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Jivenwail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-04 06:29 AM
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Please, is this "fact" or "fiction"?
That neither Clinton or Carter were not invited to attend the reagan funeral?

I ask because I found my 88 year old mother in tears yesterday afternoon after one of the seniors at her meeting yesterday told her that Clinton was not invited to attend the funeral because "he made fun of reagan having Alzheimer's". She told her friend that Clinton would never do something like that, but she was so upset - she adores Clinton. I inquired as to where her friend her such crap (Limbaugh, perhaps?) but she said she was so stunned hearing it, she didn't ask.

If anyone can call this one for what it really is, I'd appreciate it. I've looked this morning and can only find reference to Clinton/Carter not having been invited to speak, at Nancy's request.

Thanks all - I just have to help my mother through this one!
(and sorry if this has been discussed at all during this week)
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-04 06:31 AM
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1. Fiction
Clinton and Carter will both be at the funeral, but neither was invited to speak. Rather partisan, if you ask me, but that's how the modern Republican party works.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-04 06:37 AM
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3. BushCO probably wouldn't allow it - they don't want the comparison
I can't remember ever seeing Bush speak on the same platform as Clinton. Can you imagine?
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-04 06:36 AM
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2. All former presidents will attend
All former presidents and first ladies (except maybe Lady Bird Johnson, who is probably not well enough to make the trip) will attend. Tape record the funeral this morning, as I'm sure we will see them all. Clinton was not asked to speak, and Matt Drudge, in his usual style of responsible journalism, printed that unsubstantiated, anonymously sourced story that Clinton was supposedly miffed by the snub. Who knows. The burial ceremony is in California and is for family and close friends. No former presidents will attend that event.

There is no record, even from unreliable sources, of Clinton "making fun of" Reagan, or anyone else with Alzheimer's.
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-04 08:37 AM
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16. Wow, LBJ's widow is still alive??? She must be what, 100? (nt)
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never_get_over_it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-04 08:41 AM
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18. Lady Bird is 92
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-04 06:40 AM
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4. Supposedly Nancy made the decisions
Edited on Fri Jun-11-04 06:40 AM by DoYouEverWonder
to exclude any one who wasn't a repug from participating in any on the ceremonies.

I didn't realize she was such a partisan? Or did the Bu$hie's take advantage of her distraught state to help her plan the events?

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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-04 06:48 AM
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6. Nancy?????
She loathes the Bushes. Always has.I don't think she asked anyone to speak. Reagan Himself planned most of it.He wanted the state funeral and twilight burial in Ca. Ron Jr. publically stated hoe much his family hates the Bushes and has no use for the Republican Party who cater to what he calls "mouth breathers"!I think Nancy has been coerced. She would never willingly allow her Ronnie to be used in such a manner.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-04 07:03 AM
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7. Yet, look who is delivering the eulogy.
You'd think, if they really want to honor him, they could find a republican somewhere with:

1. Some honor

2. Decent communication skills.

What a send-off for "the great communicator," to be eulogized by *.
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stavka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-04 07:51 AM
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8. Gerald Ford isn't going to speak.....
At least I haven't heard he is going to.....

The funeral belongs to the family IMHO
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charlie105 Donating Member (408 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-04 08:09 AM
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11. Nancy Decides???!?!!!!!!
Edited on Fri Jun-11-04 08:09 AM by charlie105
Let her decide when she has a private service. This is a friggin 'State Funeral' paid for my hard-earned nickel. We waste millions and Nancy makes the call? Ridiculous!
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CO Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-04 08:40 AM
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17. No....
Because it's a state funeral, the current Head of State speaks, according to protocol. That's why Clinton (a Democrat) spoke at the funeral of Richard Nixon (a Republican.)
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frankly_fedup2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-04 06:44 AM
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5. That's terrible . . .
Tell your mother to tell her so-called "friends" that during Nixon's funeral, Bill Clinton spoke there because he was the president at the time. Dubya should be the only "President" to speak at Ronald Reagan's funeral. The other living presidents usually attend the funerals; however, they do not participate.

Also, what is on Drudge about "Clinton" being angry is a bunch of bull per CSPAN. It was stated that they had done a lot of research to see if this "Drudge" rumor was true, and they could find nothing of the like.

I cannot believe that they have someway weaved Clinton's name into something negative about President Reagan.

I suppose they have to keep it up because they know Hillary is going to run eventually and it scares the crap out of them. They are going to put Elizabeth Dole up against Hillary but Hillary will win. The Republicans have to try to continue to trash the Clinton name per Rush Oxycontin Limbaugh and Limbaugh's wanna be Hannity.

Clinton only had kind words for President Reagan and his family. Just as any other ex-president that is still alive.
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-04 07:55 AM
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9. They're Invited, And. . .
Edited on Fri Jun-11-04 07:56 AM by ProfessorGAC
. . .on Washington Journal this morning, they went through a litany of the funeral speakers of the presidents who have died since FDR.

No ex-president ever spoke at any other ex-prez's funeral. Clinton spoke at Nixon's, and Nixon spoke at Truman's, but they were sitting presidents at the time.

So, they were invited. They'll be there. They weren't asked to speak, but no other ex-prez has ever spoken at such a funeral service. (At least for the last 60 years.)
The Professor
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-04 08:02 AM
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10. No other president
ever had Ronniepalooza Week either.

There have been ceremonies all over the place and all of the speakers have been repugs. Yesterday, Tom Daschle said that he would have been honored to speak at the ceremony when the casket arrived, if he had been asked, but that Nancy was making all the decisions and it was up to her who to invite.



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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-04 08:15 AM
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14. Other Than The Disgraced Nixon. . .
. . .which one died during the cable news, 24/7 cycle, era?

Kennedy's funeral was a PRETTY BIG DEAL! Lots of pomp & circumstance. Obviously, a different, a more tragic situation, but still, the JFKpalooza, while more somber, was the one and only news event that week.

Johnson's was a pretty big deal, but again, no 24/7 news cycle and there weren't 8 news networks, 4 of whom with nothing else to do but broadcast current events.

Truman's was small, but that was by his request and his family's. There were NO speakers at Truman's masonic funeral service.

I really think it's more a sign of the time, even though i concur that the hagiographies have been sickening.
The Professor
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CO Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-04 08:43 AM
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19. And JFK's Was Only Three Days Long
He died on Friday, lay in state over the weekend, and was buried on Monday.
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-04 08:14 AM
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13. Thank you Prof. I also proved that drudge's story was phony and he was
simply paid to scandal monger...

he gets a lot of hits whenever he says "CLINTON" apparently.
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chelsea0011 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-04 08:12 AM
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12. The repukes couldn't take the chance that Clinton might be eloquent
Edited on Fri Jun-11-04 08:12 AM by Feeney2
And Bush would look...well, Bushlike
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RossMcLochNess Donating Member (125 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-04 08:34 AM
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15. Fiction
They will be there, just not speaking. Its the same as LBJ's funeral. At his funeral, by wishes of the family, no repugs were asked to speak there. I don't see it as partisan. I see it as common sense. Why would you ask your opponent(s)to eulogize you?
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-04 08:48 AM
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20. Bullshit. Clinton has been better about Reagan than Bushler.
Find the Clinton video. He gives a very strong eulogy in a street interview.
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