Regardless of Politics, I feel bad for Nancy.

[greenbriar]

They truly had a great love affair

[zls44]

1. Amen

nm

[Zeke]

6. No Familiy Values...No, No...

Ronny divorced his wife and took up with Nancy who divorced her hsuband and took up with Ronny.

Everything about Reagan and the alleged family value bullshit---is bullshit!

Surviving spouses tend to wither fast after losing the other spouse. Let them reap what they sowed.

Good riddens to bad rubbish!

[greenbriar]

8. don't be so ugly

we are supposed to be more civil that the repukes

[bhunt70]

cast many stones? they were in love and their personal relationships

with previous people are matters we can't understand because we weren't there.

[bhunt70]

11. dupe.

[ronnykmarshall]

15. Nancy wasn't married before Ronnie.

Before you start throwing shit, get your facts straight.

[Zeke]

31. OKay...

So she was the hussy who broke up his family.

She was..is...a whore.

He was a piece of shit. One of the worst presidents of our time.

Let's name everything after him and spin his funeral into pomp & circumstance designed to milk sympathy votes for Bush Inc. cause that's what it is.

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[ronnykmarshall]

39. What the fuck-ever.

[greenbriar]

45. actually Jane Wyman broke up

her family,

apperantly Ronnie wasn't exciting enough

[bearfartinthewoods]

66. I think his wife was the one who divorced him.

or so said the biddy doing gossip on CNN.

[Piperay]

33. Ronnie's first wife was fooling

around on him with another actor, Lew Ayres. I was curious as to if Jane Wyman was still around and I came across that little bit of information in a biographic site. So anyway it is debatable as to who cheated or who did it first, plus Nancy was not married before. I am no fan of theirs but I'm not going to blast them with 'facts' that aren't true, that's the repuke way of doing things.

[Piperay]

36. Dupe

[Fenris]

41. Lew Ayres was about the same caliber actor as Ronald Reagan.

If you've sat through "All Quiet On The Western Front," you know what I mean.

[hippiegranny]

47. whatever

let's leave the phony morality policing to the pubes, shall we?

[DrWeird]

2. I don't.

She was the propaganda minister for the war on drugs.

[Fenris]

5. Not that it mattered much.

"Just Say No" produces results opposite its intended effect.

[Rick Myers]

3. Same here...

I can separate their actions in the White House from personal grief. She does look heart-broken...

[greenbriar]

4. she is a very strong woman

for 84

I believe she will push hard for stem cell and make the repukes nervous and angry before she dies

However, as great as their love, she may be so heart broke that she passes soon

[Dulcinea]

22. That's what I'm thinking too.

Nancy adored Ronnie. He was her whole life. I wouldn't be surprised if she goes to join him soon.

And, though I didn't like her during the '80s, I have more respect for her now for caring for someone with Alzheimer's. It's a terrible, devastating disease.

[Malva Zebrina]

55. well, I doubt very much that she cared for him

personally, 24-7

She had the money to see to it that others did that.

I suspect, knowing and seeing much over a lifetime of this desease and how fanmilies react, and having cared for my MIL for two years, that Nancy actually, if she was a human being with a normal intelligence and a normal emotional response, was relieved when he died at the age of 93.

To make this into a Romeo and Juliet love affair that lasted until he was 93, and for the last ten years of his life, when he could not recognize anyone and could not =care for his most simple needs without someone caring for him as they would a baby, is really fantasy and some sort of projection.

Sorry, I think if she were normal, Nancy grieved and accepted the loss ten years ago. This is all something that was planned years ago.

[bearfartinthewoods]

68. yeah...most people might have figured, 'what the hell'

and gone on with their lives. do lunch with the girls, go to parties, maybe find a special 'friend'.

but from all accounts, she didn't. that makes her ok in my book.

[Malva Zebrina]

69. I think she did do that

she was not there 24-7 at his bedside, washing him, diapering him, and feeding him, for ten years. True she had nothing of value to contribute to us as a famous figure, after she was out of the headlines due to her marriage to a president, but I am certain that she did not and was not the primary caregiver to Reagan. No way--

I think she had a good deal of freedom to visit her girlfriends and anything else she felt she wanted to do. It is just that she no longer was in the headlines and what she did with her life was no longer of any interest to anyone

I will bet you money, that Reagan had round the clock caregivers that were hired by Nancy.

[LowerManhattanite]

29. She does appear truly heartbroken...

...as her soulmate is now gone. I feel for her for that. HOWEVER...

The incredibly intense relationship they had smacked of a certain loopy interdependence...an interdependence that all but excluded the children from the exclusivity of Ron and Nancy's "this is ours and ours alone" love. It made for a weird and disjointed family "unit". My mother said a few days ago, "Why have children if you're gonna freeze 'em out of the love you share?".

She loved her husband dearly, but effectively erected a wall between him and their children that bordered on the psychotic. The fact that the otherwise reprehensible step-son Michael Reagan was not allowed in the room during his dad's final moments and his relegation to the "second" car (with the secret service and no other family members) by Nancy absolutely makes me cringe. I feel for her grief...but her callousness to virtually everyone beyond her husband tempers my empathy.

She's cruel and mean and now...utterly alone. That...is brutal and ironic.

[diamond14]

46. nancy smiled and waved repetitively...like she was back on the stage

again...she didn't look sad at all...

sad is when Jackie Kennedy covered her head in a veil...never smiled and did not wave at all....for Kennedy, all the people came out to grieve...

for nancy, this is just another big show from a fake, who enabled the massacre of millions, and broke up a marriage to get what she wanted: power...and nancy didn't care who she had to crush to get there....for nancy...there was few if any BLACK people in the crowd...in a major city with a population 85% Black...she was totally rejected by the people today...

an ALL WHITE military audience AND their ALL WHITE military war-profiteers showed up to cheer...they were ORDERED to...

[Fleshdancer]

7. I have a ton of respect for Nancy

She loved her husband deeply. And to stay by his side and take care of him for 10 painful years was truly selfless. My mom took care of my dad when he was dying of cancer and it made me realize how much society underestimates the sheer amount of strength and sacrifice it takes to do something like that.

[greenbriar]

10. exactly

and she looks soo heart broken

[ronnykmarshall]

12. I agree.

Nancy Reagan loved her husband and stood by him.

She has my respect. I'm very sad for her. These past years have seem to taken a lot out of her.

[bluedog]

14. remember she had help

paid caretakers and nurses.doctors when she needed them...thats a HELL of alot more then I had....its hard on the care takers who have no outside resources.......who can afford to hire 24/7 daily care.........I feel for her loss.......but I donb't want to hear where she did it all ..thats utter bullshit!!

[greenbriar]

23. bitter

much?

[Lars39]

60. Have you ever taken care of a terminally ill parent?

[Fleshdancer]

58. And yet if she had the choice....

I'd bet millions that she would have chosen to spend the rest of her life poor with Ronald strong and healthy than rich with him sick...regardless of how much help she was able to afford.

[Book Lover]

17. Perhaps she did, perhaps she didn't

care for him all the time; how can anyone tell, really? I feel sorry for her insofar as they stayed married to each other for the long haul and now he is really gone, but this story happens every single day to many people, very few quite so rich or surrounded by support networks as the Reagans. I find it difficult to well up with tears.

[bhunt70]

20. I'd feel the same way for people it happens to everyday also

if I come in contact with it.

I seperate the politics from the human feelings that everyone has, to lose someone isn't fun.

[diamond14]

49. you should never respect whores who enjoy breaking up a marriage

and was pregnant OUTSIDE WEDLOCK just to seal the deal and destroy a marriage...those whores are the WORST KIND OF PROSTITUTE....

and nancy is one of them....

BTW, nancy never took care of reaguns...at the end, she had him shoved in a back room, and never went in there....reaguns whole entire MULTI-MILLION dollar death was paid for by US, the American Taxpayers....nancy had everyone else take care of reaguns...nurses, physical therapists, physicians..she had it all....

at our expense...don't for ONE MINUTE think that nancy made any effort like your mother did...

[Fleshdancer]

59. life is never that black and white

as it so happens, my father was married to another woman when he met my mother. Life gets messy and if you want to call my mom a "whore" too, than so be it, but I owe my existence to their love and their 25 years of devotion so pardon me for not taking your judgmental attitude as fact of Nancy Reagan's character.

I think it's sad that we can't give just a little credit where credit is due. Nancy loves Ronald and she did more for taking care of him than most couples have to endure. And yes she had help but for the love of Goddess, ALL 70+ year old men and women SHOULD have help when taking care of their dying spouses. Many don't, and that's a shame, but that doesn't make Nancy's devotion and pain any less real.

[leftynyc]

71. And you would know this how???

Were you one of the people taking care of him?

[leftynyc]

70. I completely agree

Whatever his or her faults, they seemed to truly love one another and to watch him wither away in mind and body had to be heartbreaking. I'm astonished at the callousness I'm hearing from progressives. I take a back seat to nobody in disdain for Reagan's years as president. And the argument that "they were mean first" is just childish.

[bhunt70]

9. I feel the same way. They were in love, it shows.

[greenbriar]

13. Did you see

her lay her head down on the casket the other day???


Made me shed a tear

[bhunt70]

16. I missed it but I just saw her touch the casket as it went by.

My wife said that if anyone cries she's gonna cry, I told her she'd never live it down although I know I'd probably start too.

[ronnykmarshall]

28. That was very touching.

I don't think even she expected that.

It was very sweet how after Patti hugged her mom, the minister put his arm around Nancy's shoulder and look up at smiled at him.

I really feel for this lady right now.

[lumpy]

65. I saw her lay her head down on

Ron's casket. Most people would rather have privacy while in mourning. I thought 'she's always on stage even during a private moment'. Very dramatic. The picture will be terrific on the book jacket. I do feel sorry for the woman, sad that she never really enjoyed the precious experience of being 'close' with her children. Really not a very happy family.

[AlCzervik]

18. Nancy has her warts just like all of us

But she's pro-choice and she's willing to work hard on stem cell research and she obviously loved her husband and took very good care of him. I was 17 when my mother died, the last 2 years of her life she bed ridden with cancer and aside from the wonderful people of hospice i was her only caregiver, it's a very hard thing to go through.

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

19. Yeah - "Say No to Drugs" was such a convenient front for our EVIL..

destructive, and very profitable "War on Drugs"

No sympathy for Nancy either.

[bhunt70]

24. when you lose someone I hope people act more compassionate towards you.

You may not care but I know I would.

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

32. I absolutely do. I'm sorry - my words were too rash. i thought they were

when I hit "post". I don't mean "no sympathy to the Reagan family" I mean no sympathy to the Reagan policies, be they Ron's or Nancy's.

I apologize

[bhunt70]

35. no problem :)

[diamond14]

52. don't apologize...you were right the first time...nancy's WAR ON DRUGS

has KILLED millions of people world-wide...she was an enabler and lived very prosperously on BLOOD MONEY from the murders of millions...

there are MANY reTHUGlicans here lately, trying to intimidate people and force us to honor these murderers and traitors...don't let them pressure you...STAND UP and BE STRONG...you are 100% right...nancy and ronnie DESTROYED America's cities, starved children to death in America, used all our tax money to make WAR and WEAPONS for their friends and war-profiteers....

we must STAND UP against the reaguns, so others will be ashamed to even think of doing what the reaguns did...honoring these scum is just like honoring hitler....

[leftynyc]

72. Clinton continued the moronic war on drugs also.

And enough with the Hitler comparisons. You just belittle your argument. Nobody is trying to intimidate you....take your paranoia down a notch.

[Fenris]

21. I think what makes her case extraordinary

Is that she took care of her husband for ten years during which he rapidly entered a vegetative state. I've dealt with people with Alzheimer's before, and it's a hard thing to do, caring for someone for that long. Even with the help she undoubtedly received from nurses, it still is tough.

[greenbriar]

27. especially to watch the love of your life

shrink from you day after day

[Fenris]

30. That's awful

Pain stretched out over a decade.

[Lefty48197]

25. I feel sorry for her for having to go through this in such a public manner

.

[NMDemDist2]

34. she looks like she's doped to the gills to get thru this whole ordeal

IMO

[CityZen-X]

38. I Only Wish....

that I have the same meds to get me through this current administration!

[Bluebear]

26. She lost him a long time ago....

I can't see how this is anything other than merciful for her. I do feel bad that they are parading her around so much in her time of grief. Every camera on her every minute. Let her grieve in peace fer chrissakes.

[Nashyra]

42. I'm glad to see some here on DU

have some sort of compassion for the family. I did not like Regan but I do like Ron Jr. Right now there is a repuke talking and he is spewing bullshit, there is no room for political bullshit or rant for the repuke party, it will back fire!!!! big time.

[Padraig18]

40. So do I.

She has great dignity, and her pain is evident.

[Piperay]

43. Me too

I'm no fan of hers but I feel for anyone suffering the pain of losing a person they love. I have lost so many loved ones myself that I can't help but feel for anyone going through that. :-(

[freetobegay]

44. I can't stand Ronald Reagan & I feel no remorse for him.

But I do feel sorry for Nancy, What little compassion he showed, he got from her.

[LibDemAlways]

48. Nancy had an army of support people

to help out - round the clock care that allowed her to get out and live her life. She knew this was coming, and had ten years to prepare for it.

My thoughts are with the ordinary Americans who struggle to provide care for ill relatives who aren't rich and famous - and who often have no or inadequate health insurance.

Tears for the Reagans? Sorry, I'll pass.

[CityZen-X]

50. Her Support People...

were her pharmacist! Just say no you BITCH!

[LostInAnomie]

51. I feel sorry for Nancy also...

... that is one of the most obvious face lifts I have ever seen.

[CityZen-X]

54. Get Down With Your Bad Self!

And was she not so pripi a she waved to the sheeple in recognition of her vanity!

[Skittles]

53. LOL

if you say so

[MoonRiver]

56. When my husband is 93, and if that is his time to go,

I'll feel blessed, not cursed, by having experienced a lifetime of love and devotion. Nancy had a good life, and her husband lived to a very ripe old age. Why should anybody feel sorry for this?

[Lindsey]

57. They didn't from anything I've ever heard have an "affair"

where families were broken up. People really do need to get their facts stright or we are just doing what the right-wingers do. They had a great love and I respect that regardless of the politics.

[MoonRiver]

61. By "affair" I meant situation, not adultry!

Don't worry I'm not bashing your beloved Gipper! :eyes:

[FredScuttle]

62. So why was she whistling

"Come Fly With Me"?

meow

[nomatrix]

63. Does she still see her astrologer?

I recall from her days in the WH, she made no decisions with a consult.

[neomonkey]

64. Regardless of Nancy, I feel bad for politics n/t

[mopaul]

67. sorry, I CANNOT dredge up any sympathy for that shrew....n/t