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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-04 06:58 AM
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When the DRAFT starts, this War will come to a Screeching Halt
the point at which they start TAKING our sons and daughters, is the point where all bets are OFF. THAT POINT is where the revolution will begin in earnest.
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Nlighten1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-04 07:01 AM
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1. I don't know...
Look at what happened during the Vietnam war...America wasn't exactly ripe for revolution then. To get to the point where revolution is on the lips of America I think it will take much more.
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Corgigal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-04 07:04 AM
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2. I really hope your right
because the young people I see, aged 16/17 just don't think it's going to happen to them. They rather play video games and not see what world event is coming and threating their very being.
Now, maybe not all the kids have their head in the sand or maybe it's too scary for them to even consider but we are going to have a bunch of crying young men/gals on our hands if what you post is true.
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SarahB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-04 07:06 AM
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3. Unless there's another terrorist attack....
:scared:

I fear if there were, people just wouldn't see what could be potentially behind it and off they would willingly march. I hope not though.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-04 07:15 AM
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5. And I believe the Bush Crime Family still has LIHOP #2 planned for
prior to election.

Look out, San Franciscans. The Busheviks and al-Qaeda hate you for the exact same reasons!
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ElementaryPenguin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-04 11:14 AM
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15. I have the exact same fear, TP!
Al Qaeda leaders such as Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Karl Rove, Paul Wolfowitz - they must be chomping at the bit to whack a God forsaken place like S.F. - with all that obnoxious freedom (which they hate so much) running rampant!

:scared:

:mad:
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-04 11:21 AM
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16. Yeah. I live here. . .
and I've had precisely this same thought. If the port of Oakland gets vaporized by a nuke in a shipping container, know that I am likely gone.

I'll pity the living.

BMU
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chelsea0011 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-04 07:08 AM
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4. Reality is a great equalizer
Burn those draft cards, baby............burn:grr: :grr: :grr:
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SlingBlade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-04 07:23 AM
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6. The idea that the draft
Would equalize and spread the “Killing” to those who support this travesty is appealing.
But I fear it would as in past drafts only increase the number of working class kids who die in Freeper inspired war fantasies.

They ALL seem to find a way out, While my kid has no choice other than Canada or some other less attractive option.

The only way I see a draft being beneficial is to remove all of the freeper loop holes.
:scared:
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Blue Wally Donating Member (974 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-04 07:28 AM
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7. Maybe We Need a Draft
A draft is a great equalizer. I was a child of the thirties (not very many of us born in those years). As a result, when we came of age in the fifties and had a very large peacetime draft, the question wasn't whether you would serve, but how and when you would serve. President Eisenhower even proposed Universal Military Service which was a hotly debated topic while I was in high school. Military deferments were just that, deferred service. When your deferment came to an end, you were at the top of the list at the "selective service board".

During Vietnam, the baby boomer glut had come of age and even with increased draft calls, the percentage of young men that were called dropped precipitously making it more chancy and skewing service towards those who couldn't afford to get out.

Maybe we need a universal draft with choices of lesser paid public service such as CCC or WPA work and higher paid military service.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-04 07:29 AM
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8. Bush Whines the Cosmetic TV tears for RayGoon but,
thinks so little of the American soldier, who really did do something for their country, that he never honors the fallen ones! He hides the coffins like the soldiers were thieves or worse! The UN should send the whole Bushco gang to Baghdad to live out their sorry days, which no doubt, would be very short in number, if the "Liberated people of Iraq got their hands on the lying bastards!

KKKarl Rove tells Bush when to cry even!
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BJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-04 07:32 AM
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9. Years ago..............................
Edited on Thu Jun-10-04 08:32 AM by BJ
Back in the Seventies I said to my "revolutionary" friends that the revolution will begin when hamburger reaches a dollar a pound. The price of hamburger's long since gone past that.

Now National Guard, reserves and regular Army and Marine troops in Iraq tours of duty are extended at the merest whim of Rumsfeld and the Pentagon. As of yet, especially among those units that have been there longest, there has not been a whiff of mutiny.

Americans, as a society, seem to have this innate capacity for taking it in the shorts for indefinite periods of time without complaint. Hell, in many other countries in the world, with all that's happened recently (the Iraq war, occupation, gasoline price gouging), people would be out in the streets banging on pot and pans by now. But not in the good ol' U.S. of A.

If a draft is re-instated nothing will happen in the streets. There will be no demonstrations. Anyway, opposition to a draft is mainly the province of white, middle class liberals, in both the political sense of the word and in education, as in liberal arts degree holder, whose concerns will be dismissed by the "mainstream" (whore) media and reactionaries alike.
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Blue Wally Donating Member (974 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-04 10:59 AM
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11. Gasoline Price Gouging Compared to What??
In the fifties when I was in high school, regular leaded gas was $0.239 a gallon. Today I purchase regular unleaded gasoline for $2.059 a gallon. Gasoline has gone up in price by a factor of 8.6.

In the fifities when I went away to college, I could send a first class letter to my folks for 3 cents. I boughts a roll of stamps two days ago for 37 cents a stamp. First class mail has gone up by a factor of 12.3.

Who is "gouging" me, the oil sheiks and the oil companies or my friendly neighborhood postman??
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-04 08:16 AM
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10. Really?
Can you describe your "revolution" for us? Give us a hint in what direction it will go? Any clues who will be leading it?

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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-04 11:00 AM
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12. parents like me
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ArkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-04 11:40 AM
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21. Let's see, the latest army slogan comes to mind.
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Blue Wally Donating Member (974 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-04 11:02 AM
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13. Hopefully
Someone who doesn't look silly on horseback.
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-04 11:03 AM
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14. I'm 25 years old, been politically aware for 5, this is my observation
There will be no revolution. Most people won't be able to get off work.
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-04 11:24 AM
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17. Maybe there will be nuff of those not working to do the job. lol
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PfcHammer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-04 11:28 AM
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18. Some will resist, but I suspect most won't. Never underestimate how
compliant and easily commanded the sheeple are.
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evil_orange_cat Donating Member (910 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-04 11:32 AM
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19. as dumb as Bush is... I don't think they will do a draft...
in polls I've seen the draft is like 80% unpopular... I don't think he would alienate voters... even AFTER the election (if he wins) because a draft would ensure a democrat victory in 2008. I doubt Bush wants to usher in the Hillary era by doing something so unpopular.
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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-04 11:36 AM
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20. Unfortunately a lot of Americans are Complacent
they don't like to exert any energy beyond what it takes to go to work, turn on the TV and shop....

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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-04 01:44 PM
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22. Before revolution is even a remote possibility, there will be martial law.
Bush may be dumb, but he is aware, as is everyone else in his misadministration, that there is widespread opposition to the draft. Then again, there used to be widespread opposition to an imperial takeover of the Middle East by the United States. The PNAC was aware of this and noted in 1998 that it would take "another Pearl Harbor" for that opposition to shift.

These masters of manipulation will use the same tactics on a greater scale to bring about Dumbya's second term and the Middle East conquest they desire. But how many years of draft-propelled imperialism abroad and liberty-quashing martial law at home will it take for revolution to even be a consideration? So many Americans seem to be sleepwalking through this current coup d'etat that they won't even admit it is one.

What's it gonna take?
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