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elf Donating Member (805 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-04 10:55 AM
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Doubts over web filtering plans !
Edited on Sat Jun-12-04 11:10 AM by elf
BT's plans to filter some websites set a dangerous precedent, warns technology analyst Bill Thompson


Read this article, because how many "server not found" errors are actually covert censorship by the government?


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/3797563.stm
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Don_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-04 10:59 AM
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1. Look At The White House
All you have to do is Google "White House + robot.txt" to discover 30+ pages of information the misadministration dosen't want the public to see.

I wonder what else is out there that we don't know about?
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treepig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-04 11:04 AM
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2. thank you for alerting me to the importance of this article
by using 21 exclamation points.

if you had only used 19 or 20, i probably wouldn't have bothered clicking on this thread, and would has missed something interesting.
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elf Donating Member (805 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-04 11:09 AM
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3. sorry I know I do it all the time
maybe too excited, writing in English and being afraid to miss the point by using wrong vocabulary?

:toast:
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-04 11:22 AM
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4. Just don't forget and put the verb at the end of the sentence
or we Americans won't know what you are talking about.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-04 12:04 PM
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7. Does DU have any plan for evading such filtering when it comes?
Edited on Sat Jun-12-04 12:05 PM by AndyTiedye
What do we do when they start blocking access to DU and sites like it?

Do we have a plan?
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-04 11:25 AM
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5. Brit Telecom filter is interesting - But Whitehouse filter -and mediastudy
Edited on Sat Jun-12-04 11:26 AM by papau
are perhaps of more interest.

http://mediastudy.com/

http://mediastudy.com/articles/av12-11-03.html
http://216.239.41.104/search?q=cache:s_0dLhrC-_8J:mediastudy.com/articles/av12-11-03.html+White+House+%2B+robot.txt&hl=en

The biggest “eat-my-words” quote of this war, however, came from George W. Bush himself on May 1st (May Day), 2003, when he unilaterally declared the ongoing Iraq war to be “over.” His words, uttered on the deck of the aircraft carrier USS Abraham Lincoln, as he made history by being the first standing American president to don a military uniform while serving in civilian office, were posted on the White House website. The web page explained that Bush announced “Combat operations in Iraq have ended.”

This statement became a horrific sort of joke in the ensuing months as both Americans and Iraqis continued to die by the score in what was clearly an ongoing war. With far more US service personnel killed and wounded since the supposed end of the war, than during the war, Americans began to question Bush’s “war is over” myth. In October, however, Bush seems to have changed his speech post-facto. The new version of the old speech now reads that “major” combat operations have ended. The original speech, declaring by inference that all combat operations have ended, seems to have gone down the memory hole, unceremoniously deleted by a real-life Winston.

The Google Internet search engine, however, creates snapshots of all the web pages that its crawlers scan, including the White House site. Hence, there was an embarrassing anomaly, with the Google cache of the site having the original speech, and the actual White House site having the doctored “archive.” The White House shot back with a response beyond the technological vision of Orwell’s days. They embedded search robot control instructions (robot.txt) into their websites to “disallow” Google and other Internet search engines from archiving many pages pertaining to Iraq . Critics claim this gives the White House more of a free hand to rewrite their own history. The White House techies counter that they just wanted to eliminate the possibility of confusing duplicate results appearing on search engine result pages.

The problem, however, of embarrassing words disappearing from government websites appears to be growing. Take the case of US Agency for International Development (AID) administrator, Andrew Natsios. During an April, 2003 interview with ABC News’ Nightline, Natsios predicted that the reconstruction of Iraq would cost American taxpayers no more than $1.7 billion. AID subsequently posted a transcript of the interview on their website. History, however, has proven that Natsios was either intentionally misleading the nation, or he was rather clueless about Iraq . Either interpretation would be embarrassing to Natsios and the Bush administration. Hence, it should come as no surprise that transcripts of the interview, and all references to it, have recently disappeared from AID’s website.

Cleansing Time Magazine

As paper libraries and archives give way to electronic data collections, history is becoming ever more frail. A composition instructor at the University of California at Irvine got a disturbing email from a friend who was searching Time magazine’s digital archives looking for a certain article written by George Bush Senior and his Defense Secretary, Brent Scowcroft. In that article, the two men purportedly explained why they decided not to occupy Iraq in 1991. Their reason was that such an action would have exceeded the UN’s mandate to remove Iraq from Kuwait , and would have destroyed the precedent of an international response to aggression. They went on to argue, in the March 2, 1998 article, had they chosen to occupy Iraq in 1991, the US would probably still be occupying a bitterly hostile land.

The article, in today’s light, seems like a clear rebuff to junior’s invasion. But the article is gone. It’s no longer in Time’s digital archives – as if it never existed. The Irvine instructor decided to charge her students with the task of verifying the existence or nonexistence of the article. As it turned out, the article was in fact real, and was still archived by a number of subscription-accessed library research databases – but it was no longer in the Time archives. Interestingly, none of her digital-age students thought to look for the paper copy of the magazine in the library. The instructor did, finding not only the missing article, but also finding that editors changed the titles on many of the articles remaining in the Time archives.

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Speck Tater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-04 11:49 AM
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6. It seems pretty clear that digital data is too easy to forge or delete
Paper editions of newspapers and magazineswould be very inconvenient to forge, and if enough copies are in existence, virtually impossible to delete.

If I copy a web page and archive it it can still be claimed that my copy is a fraudulent forgery and that the original web page never existed.

This seems to be a major weekness in the whole digital information revolution. Some way needs to be devised to make digital data fraud-proof. Sound pretty impossible to me.
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mrfrapp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-04 12:08 PM
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8. Digital Signatures
An authority can sign a piece of digital information pretty easily. It's an application of public key cryptography; instead of encrypting with the recipient's public key, the authority makes a mathematical hash of the message and encrypts that hash with its private key. Checking the legitimacy of the message is then a simple matter of decrypting the encrypted hash with the authority's public key and comparing this decrypted hash with a hash of the message that you have made yourself.


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Speck Tater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-04 12:11 PM
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9. One small problem...
It would have to be voluntary, and who would voluntarily apply a digital signature to something they knew they might want to change or delete at a later date?

If digital signatures on "official" web pages were mandatory then it would be useful.
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