I don't know about the arguments used to keep slavery going. But listening

[LittleApple81]

to Randi, she was pulverizing Colmes, and she mentioned the fact that the conservatives use the bible to justify all their crap. Did they use the Bible to justify slavery? If they did, then they would be using the same reasoning to justify discriminating against gay marriage.
Any historians who could help me with this?

[FleshCartoon]

1. I believe they did...

...something about one of the son's of Noah who was supposedly black (?!) and doomed to live in slavery by god for not covering Noah's nakedness when he was drunk, or some such bull.

When I was 4 or 5 (I live in Mississippi), we little white kids had a kindergarten teacher who actually taught us in class that god made people black because they were evil. Can you imagine a teacher getting away with telling little kids something like that? It didn't take with me--my mother set me straight as soon as I passed this little titbit on to her, but think of the little blank-slate minds who might've actually grown up believing this bull.

Sorry. Didn't mean to go off on a rant, but using religion to oppress people is a real pet-peeve of mine.

[JustFiveMoreMinutes]

2. From Dredd-Scott

"On the contrary, they were at that time considered as a subordinate and inferior class of beings, who had been subjugated by the dominant race, and, whether emancipated or not, yet remained subject to their authority, and had no rights or privileges but such as those who held the power and the government might choose to grant them."

Dominant Race? Probably Biblical in declaration don't you suppose?

Definitely Manifest Destiny was God's given grace to extend to the Pacific and take land from the Indians, another inferior class of beings.

[ThoughtCriminal]

3. Southern Baptists

"In 1845, the SBC was founded on the premise that the Bible sanctions slavery and it is okay for Christians to own slaves."

http://www.txbc.org/2000Journals/July2000/July00southernbaptistsnot.htm

[killbotfactory]

4. Take the Bible slavery quiz!

http://www.landoverbaptist.org/news0401/slavery.html

[LittleApple81]

6. Thank you. Thank you. I failed the quiz....bad bad person that

I am. WOW.
it was a wonderful quiz, by the way. I felt like a moron because I am not religious and I could not comprehend how the correct answers could be correct!

[JustFiveMoreMinutes]

7. Ugh, 80% here...

.. give glory to god for my southern baptist upbringing.. i guess.

:smoke:

[Solly Mack]

5. Yes..the so-called "curse of Ham"

was used as a biblical justification at one time.

[buddhamama]

8. it is written in the bible

Paul blather i believe (sorry it has been many a yr since i went to church or attended a catholic school)

anywoo,(paraphrased)
in one of the New Testament writings Paul
says slaves should be good slaves,
and slave owners should be good slave owners
and do not covet your neighbors' slave etc etc.

[LittleApple81]

9. figures. So they must have used this to the hilt when trying to

keep slaves and justify it in their minds. Hmmmm... and now gays. They won't give up without a struggle or using THEIR VERSION OF GOD, will they?

[buddhamama]

11. yep

they're literalistic in their interpretation and adherence to the bible.

if you'd like to get truly progressive insightful look at the Bible
read any book by Bishop Spong. Unlike many of his counterparts (and i use that term loosely) ie., Falwell and Robertson, Bishop Spong
is a Theologian and can read the ancient texts.

He makes a pretty convincing case that Paul himself was Gay,
and fought "it" which is why his writings on the subject are so vile and vicious.

[buddhamama]

12. here's the passage i remembered

Paul on Slavery

One of the favorite passages of slave-owning Christians was St. Paul's infamous instruction that slaves to obey their owners in the same way that they obey Christ:

Ephesians 6:5-9: "Servants, be obedient to them that are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ; Not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but as the servants of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart; With good will doing service, as to the Lord, and not to men: Knowing that whatsoever good thing any man doeth, the same shall he receive of the Lord, whether he be bond or free. And, ye masters, do the same things unto them, forbearing threatening: knowing that your Master also is in heaven; neither is there respect of persons with him."

http://www.religioustolerance.org/sla_bibl2.htm

[DrWeird]

10. Yes, the Bible was used quite a bit to justify slavery.

Even Jesus was pro-slavery.

And yes, they used the Bible to outlaw interracial marriage, and it's exactly the same as using it to outlaw homosexual marriage.

Bible or no, if you're against gay marriage you're a God-damned bigot.