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nannah Donating Member (690 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 07:13 PM
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CIA COUP D'ETAT: Bush, Cheney Indictments in Plame Case Looming

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/060804_coup_detat.html

COUP D'ETAT:
The Real Reason Tenet and Pavitt Resigned from the
CIA on June 3rd and 4th

Bush, Cheney Indictments in Plame Case Looming

by
Michael C. Ruppert

additional reporting by
Wayne Madsen from Washington

JUNE 8, 2004 1600 PDT (FTW) - Why did DCI George Tenet suddenly resign on June 3rd, only to be followed a day later by James Pavitt, the CIA's Deputy Director of Operations (DDO)?

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Both resignations, perhaps soon to be followed by resignations from Colin Powell and his deputy Richard Armitage, are about the imminent and extremely messy demise of George W. Bush and his Neocon administration in a coup d'etat being executed by the Central Intelligence Agency. The coup, in the planning for at least two years, has apparently become an urgent priority as a number of deepening crises threaten a global meltdown.

Based upon recent developments, it appears that long-standing plans and preparations leading to indictments and impeachment of Bush, Cheney and even some senior cabinet members have been accelerated, possibly with the intent of removing or replacing the entire Bush regime prior to the Republican National Convention this August.

FTW has been documenting this Watergate-like coup for more than fifteen months and almost everything we will discuss about recent events was predicted by us in the following pages: Please see our stories "The Perfect Storm - Part I" (March 2003); "Blood in the Water" (July 2003); "Beyond Bush - Part I" (July 2003); "Waxman Ties Evidentiary Noose Around Rice and Cheney" (July 2003); and "Beyond Bush - Part II" (October 2003).

© Copyright 2004, From The Wilderness Publications, www.fromthewilderness.com. All Rights Reserved. May be reprinted, distributed or posted on an Internet web site for non-profit purposes only.

This article is a must read. I have followed From the Wilderness' Peak Oil warnings which are manifesting before our very eyes!
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theivoryqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 07:17 PM
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1. how reliable is this source?
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gandalf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-04 04:36 AM
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41. Which is the reliability scale
Edited on Thu Jun-10-04 04:36 AM by gandalf
that you regurlarly use?

Please cite only A-Journals.

So we can answer your question scientifically.
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genius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 07:19 PM
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2. Ruppert's reliable but they have to can't indict Bush till he's out
of office.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 09:14 PM
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17. That may happen sooner rather than later.
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ItsMyParty Donating Member (835 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 07:21 PM
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3. I don't think that is why Tenat resigned
He resigned to save Bush. In fact when that happened, I wondered just how "mad" the CIA was. Suddenly I am not so sure they are out to get Bush. I think maybe the resignation was the shot across the bow that told the rest of them to bug off or else.
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nannah Donating Member (690 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 07:41 PM
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5. details of legal snares that have been laid and tripped
Edited on Wed Jun-09-04 07:42 PM by nannah
are spelled out in article. Reading the whole article is helpful to understand how involved and methodical this operation has been. here are a few more paragraphs:

The Bush administration has proved itself to be an insular group of inept, dishonest and dangerous CEO's of the corporation known as America. They have become very bad for business and the Board of Directors is now taking action. Make no mistake, the CIA works for "The Board" - Wall Street and big money. The long-term (very corrupt and unethical) agenda of the Board, in the face of multiple worsening global crises, was intended to proceed far beyond the initially destructive war in Iraq, toward an effective reconstruction and a strategic response to Peak Oil. But the neocons have stalled at the ugly stage: killing hundreds of thousands of people; destroying Iraq's industrial and cultural infrastructure as their own bombs and other people's RPGs blow everything up; getting caught running torture camps; and making the whole world intensely dislike America.

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But (not surprisingly) Tenet and the CIA were and remain much better at covert operations and planning ahead than the Bush administration ever was. Tenet and Pavitt actually prepared and left a clear, irrefutable and incriminating paper trail which not only proves that they had shunned and refused to endorse the documents, the CIA also did not support the nuke charges and warned Bush not to use them.

Where are those documents now? They're part of the Justice Department Plame investigation - and they're also in the hands of the Congressman who will most likely introduce and manage the articles of impeachment, if that becomes necessary: Henry Waxman (D), of California. If you would like to see how tightly the legal trap has been prepared, and how carefully the evidence has been laid out, I suggest taking a look around Waxman's web site at: http://www.house.gov/waxman/.


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The June 3rd issue of Capitol Hill Blue, the newspaper published for members of Congress, bore the headline "Bush Knew About Leak of CIA Operative's Name". That article virtually guaranteed that the Plame investigation had enough to pursue Bush criminally. The story's lead sentence described a criminal, prosecutable offense: "Witnesses told a federal grand jury President George W. Bush knew about, and took no action to stop, the release of a covert CIA operative's name to a journalist in an attempt to discredit her husband, a critic of administration policy in Iraq."
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 08:56 PM
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14. "...stalled at the ugly stage: killing hundreds of thousands of people..."
I can believe 50,000, tops. Unless I'm missing something, this is way over the top.

:freak:
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RedSock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 09:18 PM
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19. woodward on deaths
pentagon told woodward they killed 30,000 in the first few weeks of the invasion, so who knows? btw afghanistan and iraq, could be.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 09:18 PM
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20. He was probably including all FUTURE deaths that could potentially...
...be caused by FratBoy and his NeoCon Junta.

Think about it for a moment...they've already threatened Syria, Iraq and North Korea; seven carrier battle groups will be at sea this summer for "maneuvers"; and we have troops scattered halfway across the world in more than sixty different countries.

Still think "hundreds of thousands" is "way over the top"?
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 09:32 PM
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26. Yes, I do (still think it's over the top).
Isn't 30-50,000 innocents enough to inspire disgust? :shrug: In an unjust war, one person killed gets my dander up. I prefer to stick to the facts. Although I'm not incapable of imagining the future horrors that would await us with another term, I don't need that to justify my indignation.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 08:05 PM
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8. I read the article, and I still have a problem with the Tenet
resignation. The conflict I see is with the Capital Hill Blue story about Bush "losing it" & firing Tenet in a sudden burst of irrational rage. Something just doesn't fit here. There seem to be pieces from several jigsaw puzzles mixed together.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 09:05 PM
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15. Try this theory, JR
Bush told Tenet to get the CIA to back off.
Tenet tells Bush he can't, it's beyond him, there are too many deep cover spies who are doing Bush in.
Bush says he will find someone who can stop it.
Tenet is fired.

Nice fit, eh?

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Sparky McGruff Donating Member (321 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 10:03 PM
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32. How about this one...
  • Tenet goes to brief Bush on some unrelated thing after his press conference.
  • Bush asks him what is going on with the Valerie Plame investigation.
  • Tenet says that he's been asked to provide information and/or talk.
  • Bush tells Tenet to lie to the Plame grand jury and/or congress.
  • Tenet tells Bush that he won't.
  • Bush flies into a rage, yelling "F##k you! You're fired! It's God's will!".
  • Bush takes 5 minutes to calm down, then walks out and gives an incoherent speech saying Tenet has resigned.


How about that?

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crossroads Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 10:17 PM
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34. Know what you mean... I think he disagreed with shrub and got axed...
seems logical... we need more pieces tho...
:shrug:
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 09:23 PM
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23. Nonsense. Tenet can do quite a bit more in terms of testifying and/or...
...coordinating the anti-NeoCon leak campaign from OUTSIDE government than he could ever do while INSIDE the government. The NeoCons no longer have Tenet under control, and potentially more ominous for the NeoCons, they no longer have Tenet's #2 under control.

By the way, Valerie Plame reported to Tenet's #2 while she was still a viable operative running a major global network. Interesting connection, no?

"Save Bush"?? Sure. Right. Anything you say.
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Poiuyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 09:47 PM
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28. Tenant didn't resign
He was booted out by Bush
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-04 05:16 AM
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42. Nah!
I think Tenant stayed around long enough to get the evidence on Bush. He may have been wired. And the second in command resigns too/ They can now testify before the grand Jury and you can betcha its been CIA who have been implicating Bush. Alledgedly Bush accused Tenant of disloyalty and then fired him ,offering him an option to resign. I think Tenant pushed Bush into it by refusing to lie, and it may be all on tape!
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 07:21 PM
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4. Who's going to issue the indictments? Bush's justice department?
I don't see it happening.

Will Kerry's?

I wonder which courts have jurisdiction.

The fed courts in the states from which the calls were made? The states to which the calls were made.

I'd feel better if SDNY had jurisdiction.
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nannah Donating Member (690 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 07:45 PM
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6. read article, those questions are answered
Henry Waxman of D of California is a key player. check link to his site in my posting above.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 09:10 PM
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16. It's a Grand Jury
Headed up by a Chicago Dem., District Attorney. Richardson?

Grand Juries are hard, very hard to sway once they get cranked up.

Just about any major criminal indictment comes from a Grand Jury. Once an indictment is returned, a Trial by Jury ensues. Unless there is plea bargaining.

Keep your fingers crossed.
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nannah Donating Member (690 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 09:21 PM
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22. Fitzgerald is the prosecutors name eom
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 08:07 PM
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9. There have certainly been a lot of times when it seemed
Waxman was tilting at windmills in the past 3 years. Nice to think that it might all be part of some coordinated strategy.
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nannah Donating Member (690 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 08:42 PM
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10. link below takes you to Waxman's gathering of documentation
referred to in Ruppert's article.

http://www.house.gov/reform/min/inves_admin/admin_nuclear_evidence.htm

In reading Rupperts work, he and the other writers on FTW seem to document and provide citations to validate their information.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 09:28 PM
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25. Apparently, you've failed to notice that "Bush's justice department"...
...in the form of a strong faction of the FBI has been leaking information almost as fast as the CIA. Even judges known to be very conservative have issued key rulings against the NeoCon Junta, with more adverse rulings to come soon from the Supreme Court itself.

And those people aren't alone in going after the NeoCons. In addition to the CIA, FBI, and portions of the DoJ, we have also seen surprising amounts of information surface from senior military officers, the DIA, and non-NeoCon civilians in the DoD.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-04 12:33 AM
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37. The FBI can't issue indictments. You still have to find a prosecutor...
...somwhere who's willing to bring a case. And it looks like there's one in IL.
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iconoclastic cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 08:02 PM
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7. Now, hold on...citing CapitolHillBlue? How reliable could this be?
Is this journalism or tripe?

I would love to believe it. I would love to believe in life on alien worlds. I would like to believe a lot of things. Wanting to believe, though, won't pull this country out of a terminal tailspin.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 08:47 PM
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11. Personally, I thought it was a great fruckin' read!!!!
It was not a way-out, wacko, stardust conspiracy thingy (geez,...the neocons have presented far more pie-out-of-the-skies bullshit).

It is a very "tight" read.

Of course, the caveat is that, NO ONE is a fortune-teller,...none of us can precisely predict the course of tomorrow. But, it is a tight read.
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iconoclastic cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 08:56 PM
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12. Yeah, I just read Ruppert's bio
He seems pretty lucid. I'll buy it.
BTW, Just Me, did you read my post about the RICO lawsuits against the US merc outfits? Not many people read it because of the headline. I would like your sage opinion (no sarcasm intended whatsoever):
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1752967
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nannah Donating Member (690 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 09:14 PM
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18. Supreme court expected to rule against Bushco on these issues
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 09:59 PM
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30. I love your name,...you, iconoclast, you,...
,...and, although I missed your post, I did pick up on it on LBN.

CCR will have one helluva fight on their hands, of course, dealing with profiteers who have strong ties to the war-mongering political power house guys. Personally, I sincerely admire the courage demonstrated by CCR,...OH, I very much admire their courage in pursuing this class action.

My hope is that their courage will evolve into a change that is,...really important,...to our people and our integrity and "national security" and our influence upon the international community.

The potential impact of this case,...is monumental,...in my healthy imagination. But, the reality of the challenge,...is quite overwhelming as well. I just cannot say who will end up in the mud in this tug of war.

With respect to the "sage" thingy,...I am a guesstimater *LOL*,...and IF (IF) this case goes all the way through the process,...

OMFG!!!! Let's talk a whole new period of "enlightenment" *LOL*!!!!

That would be very cool with "Just Me"!! :bounce:
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nannah Donating Member (690 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 08:56 PM
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13. I agree that it is a tight article
and although Rupert acknowledges that "the board" is not a bunch of good guys, he suggests that the upheaval provides an opportunity for change. Certainly if Bush andCo are drummed out of office, the weight of republican bodies in congress can be reduced.
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bagnana Donating Member (858 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 09:28 PM
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24. I was disappointed by Rupert before
the last election, when I elatedly told my husband of an article I read there about a "video" of Bush and Jeb snorting coke, and how it was shortly to be released. Anyway, throughout the Florida fiasco he kept asking "so where's the video" (very mocking) and I sounded like a nut.
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nannah Donating Member (690 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 10:02 PM
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31. did they refer back to the video later to explain
their misinformation? or make reference to it in anyway? they being ruppert et al. i've been following their peak oil stories and current events seem to affirm the accuracy of that information.
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Must_B_Free Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 10:46 PM
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35. It was clear early on that Ruppert is not about credibility
He's above Hopsicker, Al Martin and some others, but he is more sensationsational than factual.

But that being said, it doesn't mean that he doesn't guess right a lot of the time.
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 09:20 PM
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21. Could It All Loom a Little Faster, Please? n/t
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DEMVET-USMC Donating Member (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 09:41 PM
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27. I find none of this surprising as these are powerful people who have been
involved in our National Security for most of their adult lives and take that mission very seriously. BUHSCO has ignored their advice and tried to blame them for his failures. He and his CHICKEN HAWK Admin. are going down. They crossed swords with the wrong people and are finally going to pay for it. ...Oscar
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 10:14 PM
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33. Isn't it about fucking time, DEMVET?
Hasn't everyone had about enough of being USED or rolled over or spent or betrayed by their loyalty to people who don't give a damn about anyone but themselves?!?!?!?!

I mean,...where is the honor or integrity in THAT!!!

The exploitation by these people is,...is,....beyond words.

VALUES!!!

What values are they talking about???? They defy every fundamental value humanity shares.

*pinching between my brows* the shit went way too far and we are mass-producing desperation.
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DEMVET-USMC Donating Member (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 11:24 PM
Response to Reply #33
36. You said it buddy, and said it well !These chickenshit assholes are going
down and hard. ...Oscar
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-04 01:01 AM
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38. me thinks the chickenhawks have come home to roost.
Unfortunately too late to save many thousands of lives.

Still don't understand why the Dem leadership bought that phoney 'evidence' about WMD to begin with, and signed onto Bush's war resolution. It seems to me that it had been established almost from the get-go that the Niger intel were forgeries.
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-04 01:47 AM
Response to Reply #38
40. Good question.
I suspect there are economic 'reasons' that have nothing what so ever to do with WMD.
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 09:57 PM
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29. Here we go- WaPo:
CACI and Titan Sued Over Iraq Operations
Legal Center Alleges Abuse of Prisoners

The Center for Constitutional Rights yesterday sued CACI International Inc. and Titan Corp. on behalf of several Iraqi prisoners, accusing the government contractors of conspiring with U.S. officials to abuse Iraqi detainees and failing to properly supervise their own employees.

The New York-based nonprofit legal center, which has also filed lawsuits asking that detainees being held at Guantanamo Bay in Cuba be given access to counsel, accused Arlington-based CACI and San Diego-based Titan of failing to properly screen employees and not supervising them adequately. The lawsuit seeks an injunction preventing the contractors from obtaining new government contracts and monetary damages.

Titan and CACI officials denied the allegations. "We believe this lawsuit to be frivolous and we will vigorously defend against it," said Wil Williams, a spokesman for Titan. "We have never had control over prisoners or how they were handled."
snip>

One plaintiff in the latest lawsuit, Sami Abbas Al Rawi, claims he was kicked, beaten, hooded for long periods, deprived of food and subjected to loud rock music, according to the lawsuit. Another plaintiff identified only as Rasheed said he was beaten on his feet with iron skewers and electrocuted on his tongue and anus. Another plaintiff called Neisef alleges he was sexually abused by a female conspirator for 30 minutes, forced to touch other detainees' body parts and threatened with attack dogs, the suit says. The plaintiffs in the lawsuits are not portrayed in any of the photos that have become emblematic of abuses at the prison, their attorneys said.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A29564-2004Jun9?language=printer
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notbush Donating Member (616 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-04 01:30 AM
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39. I don't believe this....I get
all my news from the National Enquirer. There hasn't been any stories about this there.
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union_maid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-04 05:34 AM
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43. No idea if this is true at all but I do think it's true in spirit
I'm no good at analysis or figuring out if something like this is based on fact or if it's just a theory. In a more primitive way, though, you can sense, smell, hear and feel something like this in the air. It's much the way I figured out that they were lying about WMD. I'm not good at figuring out which party is telling the truth in an academic way when conflicting stories are out there, but you could see the lies flying around in the air.

Now you can see some Republicans moving away from Bush, along of course, with the CIA and the FBI AND the military. It's almost visual, watching Bush/Cheney, Rummy and Ashcroft become more and more isolated, with just a few, like Delay, still being very public in their total support. I've wondered to myself if the Republican establishment is going to choose to go with Kerry and have a "rebuilding" presidential term, or if they're going to try to put in a new team before the election.
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union_maid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-04 05:36 AM
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44. Sorry...double posted n/t
Edited on Thu Jun-10-04 05:37 AM by union_maid
edited to remove double post.
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nannah Donating Member (690 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-04 09:01 AM
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45. a kick for the morning shift
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