claiming executive privilege. And frankly that is what contempt of Congress is all about. You have to give us a specific legal authority which gives you the right to say 'no'. Or the President has to claim privilege. And you've done neither."

:thumbsup: YES!! When I heard this exchange on NPR this morning while driving to work I pumped my fist so enthusiastically that I almost put a new sunroof in my car. Plus my knuckles are sore. But it was worth it hearing someone stand up to that jerk.



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Dropkick Donating Member (142 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 04:20 PM
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1. Finally!!
Thank goodness some people (in congress) are starting to stand up to this bullcrap and call them on things!
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FleshCartoon Donating Member (592 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 04:22 PM
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2. Heh.
Wasn't it wonderful?
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MaryH Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 04:33 PM
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3. Wonderful
And pretty funny. The senators had Ashcroft really rattled.

Biden was wonderful and so was Kennedy.
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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 05:18 PM
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11. What did Kennedy say?
I missed him.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 05:47 PM
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14. I didn't see Durbin or Kennedy this morning but
Biden surprised me...

What pissed me was when Ashcroft stated that he has a son in the service too. Does he? Probably in some safe position.
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Senior citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 04:34 PM
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4. Yes, that's contempt of Congress.

Now if only our contemptible Congress had the votes to do something about it.
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CityZen-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 04:42 PM
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6. Bottom Line
If this contemptible Congress has the moral ineptitude to do something?!
Money talks, and Bu$h*t walks!!!!!
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 04:39 PM
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5. Yup. When I saw that yesterday, I did a whopping "woooo hoooo"!!! n/t
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MnFats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 04:48 PM
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7. so when do they issue this contempt citation?
i really, really want to see the image of Ashcroft being arrested. Cuffed, hands behind his back. I want to see the cops offer to put his suitcoat over his head for the 'perp walk.'
In fact, I want to see Dubya, Cheney, Rumsfeld and all the rest of them doing a perpwalk to a paddy wagon....
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Richardo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 04:59 PM
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8. Penalty: One year in jail (!) and $1,000 (or is it $10,000?) in fines.
Edited on Wed Jun-09-04 05:00 PM by Richardo
But will NEVER happen with GOP control of Congress...

Contempt of Congress

In the federal law of the United States, contempt of Congress is the crime of obstructing the work of Congress, with a punishment of up to one year in prison and up to $1,000 (?) in fines.
Congress generally brings this action for refusing to testify before a Congressional committee, or failing to provide a committee with requested documents. There have also been contempt cases based on bribing a Senator or Representative.

In order to be convicted of contempt of Congress, the congressional committee subject to the contempt first reports a resolution that the affected individual is guilty of contempt. This takes a majority vote of the committee. The full House or Senate then must approve the resolution, which sends the matter to a federal attorney, who may call a grand jury to decide whether to indict the affected individual, and prosecute if the grand jury affirms an indictment. This version of the procedure was put into place in 1857 and exists in order to provide a balance of power so the House and Senate cannot run amok and jail all their political opponents with contempt charges. The Congress is also restricted in that contempt citations can only be brought on matters that relate to legislative purposes within the jurisdiction of the committee that brings the charges.

From time to time, Congress lodges contempt of Congress charges against members of the U.S. government, usually members of the executive branch who claim that releasing their records to a committee would cause more harm than good, or sometimes that the records are protected by executive privilege and must remain secret. This can put the executive branch in an unusual ethical position, since the executive branch employs the U.S. Attorney, who decides whether to bring cases of contempt of Congress to the grand jury. In addition, it is often the U.S. Attorney who advises executive branch members in the first place whether to withhold controversial documents or provide them to the congressional committees.

For example, Henry Kissinger, James Watt, and Janet Reno have all been cited by Congress for contempt, though in all these cases the Congress and the executive branch subsequently reached an agreement on the delivery of documents before the matter reached a grand jury. In cases involving delivery of documents, Congress currently seems to view contempt of Congress as a tool to reach an agreement with the executive branch, rather than as a law to punish the contemptuous.

Various U.S. states have statewide contempt of Congress crimes on the books, in those cases for obstructing the work of the state congress.

http://www.fact-index.com/c/co/contempt_of_congress.html
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 05:12 PM
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9. Dick Durbin is a National Treasure!
And MY Senator. WooHoo! I just love that man.

The cabal is in BIG trouble! :bounce:
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mandyky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 05:16 PM
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10. A Billy Jack quote applies here -
When the law breaks the law, there is no law....
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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 05:19 PM
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12. HA.....one tin (foil hat) soldier.....
ever see the first Billy Jack movie, where he shoots Jeremy Slate right in the center of his heart shaped sunglasses?

now THAT was a movie!
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mandyky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 05:21 PM
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13. My favorite movie and theme song
One Tin Soldier just about says it all -

"Go ahead and hate a neighbor, go ahead and cheat a friend,
Do it in the name of Heaven, you can justify it in the end"....
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 05:55 PM
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15. How about this response from Ashcroft?
Ashcroft said he would not discuss the contents of the Justice and Pentagon memos, and would not turn over the Justice memo to the committee. "I believe it is essential to the operation of the executive branch that the president have the opportunity to get information from the attorney general that is confidential," he said.

Wasn't Clinton forced to turn over documents of the same type and the Evil 5 Justices ruled against the White House?
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