MSNBC - Economy is doing great ! Why isn't it showing for Bush in polls?

[kentuck]

The media scratches its head in bewilderment. Why, indeed? The people of this country remember quite well he effects of the huge deficits of the Reagan-Bush years. They understand that our nation would be in a terrible bind right now if Clinton had not managed to balance the budget during his eight years. They also understand that these present deficits of George W Bush are a threat on the horizon. They do not believe that "deficits do not matter", as VP Cheney has been quoted as saying. They are looking for fiscal responsibility and they do not see it in George W Bush and the Republicans. Pass it on to your friends in the media.

[Beetwasher]

1. The People In This Country Are More Savvy Than The Media

is giving them credit for. They might as well be asking "Why isn't our Orwellian propoganda and Newspeak working on the masses?"

People know prices are going up and they still don't have jobs, no matter how much happy talk comes out of the idiot box.

[Windy]

2. two words

WAR/LIES

[lancdem]

3. It's not showing up in their pockets, that's why

In 1994, job growth was better than it is now, but the Dems still got crushed in the mid-term elections.

[Warpy]

4. The majority of people who are shut out of the stock market

know damned well how this economy is doing, and it isn't doing well. Inflation in the price of every necessity is going at a clip not seen since the 1970s and the OPEC oil shocks. The Help Wanted sections of the newspaper remain slimmer than at any time since the last Bush was in office. The new jobs trumpeted every month are simply not there, and people here in workaday land know when more companies close their offices, call centers, and plants and move all those jobs to other countries.

I'm afraid there's a huge disconnect between the rosy reporting by newscasters who look only at the value of their stock portfolios and what the rest of us in this country are actually experiencing.

Who knows, maybe nobody will believe anything these bozos tell us from now on.

[Tempest]

5. Economy doing great, workers are not

Employment is up, if you consider service industry level jobs real employment. People are working longer hours for less pay.

Inflation is up higher than wages. Workers are losing ground in purchasing power.

Bush's tax cuts are hurting state, county and local governments. Those taxes are going up to cover federal funds which have dried up.

[rniel]

14. For rich only

things have gotten much better. for regular folks-they were layed off months ago and most have taken up jobs for less money than they used to make.

[obnoxiousdrunk]

6. Why don't

the burger flipper's support Chimp ???

[Bandit]

28. You mean manufacturers don't you?

:shrug: That is one more reason people don't trust Bush*. He has tried to reclassify the fast food industry as manufacturers. They don't manufacture hamburgers, they assemble if anything at all.

[tandot]

7. For the regular folks, the economy stinks...

high gas prices, higher prices for groceries, and no increase in our pay.

As so many other folks, I struggle from month to month to pay my bills. Great economy? Where? Here? No way!

[Mountainman]

8. Because the economy is effecting the different classes differently

If you are wealthy, you got a tax cut. You don't have to worry about losing a job. Goods made in foreign countries and shipped back here are cheaper to buy than when they were made here. If you invest in real estate or stocks you are making money. The cost of SUV's is down. The price of gas doesn't really bother you because you can afford it.

Now if you are in the working class, you didn't get a tax cut and if you did it wasn't anything that made a difference in your life. You are either unemployed or are afraid you might lose your job. You don't want to spend very much money because you fear that you won't be able to pay your bills if you are laid off. You don't invest because all your income goes to living expenses. You can't afford to buy a new car. The price of gas is really hurting you because you can't reduce your driving very much since it already is at a minimum and you have to chose between gas and food. Inflation is getting to be a problem because you haven't had a raise in years and don't expect to get one.


Same economy, different perspective.

[JHBowden]

9. McJobs.

In the spring of 2000 I was making 15 bucks an hour. Now I'm back in school, but while working for the summer, I'm making 8.75.

Yeah, I can find work, but it isn't like the good'ol Clinton days.

[Davis_X_Machina]

10. Commerce is sitting on the (PPI) inflation figures for May...

...and will release them tomorrow when the markets are closed.

Suspicious, no?

[Speck Tater]

11. There are two separate economies...

There's the economy of the rich who are invested in bonds and the stock market, and there is the economy of the single mother who works at WalMart. Too often the phrase "the economy is good" means good for the rich, and bad for the rest of us. After all it is the rich who define what "good" and "bad" mean in this context.

Since Bush long ago lost all touch with reality, when he hears that the economy is "good" he foolishly thinks that means it's good for everyone, rather than good only for his rich cronies.

[kodi]

12. maybe the pollsters polled the 350K who just lost their jobs this week?

.

[takebackourjobs]

13. The media need to get a clue

They can report the phony employment numbers until economic doomsday and the public will not buy in. When your unemployed technical friends go back to work, you will know there is a recovery going on. And I'm not talking about going back to work on the burger assembly line. Bush can't be saved on the economic issues even if they manage to phony-up a complete recovery of the 3,000,000+ jobs that were previously lost.

I'm so sick of the business-backed media blowing bush's horn. How can you trust corporations like GE to give you straight economic information?

[JCMach1]

15. Because it's not doing well... people realize the difference

It was a REAL eyeopener to move to a country with a REAL booming economy!

The only one's the economy is improving for is the rich and the corporations...

[mom cat]

16. The economy is doing great!.. but only for the have-lots.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

17. Because most people understand that the economy is NOT doing....

..."great" at all. Most people can see that the alleged unemployment numbers have been manipulated on a monthly basis, and they can also see that the growing national debt coupled with personal/family indebtedness is a looming time-bomb just waiting to go off. Add to that the rising gasoline and produce prices and you have a real witches' brew.

Oh, and have I mentioned the ongoing wars in the Middle East, and the growing burden those wars are placing on the economy?

And when will Greenspan begin to raise interest rates...BEFORE the election and torpedo the FratBoy Fuhrer, or AFTER the election when the economy no longer matters to the FratBoy Fuhrer but would absolutely hammer Kerry?

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[redqueen]

21. Is this supposed to be funny?

:wtf:

[obnoxiousdrunk]

23. Well under

Clinton college grads didn't have to drive cabs or flip bugers.

[takebackourjobs]

24. Right......

I can have you old 8.00/hr job and be damn glad that job didn't go to India along with my old 75.00/hr job. And that's a republican economic recovery for you.

[camero]

25. Bwahahaha

All the old mantras. Maybe we'll be rich someday (while the poor don't get to eat).

Maybe I'll get to lord over people one day (while being a slave-driver and destroying careers and families).

Poverty is over 20% now. Almost a quarter of the population has no health insurance. That's RW economics for you.

[redqueen]

26. OMG

It's right there, in black and white!

The tacit admission that the jobs are crap, but it's better than being unemployed... the obvious desire to move up to a better paying 'management' job, no apparent thoughts as to why profits are UP but wages are DOWN...

*sigh*:(

[camero]

27. They aren't being too subtle anymore are they? n/t

[redqueen]

29. 80's was the 'greed is good' decade

I hope the double oughts aren't going to be the 'ignorance is good' decade. :(

[camero]

30. Unfortunately

I think it will be the "I've got mine, up yours" decade. :( Unless Kerry turns it around.

I keep hearing the "Get it now, before it all goes away" mantra.

[thebigidea]

32. remember, listening to Boortz damages brain cells

[KoKo]

19. They can't understand why their propaganda and Kudlow & Cramer aren't

impressing the public. Their "disinformation campaign" isn't achieving the desired results and it throws their "marketing predictions" and "sales figures" off.

It worked for so long, why not now? :eyes:

[redqueen]

20. All jobs are not equal

The moronic talking head whores don't realize it, because they get big fat paychecks to forget and spew only the party line.

When Work Doesn't Pay: A Report on the Republican Job Record

[Zero Gravitas]

22. Its the jobs, stupid

so what if some pig CEO is better off? So what if there are a half million new (part-time) "manufacturing" jobs (burger-flipping, no benefits) its not going to help Chimpy if the average person is working harder for less (which is exactly what the cheap-labor Conservatives and their brain dead lemming followers want).

Plus some people are finally waking up tot he fact that the Chimperistas are cynical liars, out of control fascist madmen and are generally incompetent.

[LiberalEconomist]

31. If CNN, MSNBC, FOX, CNBC, ABC, CBS, NBC, NPR

are the media, then golfing is an athletic event.