Don't Just Question Reagan's Lunacy.

[Octafish]

Ronnie was a nutjob for believing what he did. Still, an apparent majority of the American people who bothered to vote believed his stink.

At heart, I'd say most of the people who voted for him were and are decent people. And, of course, most of the people in government, including working for Reagan, were and are good people.

Still, we need to consider the nutjobs around him. No matter how little it’s mentioned: There were a lot of NAZIs, gangsters, klansmen, Wall Street crooks, Big Media, less-than-civil servants and so on behind him. From their ranks came the representatives and lobbyists who led him and the public astray.

Who can forget the crazy stuff that came from his advisors? So-called men like Ed Meese and Richard Allen and Richard Secord and John Singlaub and John Poindexter and Ollie North and all the rest, like the still-at-the government trough themselves John Negroponte, Elliott Abrams and Paul Wolfowitz. Judged by their actions and lies, these all are traitors to the Constitution.

Nevertheless, there is one name in particular that comes through loud and clear: George Herbert Walker Bush. The guy was next in line to be President after the shooting thing. Odd how Poppy’s own son Neil was set to dine that very evening with John Hinckley’s big brother.

Here’s what I think is really scary: There’s one very important man who crossed paths with Poppy Doc Bush. That man is fellow Texas oilman George deMohrenschildt. The late “geologist” knew Bush Sr. by the childhood moniker, "Poppy."

Sorry to say I don’t know what DeMohrenschildt called his charge, Lee Harvey Oswald. I read he testified to the Warren Commission that Oswald was a lone nut gunman type. Later, he considered his once-friend Oswald a patsy for the assassination of JFK.

The story repeats in the events leading up to September 11. Bush’s family has been doing big business with another oilman, actually an entire klan full of oilmen, the bin Ladens. Odd how their son, too, turned out to be so nutty.

Perhaps Bush drives people nuts? Oh well. No matter: Things sure turn out crazy.

— Octafish

[4morewars]

1. funny how that bush family...

is always connected to things in this manner, yet nothing sticks to them. And they called raygun the teflon one.

[Octafish]

2. Poppy's Teflon won't stand up forever.

We've got the ultimate weapon -- The Truth.

Here's a sample:

This FBI memo shows Poppy's interest in making it clear a young Republican suggested he'd kill President Kennedy.



In this FBI memo from a week later, there's mention of a "Mr. George Bush of the CIA."



Source:

http://www.internetpirate.com/bush.htm

[4morewars]

6. Again i say...

nothing sticks to this bunch. I've seen those documents you posted, they have been public for some time, yet ,,,,nothing.
*w and his bros were all involved in the S&L scandals, hopped in the gulfstream and flew back to daddy's house with nary a word.
All the felonious things president* shithead has done (I'm sure you know them) and again,,,,,,, nothing
I just don't get it
:wtf:

[Octafish]

9. Thanks for mentioning the S&Ls. That's where I earned my stripes...

Once upon a life I was a newspaper reporter. We investigated a once-steady S&L that became corrupted, post-de-regulation.

The organization had once been bound by law to lend money for houses and businesses in the local community. After Reagan-Bush, the S&L could act like a bank and do whatever it wanted to with itsdepositor's money. They disguised this cash-cow as "Commercial Lending."

People who seemed clean and connected would come to and ask for loans for an "Auto Mall," say. They'd borrow $5 mill, and after a few months, declare bankruptcy.

The collateral was almost always undervalued. The money was always unrecoverable. Seldom did anyone go to jail. Think: Neil the Silvardo Desperado.

That was just in one little town. That same style of legalized bank robbery went on in all 50 states. In Texas, Pete Brewton discovered that the CIA were helping gut S&Ls. That wasn't crazy. That was organized crime, Bush style.

PS: The reason I post the stuff you've seen before and have no effect is that other people will see it and pass it on to people who haven't. Sooner or later, we'll reach critical mass. Then the next stop for these turds is Leavenworth.

[4morewars]

10. Call me cynical....

but i just don't see it happening. I await the day you can yell at me, "I told you so!!!!!!"
peace, joe

[libhill]

32. I don`t get it either

unless the American people as a whole truly are a bunch of clueless fucking morons, in which case we deserve anything we get.

[Octafish]

37. Jacques Vallee says maybe we'll get the "Visitors" we deserve.

[seemslikeadream]

23. You will never destroy me Octafish

[Octafish]

29. True. Only God can destroy a soul.

Me, I'll settle for getting the Truth out about you, Pruneface.



My reputation may suffer. Your name will be remembered, rightly. It is called character. Some call that Fate. You are a crook, a gangster, a NAZI, a token turd of the BFEE. As Mayor Coleman Young said, "You are an old..."

Pruneface

In keeping with what seems to be a recurring theme in comic history, Pruneface emerges as one of the deeply scarred (literally) villains. In a sea of relatively faceless goons, Dick Tracy's Pruneface emerged as one of the most memorable and thus warranted a significant amount of back story.

Since his debut in 1942 closely coincided with World War II, Pruneface was conveniently developed as a spy, saboteur and leader for the Nazi cause. An employee of the notorious mobster Big Boy, he soon proved himself to be a master henchman.

Alas, his reign at the top of the crime pyramid was to be (seemingly) shortlived, as readers were led to believe that he died just one year after his introduction into the series. After being captured by Dick Tracy, Pruneface appeared to have frozen to death in a blizzard.

CONTINUED...

http://scoop.diamondgalleries.com/scoop_article.asp?ai=3291&si=126

[seemslikeadream]

24. For I have great powers!

see I'm a Deputy Marshall

[Octafish]

30. Kalifornia über alles.

There's a stunt-double getting ready in the wings.



"Dere's going to a rheeel pahty venn I vinn in 2012! You two shooult be dere!"

[T Bone]

35. what a fuckstick

Deputy? wonder if he has a bullet in his pocket?

[libhill]

43. Is that from-

"High Noon in Grenada"?

[Spider Jerusalem]

3. Except..

the Bin Ladens are in construction, not oil...

[Octafish]

5. Financed by oil.

The Saudi royal slugs hired the bin Ladens way back when for some touch-ups around the palaces. From that sprang great contracts to renovate and expand the Holy sites at Mecca and Medina.

Here's something interesting about the connections between the bin Ladens and the Bush Organized Crime Empire:

Bush & Bin Laden - George W. Bush Had Ties to Billionaire bin Laden Brood

The unexplained death of Salem, Osama bin Laden's oldest brother, in 1988, brought to an abrupt end a long and intriguing relationship between President Bush and the head of the bin Laden family fortune.
 
By Roger Miller
 
The world now associates the bin Laden name with Osama bin Laden, the prime suspect be hind the terror atrocities of Sept. 11. As President George W. Bush leads an intense international manhunt for Osama, few Americans realize that Osama's eldest brother, Salem, was one of Bush's first business partners.

SNIP...

Osama embraced Islamic fundamentalism and is now the world's most wanted man. "Salem went on to become a business partner of the man who is leading the hunt for his brother," the Daily Mail's Peter Allen said. "In the 1970s, he and George W. Bush were founders of the Arbusto Energy oil company in Mr. Bush's home state of Texas."

President Bush and the bin Laden family have been connected through dubious business deals since 1977, when Salem, the head of the bin Laden family business, one of the biggest construction companies in the world, invested in Bush's start-up oil company, Arbusto Energy, Inc.

James R. Bath, a friend and neighbor, was used to funnel money from Osama bin Laden's brother, Salem bin Laden, to set up George W. Bush in the oil business, according to The Wall Street Journal and other reputable sources.

CONTINUED...

http://www.americanfreepress.net/10_07_01/Bush___Bin_Laden_-_George_W__B/bush___bin_laden_-_george_w__b.html

[Spider Jerusalem]

8. Hmmm...interesting..

the Bush/de Mohrenschildt connection is interesting, too. De Mohrenschildt was hired by Prescott Bush in 1939, befriended Lee Harvey Oswald some 23 years later (after the CIA asked him to get close to Oswald in exchange for help on an oil deal he was working on in Haiti)...which leads up top 22 Nov. '63 (when G.H.W. Bush was in Dallas, apparently)...and de Mohrenschildt either committed suicide or was killed after receiving a summons from the House Select Committee on Assassinations. Which makes one wonder, at the least.The physical evidence points to Oswald, but there's enough other evidence to suggest someone was running him.

[Octafish]

15. Haiti and Papa Doc Duvalier and Zapata and Poppy Doc Bush.

Odd how that name Bush just keeps popping up. Must be a coincidence so many people who know that end up dieing most violently. Here's a great biography of the Baron, with lot's a links and resources:

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKdemohrenschildt.htm

If you get a chance, professors John Newman and Philip Melanson have written outstanding, scholarly works on the subject of Oswald and the assassination of President Kennedy. Would that there were more like them, especially in the press. For those interested, an article with loads o' links and citations:

http://www.law.uga.edu/academics/profiles/dwilkes_more/jfk_18oswald.html

[Booster]

39. All interesting is....

Bush may be the only person in the United States who doesn't remember where he was, who he was with, or what he was doing on November 22, 1963, and the FBI notes say he said he would be in Dallas on that day. Why aren't these questions ever followed up on by ANYBODY????
Every Texan knows where he/she was on that day.

[Octafish]

41. J Edgar Hoover mentions where Poppy was 22 November 1963...

Images of these FBI memos also are on Reply #2.

http://www.internetpirate.com/bush.htm



"I remember because we flew back from Dallas,
then went to the track the next day ourselves."

[seemslikeadream]

42. Do you know where little georgie was that day?

Honest to God his mommy had taken him to Dallas to see the president!

Ask Octafish true story

[Octafish]

44. Michael Beschloss mentioned it to Imus.

Seems Babs and Smirko wanted to see "the parade." So, today it's like father like son, who doesn't want to reveal where he was for obvious and odious reasons.

Now why Beschloss doesn't continue bringing the subject up doesn't take much imagination. Ask Clifford Baxter, if he could only hear us. Or John O'Neill of the FBI. Or James Hatfield. Or Danny Casolaro. Or Abbie Hoffman. Or anyone else who crossed paths with the Bush Organized Crime Family.

[Booster]

46. Yeah, I know.....

It's obvious why no one wants to pursue the question, but wouldn't you think a person who works for the CIA and who's wife and son were in Dallas, so you know he was also, would at least come up with a better answer to the question than "I don't remember"? I think it's the arrogance of the answer that is so frustrating. It's like saying "I don't remember; yeah, that's the ticket. I don't remember".
Especially after the FBI documents show he said he was going to be in Dallas. "I don't remember; I don't recall" seems to be the answer ONLY politicians can use and get away with it. Needs to stop.

[seemslikeadream]

27. The Saudi Royal Family Album is on line

[Must_B_Free]

45. OMG that it hilarious

Hi! Here I am!

[Xenolith]

4. "Lee, how is it possible that you missed?" said De Morenschildt

to Oswald four days after Oswald took a shot at Gen. Walker. Oswald had not told De Morenschildt about it.

Oddly enough, De Morenschildt was close to the Bouvier (Jackie's) family as well as the Bushes.

[Octafish]

7. Was Oswald's "guilt" ever established, re: Gen. Walker?

It seemed Walker had more of a motive to make himself out as a potential victim of the accused assassin. Remember Nixon, too, claimed to have been threatened by assassins. Interesting how the right wingers get threatened, but it's the Liberals who get killed.

[Xenolith]

11. I think so, since Oswald confessed to Marina that he had shot at Walker

Plus, they dug a slug out of Walker's wall.

Interesting point about right-wingers. The only one I can remember being shot was Wallace.

[BeFree]

12. Of course Wallace was shot

Wallace was a threat. Like Perot, (who was threatened), Wallace stood to take votes away from Nixon...the Southern strategy

The Bush / bin Laden business seems to be the best angle to give this election a wedgie. Bush and bin Laden were in Arbusto together? That's kinda incredible. If true, folks might get a tad po'ed about that.

[Octafish]

14. "The Bush / bin Laden business seems to be the best angle ..."

"...to give this election a wedgie."

LMFAO, BeFree! Thanks.

Here's a great overview on the topic:



The Bush-Saudi Connection

By Michelle Mairesse

EXCERPT...

Jihad

The Wahhabi Taliban in Afghanistan had the blessings of the Saudi royal family and of The Big Three--the bin Laden family, the al Ahmoudi family, and the Mahfouz family--the richest clans in that medieval kingdom. (Khalid bin Mahfouz is bin Laden’s brother-in-law). The desert oligarchs profited from world-wide investments as well as sleazy banking schemes such as the infamous Bank of Credit and Commerce International.

Salem bin Laden, Osama’s brother, has conducted all his American affairs through James Bath, a Houston crony of the Bush family. Bath’s former business partner Bill White testified in court that Bath had been a liaison for the C.I.A. In 1979 Bath invested $50,000 in Arbusto, George W. Bush’s first business venture. Rumor had it that Bath was acting as Salem bin Laden’s representative. "In conflicting statements, Bush at first denied ever knowing Bath, then acknowledged his stake in Arbusto and that he was aware Bath represented Saudi interests." (4)

In addition to doing aviation business with Saudi sheiks, Bath was part owner of a Houston bank whose chief stockholder was Ghaith Pharaon, who represented the Bank of Commerce and Credit International (BCCI), a criminal global bank with branches in 73 countries. BCCI proceeded to defraud depositors of $10 billion during the ‘80s, while providing a money laundry conduit for the Medellin drug cartel, Asia’s major heroin cartel, Manuel Noriega, Saddam Hussein, the C.I.A., and Islamist terrorist organizations worldwide. (5)

Big Three wheeler-dealer Khalid bin Mahfouz, one of the largest stockholders in the criminal bank, was indicted when the massive BCCI banking scandal blew apart in the early 1990s. The Saudi royal family placed him under house arrest after discovering that Mahfouz had used the royal bank to channel millions of dollars through fake charities into bin Laden’s organizations, but Mahfouz was not so much punished as inconvenienced. (6)

CONTINUED treason...

http://www.hermes-press.com/BushSaud.htm

[BeFree]

18. You are welcome, Octafish

Wasn't Bath the same guy who was Bush's friend when he went AWOL from TANG?

Lets see if I got this straight:
Osama bin Laden's brother invested in Shrub's first business venture - Arbusto (spanish for shrub) Oil - through Bush's buddy Bath.
Or:
The bin Laden family, the very same family that spawned Osama bin Laden, was an early investor in Bush's first business venture.
Or:
The business ties between Osama bin Laden, and GWBush began with GW's first business venture 25 years ago.

[Octafish]

20. To paraphrase Firesign Theatre: "Everything I Know Is Wrong."

And all of what you said is correct.

Great memory, yours. Here's the document that shows Bush and Bath were TANG buddies:



There's an old business partner of Bath's by the name of White. He's a real gold mine and I hope he's in the Federal Witness Protection Program. From Tom Flocco:

WHITE IN THE NICK OF TIME

Saudi banker Mahfouz and construction magnate Salem bin Laden's U.S. representative James Bath had a close business associate named Charles W. "Bill" White. Time Magazine reporters Jonathan Beaty and S.C. Gwynne described the former Navy fighter pilot as the All-American Boy -- and Bath's quiet personality required a complement:

"After the navy he put away his combat decorations, earned a Harvard Business degree and returned to Texas to become a well-paid investment point man for a lot of heavy-hitting Republicans....He was sponsored by another Harvard MBA, Lloyd Bentsen, Jr., son of the Texas senator. Young Bentsen had discovered White on a Harvard recruiting trip....looking for someone who could handle discreet private investments."

"As White explained it, Bentsen suggested he should look up a Houston businessman named James Bath, who was in real estate and aircraft sales, and represented some of the richest Arab sheikhs. Bath, also a friend of George Bush, Jr., was looking for a business partner. Bentsen thought that since Bath was also a former fighter pilot, the two men would have a lot in common." ( The Outlaw Bank)

White and Bath became partners; and predictably, they were successful in a number of land development deals. White was the affable front man, while George Junior's friend James Bath quietly found the investors -- including Saudi billionaires. "Bath told me that he was in the CIA. He told me he was recruited by George H. W. Bush himself in 1976," when the elder Bush was CIA Director, according to Beaty's interview with White.

White added further, "That made sense to me, especially in light of what I had seen once we went into business together. He said that Bush wanted him involved with the Arabs, and to get into the aviation business."

CONTINUED...

http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/archive/scoop/stories/86/29/200208282218.a20163e3.html

[seemslikeadream]

28. Oh, Afghanistan

TRACK LIST

The Bozos Song
The Four Gobs
The 8 Shoes
In The Hot Tub
Hey, Reagan
In The War Zone ---- How physic were they?
Oh, Afghanistan
In The Alley
Violent Juvenile Freaks
In The Hot Tub, Again
This Bus Won't Go To War
Jimmy Carter



PETER: So long, gramma. I got my orders from the government - collect - and I only have ten minutes to leave town.
DAVID: It's going to be dangerous, sonny.
PETER: Only the food, gramma.
DAVID: What's this badge on your uniform, sonny?
PETER: That's the 101st Fighting Clowns emblem. See him smile? And it says our motto - "Semper Humorous" - Always A Laff!
DAVID: What are they gonna do with ya, Donny?
PETER: Well, they drop us at night, without a parachute, holding on to a humungus big watermelon. It confuses the enemy radar into thinking we're 500-lb bombs.
DAVID: Oh, oh! Better leave me a picture, bucky - you're not gonna be back for a long time!
PHIL A: And he wasn't!
PHIL P: Cause after they dropped him on Dunquerque, they dusted him off ...
DAVID: And dropped him on Dusseldorf. And then they dumped him out over Dresden ...
PHIL A: And doped him up and dove him into the D. M. Z.!
SONG :
Oh, let's paint a tear
For the brave Fighting Clowns -
Pushed out of the airplane
They fall to the ground.
Their arms round their melons
They salute us with pride
Their shoes all inflated
They fell down and died!

[Beetwasher]

26. Just Wait! It's-a-Comin' To A Theatre Near You! F911!!

I do belive Moore gets into the Bush/Saudi/Bin Laden connection. People are gonna know lot's things the Bushies do not want them to.

[Octafish]

13. Epstein's done an excellent job of sifting facts.

Here's a link to his info:

http://edwardjayepstein.com/question_oswald2.htm

Spartacus does an excellent job of putting things in perspective:

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKdemohrenschildt.htm

Regarding Wallace. Nixon ordered E Howard Hunt to Bremer's apartment to plant literature making out the guy supported the Democrats. Fine people, those conservatives who never get shot.

From Lisa Pease's article in PROBE:

E. Howard Hunt and Bremer?

The belated desire for secrecy does not jibe with other actions taken by the Bureau. For example, right after the shooting, FBI people entered Bremer’s apartment in Milwaukee. But then, the FBI left for an hour and a half. Upon their return, they sealed off the apartment to all visitors. But why was the apartment left open for press and other visitors in the interim? Anyone could have walked off with, or more interestingly, planted incriminating evidence there. In fact, Gore Vidal, in the New York Review of Books, wrote a long essay in which he postulated that Watergate figure, expert forger and longtime Kennedy assassination suspect Everett Howard Hunt had penned Bremer’s infamous diary. He cited literary allusions and devices combined with misspellings that looked so phony as to have been made deliberately as reasons to disbelieve that Bremer was the original author. Hunt had claimed that Charles Colson had asked him to fly to Milwaukee after the assassination attempt to see what Bremer’s political leanings were.14 Colson maintained, however, that no such conversation took place, and claimed he had instead asked the FBI to look closely into the matter and to keep him posted on what they found. Colson argued that it would make no sense for him to ask the FBI to investigate, and then to send Hunt into the waiting arms of the FBI at Bremer’s apartment. Given Hunt’s proclivity to tell untruths, and given the plausibility of Colson’s position, it seems likely Hunt’s story emerged to cover his own interest in the case. In his autobiography, Hunt claims he went so far as to call airlines in an attempt to book a flight to Milwaukee that night. Hunt wrote,

Reluctantly, I began to pack a bag, adding to it the shaving kit that held my CIA-issue physical disguise and documents....I called several airlines and found that the only available flight would put me in Milwaukee about 11 o’clock that night.15

In the end, however, Hunt claims he decided not to go when he realized the place would be crawling with FBI by the time he got there. Was Hunt afraid that a flight he had booked, and perhaps taken, would be discovered, hence the cover story? In the end, we do not know whether Hunt flew there or not, and whether or not Colson or Hunt suggested the trip in the first place. But there is a curious footnote to this. Bob Woodward of the Washington Post received an anonymous tip that one of the Watergate suspects had gone to meet with Bremer in Milwaukee.16 While no evidence emerged to support that tip, it remains an intriguing item. Even Howard Simons, the Post’s managing editor, made the following comment to Woodward, Bernstein and other editors he had summoned. "There’s one thing we’ve got to think about," he said, regarding the Wallace shooting. "The ultimate dirty trick."17

CONTINUED nefarity...

http://www.webcom.com/ctka/pr599-bremer.html

BTW: A hearty welcome to DU, Xenolith! Really like the moniker, being someone who appreciates what it's like to be half-way to rocked. :wink:

[mopaul]

16. bush sr./J.F.K......bush sr./reagan assasination attempt...boy...

...we wacky liberals can come up with some crazy shit ideas huh?

[Octafish]

17. We need a Grand Unified Conspiracy Theory...

Acronym: BUSH -- Blameless Underhanded Subversion Headman.

If the shoe fits...

http://www.democracyunbound.com/bfeeconclusion.html

BTW: Keep up the great work, mopaul! You're stuff is making some big dents in these turds of the BFEE!



"Lookeetheay, governor!
Issatt world-famous guy,
mopaul!"

[Octafish]

22. Notice the moustache on that fella helpin' Bushler aim.

Coincidence?



Bush thinks not.

[libhill]

33. that thar feller

gonna get yer guns, an` make yer daughters get an A- bortion!

[Octafish]

34. Yeh. And they say that there are fates worse than death.

"Let the people think they govern and they will be governed."
William Penn (1644–1718), founder of Pennsylvania



Taking Back Our Country From the Plutocrats

By Norman D. Livergood

The United States constitution defines our form of government as a representative democracy. Informed, aware citizens elect congressional representatives, a president, and vice-president who are to "establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity."

That's the ideal the U.S. constitution provides for us, and it behooves all thinking Americans to defend that ideal with our very lives.

However, from the founding of the United States, our democracy has been subverted in actual practice.

The de facto government of the United States is a plutocracy, the rule by the wealthy. America has never been a complete or true democracy, though it has achieved a large number of democratic features. A small group of wealthy people in America has always ruled the nation for its own benefit, not for the welfare of the people. William Penn and other founders of our nation realized that the American people could be fooled into thinking that we govern if our nation is called a democracy, rule of the people.

CONTINUED...

http://www.hermes-press.com/pollindex.htm

[PATRICK]

19. Again the public misses the Bushes

as hijackers of yet another legacy. Cynically they began as the ones trying to put themselves above the Right. Then, even more cynically they took Reagan's doddering mantle. They climb over any affectionate weakness, any semblance of public support to grab power over all of us, right, left or center.

We should not forget who is waltzing, not tapdancing, on Reagan's grave.

[Octafish]

21. You have a rare gift, PATRICK.

"We should not forget who is waltzing, not tapdancing, on Reagan's grave."

Thank you for putting it into words, PATRICK.

More words for the wise:

When Hitler came for the Jews... I was not a Jew, therefore, I was not concerned.
And when Hitler attacked the Catholics, I was not a Catholic, and therefore, I was not concerned.
And when Hitler attacked the unions and the industrialists, I was not a member of the unions and I was not concerned.
Then, Hitler attacked me and the Protestant church — and there was nobody left to be concerned.

— Pastor Martin Niemoller, Congressional Record, October 14, 1968, vol. 114, p. 31636.

SOURCE (with lots o' links for those concerned about government power):

http://www.constitution.org/cs_civic.htm

[Beetwasher]

25. Some Might Just Call It A Coincidence

I wouldn't....

[Octafish]

31. Ian Fleming wouldn't believe these days are possible.

"Once, it's coincidence.
Twice, happenstance.
Three times, it's enemy action."



Auric Goldfinger

In his wildest imagination, Ian Fleming could not imagine such an all-powerful criminal conspiracy as the Bush Family Evil Empire. What's more, in all his writings no villain ever took over the government of the United States.
Fleming was a personal friend of President John F. Kennedy.

[Karenina]

47. Me neither...

:kick:

[Octafish]

50. Thanks, Karenina! Ever hear about J Edgar Hoover and Texas Oil, um, LBJ?

Telephone conversation between Lyndon B. Johnson and J. Edgar Hoover (23rd November, 1963)

J. Edgar Hoover: I just want to let you know of a development which I think is very important in connection with this case. This man in Dallas (Lee Harvey Oswald). We, of course, charged him with the murder of the President. The evidence that they have at the present time is not very strong.... We have the gun and we have the bullet. There was only one and that was found on the stretcher that the President was on...

Lyndon B. Johnson: Have you established any more about the visit to the Soviet Embassy in Mexico in September?

J. Edgar Hoover: No, that's one angle that is very confusing. We have up here the tape and this photograph of the man who was at this Soviet Embassy, using Oswald's name. That picture and the tape do not correspond to this man's voice, nor to his appearance. In other words, it appears that there is a second person who was at the Soviet Embassy down there.

SOURCE:

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/USAhooverE.htm

[seemslikeadream]

36. Pappa Octafish please explain this Reagan Thatcher thing

Reagan and Station
1984: Reagan describes Space Station Freedom to Thatcher. Reagan showed the Space Station model to the other G7 leaders at the London economic summit in June 1984.

[Octafish]

38. Ayn Rand fused with Orphan Annie.

Ronnie was a solipsist. Margaret Thatcher wishes she were one.



BTW: Love the tapestry, which captures the Saddam Hussein-Shah of Iran symbolism just beautifully! Note the desperate donkey. Is it Nepalese?

[seemslikeadream]

40. the tapestry and a lovely little war

Reagan and Thatcher, 1987 Poster colour, gouache and gold dust on paper. Rabindra KD Kaur Singh.
This satirical portrait was inspired by a traditional miniature painting,
Jahangir Embracing Shah Abbas of Persia. Although the overall composition
remains the same as the original, certain elements have been modified to create
a modern reinterpretation of the theme. For instance, the lamb and the lion seen
in the Mughal painting are replaced here with a mule and a vixen, chosen to
represent the personality of Reagan and Thatcher respectively. Likewise, the
golden halo seen surrounding the head of Jahangir as a symbol of his greatness
has been replaced by a mushroom cloud halo representing the threat of nuclear
war that looms, as long as the world leaders continue to be in favour of nuclear
arms. The vixen which crosses the Atlantic to join the mule represents the
pro-American policies of Britain. However, whilst Abul Hassan's work was painted
to honour and glorify Jahangir and the peace enjoyed during his rule, this
portrait, by contrast, mocks the political rulers of today. For the artist,


Thatcher and Reagan typify those political individuals who seek power purely
for their own financial gain and self glorification and whose personal
ambitions in supporting such policies as nuclear armament present a threat
to the world whose very interests they claim to have at heart.


The Invasion of Grenada

written by Julie Wolf

"A lovely little war" was what one correspondent called the 1983 U.S. invasion of Grenada. Most saw Operation Urgent Fury, its official name, as a guaranteed victory. The Caribbean island, the smallest independent country in the Western Hemisphere, was no match for American military might. Reagan championed the invasion as another step toward ridding the world of Communism, but the big victory over the little island also served as a major public relations coup for the recently battered administration.

On October 13, 1983, Reagan was made aware of possible trouble in Grenada. Deputy Prime Minister Bernard Coard, a Communist hard-liner backed by the Grenadian Army, had deposed Prime Minister Maurice Bishop and established military rule. Six days later, Bishop was murdered. A socialist with ties to Cuba, Bishop had been taking his time making Grenada wholly socialist; he had encouraged private-sector development in an attempt to make the island a popular tourist destination. With the Communist Coard in power, Reagan grew more concerned.

Reagan was most concerned by the presence of Cuban construction workers and military personnel building a 10,000-foot airstrip on Grenada. Though Bishop had claimed the purpose of the airstrip was to allow commercial jets to land, Reagan believed its purpose was to allow military transport planes loaded with arms from Cuba to be transferred to Central American insurgents.

Also weighing on Reagan was the security of the 800 American medical students enrolled at St. George's School of Medicine in the former British commonwealth. After the coup, there was violence and anarchy, and with martial law and a shoot-on-sight curfew in effect in Grenada, Reagan was joined by many of his advisers, as well as much of the American public, in believing that the rescue of the American students was justification for an invasion.

Grenada had been something of a pet project for Reagan since his visit to Barbados in 1982, where Caribbean leaders echoed Reagan's own fear: that Grenada, with its socialist government and proximity to Cuba, could become a Communist beachhead in the Caribbean. While Reagan had been focused on Grenada for some time, he was unfairly accused of using the invasion to distract attention from other world events.

On October 23, a suicide bomber drove his truck into a U.S. Marine barracks in Beirut. According to the official report, "The force of the explosion ripped the building from its foundation.… Almost all the occupants were crushed or trapped inside the wreckage." Numbers told an even more devastating story. The bomb, which had produced the largest non-nuclear blast on record, exploded with the force of 12,000 pounds of TNT and killed 241 Marines. Reagan's placement of the Marines as peacekeepers of a tenuous cease-fire between Christians and Muslims in Lebanon had been divisive from the start. Secretary of Defense Caspar Weinberger had repeatedly called for the withdrawal of forces, insisting that Lebanon was too unstable and of little strategic importance to the United States; Secretary of State George Shultz reflected Reagan's view that a U.S. presence was essential to maintaining peace.

Although the final decision to invade Grenada was made shortly after the Beirut bombings, by the time of the massacre in October 1983, Reagan had all but officially approved the invasion of Grenada. The accusation that the bombing in Lebanon motivated the invasion was, therefore, unfounded. If anything, one reporter argued, the destruction of the Marine barracks may have caused Reagan to hesitate.

On October 25, U.S. Marines invaded Grenada, where they encountered unexpectedly heavy antiaircraft fire and ground resistance by the Cuban soldiers and laborers building the controversial airstrip. In two days they subdued the air and ground forces.

Reagan's credibility was bolstered by what the 5,000-strong American invading force found on the island: a cache of weapons that could arm 10,000 men -- automatic rifles, machine guns, rocket launchers, antiaircraft guns, howitzers, cannon, armored vehicles and coastal patrol boats. In all, out of 800 Cubans, 59 were killed, 25 were wounded, and the rest were returned to Havana upon surrender. Forty-five Grenadians died, and 337 were wounded. America also suffered casualties: 19 dead and 119 wounded. The medical students came home unharmed.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/reagan/peopleevents/pande07.html

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48. The Marine barracks bombing was inexcusable. The US embassy in Beirut...

... had been attacked in the exact same manner a few months earlier.

Why weren't the Marines and other service members better protected?

Why was security left to chance?

Who was the incompetent turd in charge?

They should have impeached the whole lot of them the same day.

Want to learn more? Visit:

http://www.beirut-memorial.org/history/

EDIT: Tippo, added URL.

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49. Torture memo puts focus on Nevada judge Off topic but important

Remember this guy?


Torture memo puts focus on Nevada judge


CARSON CITY, Nev. (AP) - A legal memo advising the White House that torturing al-Qaida captives "may be justified" in the war on terror has focused attention on Jay Bybee, a Nevadan who signed the document as a top Justice Department adviser in 2002.

Bybee, a former professor at the UNLV Boyd School of Law, headed a team that provided legal guidance to the Bush administration on a range of issues, including its course in pursuing terrorists and those with potential knowledge of the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks.

An authority on constitutional and administrative law, Bybee, 50, returned to Las Vegas last year as a judge on the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals. He was confirmed by the Senate on a 74-19 vote in March 2003.


Bybee's signature on a controversial 50-page memo was reported on Tuesday after being obtained by The Washington Post. Bybee was assistant attorney general and chief of the Office of Legal Counsel.

http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/nevada/2004/jun/10/061010210...

...a Bush 03' appointee..


War is Golden for the Bush Administration - Jay Bybee


The Italian bank BNL was one of BCCI's main tentacles. BNL's Atlanta branch was the primary funnel used by the first Bush Administration to send millions of secret dollars to Saddam for arms purchases, including deadly chemicals and other WMD materials supplied by the Chilean arms dealer Cardoen and various politically-connected operators in the United States like, weapons merchant Matrix Churchill. (As always with the Busha Nostra, geopolitics--in this case, helping Saddam wage aggressive war against Iran--and crony profits go hand in hand. Once the war was over and Iran was left a shattered hulk, with millions dead and displaced, the useful idiot Saddam was expendable, swiftly morphing from good buddy into budding Hitler.)

As soon as the BNL case broke, President Bush I moved to throttle the investigation. He appointed lawyers from both Cardoen and Matrix to top Justice Department posts--where they supervised the officials investigating their old companies. Meanwhile, White House aides applied heavy pressure on other prosecutors to restrict the range of the probe--especially the fact that Bush cabinet officials Brent Scowcroft and Lawrence Eagleburger had served as consultants for BNL during their pre-White House days as spear-carriers for yet another secretive international front that profits from war, weapons, etc., etc.: Kissinger Associates.

Which brings us to the judicial appointment. One of the White House aides who unlawfully intervened in the BNL prosecution was a certain factotum named Jay S. ByBee. Last week, said factotum was nominated by the current warmer of the Oval Office seat, George W. Bush, to a place on the federal appeals court--a lifetime sinecure of perks and power. Well done, thou good and faithful servant!

And the commodities connection? President Pretzel's relentless hissy-fit for war on Iraq has of course goosed the price of gold enormously--and that's set Bush Family coffers a-clinking. How so? In the waning days of his failed presidency, Bush I invoked an obscure 1872 statute to give a Canadian firm, Barrick Corporation, the right to mine $10 billion in gold from U.S. public lands. (U.S. taxpayers got a whopping $10,000 fee in return.) Bush then joined Barrick as a highly-paid "international consultant," brokering deals with various dictators of his close acquaintance. Barrick reciprocated with big bucks for Junior's presidential run. And in another quid for the old pro quo, last year Junior dutifully approved Barrick's controversial acquisition of a major rival. (Barrick is also one of the biggest polluters in America, by the way.)

more
http://www.counterpunch.org/floyd02152003.html

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51. !??JUDGE?!! Jay S. ByBee.

Federal sinecure is about the going rate for treason, it seems. Nice work, if you can stomach it.

Hey, ByBee! Here's what your "service" is doing to our country!