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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 07:32 AM
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Anyone here affected by Reagan's Soc. Security cuts in 1982? I was!!!!
This week has brought back a painful reminder of how Reagan's cuts to social programs like Social Security affected thousands of College Age kids back in 1982. And this had not only a major impact on my family, but other families in the area that I knew.

See, our family was receiving Social Security back in the Early 80s. My father passed away in 1981 and our family was receiving Soc. Security checks for my brother and myself. This was one ofthe entitlements to children who lose a parent which was the extra income from those checks (one for each child) to help a stay-at-home mother take care of her children. Back in 1981 (when my father passed away) my brother and I would receive these checks until we were 18, but if we went to college then we would continue to get the checks until we were 21.

Since my brother was over 18, his checks went directly to him while he was in Ohio at college. Those checks helped pay for his education (at an expensive top rated college in Cleveland). I was 4 years younger than my brother so my checks were sent to my mother and helped pay for day-to-day expenses. Gratefully my father had life insurance & some savings so we were able to make it without his salary (he was a Surveyor for the PA Game Commission).

HOWEVER.....

That magical year of 1982 came along and Reagan made cuts to Social Security that those checks for kids like me would be cut off at 18. So even if I continued on to college, I would not receive any Soc. Security money like my brother did. I would have to find other ways to pay for my college.

In 1982 I knew of almost a dozen kids who were seniors in High School that ended up dropping out of HS and enrolling into the local Community College. One of those people was one of my first boyfriends (he actually went to a different school). He too lost a mother and fortunately was able to continue his checks until he was 21 by dropping out of high school his last semester and enrolling full time at the local community college. When he should have been enjoying his last months as a kid, he was toiling away at classes over at the Community College so he could hold on to that extra money for college. For his family, he needed those checks if he were to get through college.

There wasn't much choice for me. I was in 10th grade and although we briefly looked into enrolling me in local college classes it really turned out to be a dead end. Although intellectually I was ready for college level classes, emotionally & mentally I would not have been able to handle it. I would have to find another way to pay for my college education.

Folks around here think Bush Jr. is worse than Reagan, but I strongly disagree. Ronald Reagan ruined the lives of millions of people. Reagan ended the cold war by sacrificing the welfare of Americans in order to outspend Soviet-bloc countries. And if Reagan was never presidnet, Bush Jr. would probably be bankerupting his 4th or 5th company by now.

Luckily I found a source of income for college through loans and my grandparents. But I know kids who never got the education they wanted because of those cuts in Social Security checks.

Good Riddance Reagan: I am not one to speak ill of the Dead, but you I will make the exception!!
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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 07:38 AM
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1. me
i applied for ss disability cause i had fallen on hard times in 80 or so. i had polio at age two, and i am in a wheelchair.

they told me i was not disabled ENOUGH. they asked me if i could do the dishes. i said yes. they said, you ain't disabled. i disagreed. i hired an ss lawyer, they work for free. i had to take a physical and disrobe and see two doctors who both said i was profoundly disabled. but i was refused 3 times.

then, when clinton took office, THEY CONTACTED ME and said i was elibible for benifits. so, for the first time, i got a break with a few lousy bucks a month to help out my meager income, a wife, and three kids.

then, as soon as bush 'took' office, i was sent a letter saying that I OWED THEM 4,000 bucks. i'm still trying to pay it off.

i get nothing now, cause my wife, 'makes too much money' on her TWO jobs.

meanwhile, i'm more disabled than ever. this all started under reagan, who convinced asshole republicans that the poor and the infirm are a drag on the rest of us.

fuck reagan/bush/bush
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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 07:45 AM
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3. raygun ideas
not disabled, lazy

homeless, want to be, lazy

think he ever worked for minimum wage? HA!


So sorry this happened to both of you.

* is a dick.
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Yupster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 08:43 AM
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18. When I was a lifeguard
I worked for minimum wage. He probably did too if they even had a minimum wage back then.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 07:48 AM
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5. BUSH MADE YOU PAY IT ALL BACK
Damn that fucker!!!!!

Damn
Damn
Damn
DAMN!!!
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 08:04 AM
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8. mopaul
you're an amazing guy
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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 08:12 AM
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10. every person is amazing
when you hear their story. many of us are just unsung heroes, battling heroically just to live, while our 'leaders' live like monarchs. it's the most unbalanced situation imaginable.

if a person gets sick in america for over two weeks, they are ruined.
people are afraid to go to the doctor for fear of how much it costs.

it's a bizarre system.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 08:26 AM
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14. yup
people work jobs they hate because of the benefits; it is a tough way to live.
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dxbiker Donating Member (22 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 07:40 AM
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2. my son is
kind of pisses me off a bit.

I remember when he did it and as much as I felt for his family and him during his funeral. I kept thinking you bastard my son could go to college if you didn't make this change. Now he will have to join the service
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 07:47 AM
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4. Welcome to DU and big hugs {{{{{}}}}
I think that's why they made the cuts like they did. Figured if they didn't pay for kids after age 18, then more of them would not be able to go to college and they'd have more bodies for the military.

Thanks to my grandparents, I didn't have to make that choice, but I knew other kids who did go military because it was the only way they could find the money to pay for college.

Welcome to DU :hug:
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Mr_Scarecrow Donating Member (228 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 07:58 AM
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6. The Nixon master plan
Not to be tinfoil hat, but wasn't there some sort of plan by Nixon or one of his cohorts to bankrupt the middle class, make them into the new poor so that they would have to work 70 hour weeks making very little money and that way the left would be destroyed or co-opted into the New Right?

I'm with Lynne Sin - Bush is a minor-leaguer compared to the evils of Reagan. When people say he "made Americans proud" again, they mean he made the bullies believe that might makes right again. I believe it was in the '80's that the term "the dumbing down of America" first appeared.
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dxbiker Donating Member (22 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 08:06 AM
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9. correct
the 80s were the start of the decline of the middle class.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 07:59 AM
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7. Not 82 - but 83 increase in retiretment age affects those not yet
retired

The Social Security Amendments of 1980 were misused by Reagan - they were simple requirements to confirm continuing disabilty eligibility- but he made them into total review of benefits and a stop benefits until review completed program.

in 1984, The Dems in Congress passed the Disability Benefits Reform Act modifying several aspects of the disability program, including how disability reviews are conducted.

Reagan's Greenspan Commission was the cover RR used to pass a law that was signed in 1983 that increase the payroll taxes so as to fund the tax cuts for the rich (The lie that was sold was that this was "funding" - was called stengthening the system by increasing the reserves in the Social Security Trust Funds - meaning those bonds that were given to SS as RR used the money to cover current defense spending no longer covered by the Fed Inc Tax after his tax cuts for the rich). It also changed the taxation of the benefits that were actually being paid.

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Kanary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 08:14 AM
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11. That "review" of which you speak was a tool
for making people "ineligible", and cutting them off.

There were THOUSANDS and THOUSANDS of suicides of people who were cut off who had NO WAY to survive, and killed themselves.

That evil man has sooo much blood on his hands!

Kanary
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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 08:15 AM
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12. the disdain for the poor still exists
the republicans hate the poor. why?
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teryang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 08:20 AM
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13. Because they vote
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Kanary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 09:15 AM
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21. Still exists...... it's multiplied many fold
And there's no other word for it but "hate". They want us all dead, and nothing else will satisfy them.

But, I'll go you one further...... *WHY* have the Dems abandoned poverty issues? Not one DEM candidate really spoke to these issues. They are letting the Section 8 housing cuts go through without a whimper. What is up with that????

Kanary
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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 09:19 AM
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22. the poor & disabled are known to suffer in silence
but they should scream more. they have been made to feel ashamed of themselves for falling on hard times. freepers always accuse liberals of living off the govt. teat and being lazy and whining about welfare and medicaire, when THEY don't ever have to worry about such things.

some of us are lucky to be financially well off, some of us ain't so lucky.

jesus, if you follow that sort of thing, said that we should help the poor and infirm. not shun them or shame them.
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Kanary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 09:30 AM
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24. *I* don't suffer in silence.....many would tell you that ^_^
I know you didn't mean that as an indictment against poor and disabled people, but I feel like it's necessary to clarify that.
It's dangerous to do here at DU, with all the personal attacks, but I will use myself as an example. I have spoken up a LOT, and have been quite critical, not only of the Republican policies, but the DEMs who whimpishly go along with it. I get very little to no support, and received quite a bit of criticism. A person who is alone in all that can only do that for so long. After a while, it's too overwhelming to deal with all that, as well as the garbage from the system and the outside world. DEMs eat their own, and poor folk are at the top of the menu.

I'm sure that everytime I got attacked (or ignored), other people in similar shoes took a lesson from it, and decided to remain silent. It's a pernicious situation.

Most threads about poverty issues drop like stones. There simply isn't the interest. Poverty issues *used* to be a priority with the Party. No more.

Given all this, it's no wonder that, to so many, poor and disabled people seem to "suffer in silence". There's only so much any given individual can do.

Kanary
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bluedog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 08:27 AM
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15. do I ever!!
1982 was a terrible time for me.we lost our Ford motor sub division jobs in NY and there was no work to be found.our unemployment checks were $125 a week...I tried to get food stamps for the family.3 kids.but we owned a home and was denied.....

We had to sell our house and freaking move to FL where his family had moved yrs before..Fl had a few low wage jobs.I started working here.for a small plant for $3.35 an hour.....

I always blame Reagan for me being forced to move to Fl.I did then and I still do.......I left home state.family and friends because he totally broke us.....
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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 08:29 AM
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16. all hail the great communicator!....may he continue to be dead..n/t
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Jim__ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 08:30 AM
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17. It's sad that they get away with this shit
Most people aren't immediately, directly effected by the shit reagan, bush and their ilk pull; and so don't understand the real impact of what they do. These stories need to be publicized. People need to see how these policies effect the worst off in our society in order to give more to people who can't even find a use for the extra dollars.

At one time, the media could be counted on to report on this. But, reagan also eliminated the (I think it was called) Fairness Doctrine; and they keep eliminating the rules that mandate diverse media ownership. So, the media comes more and more under their control, and the people become less and less informed. And they take more and more from the poor and give it to the rich.
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Rick in Maryland Donating Member (90 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 08:54 AM
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19. I remember that too. A bunch of kids were taking their GED quickly so
they could drop out of high school and start at the junior college (i.e.- the 13th and 14th grade). I remember feeling bad for them. It had to make them feel like second class citizens.
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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 09:13 AM
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20. kick
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noonwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 09:26 AM
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23. He probably cut out your Pell Grant, too
Pell Grants prior to the Reagan years, were what got low income and middle-to-low income people through school, without having to take out student loans. Now they are exclusively for low-income people. In 1978, you qualified if your parents made less than $30,000 a year in 1978 dollars.
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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 09:31 AM
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25. I went to art school under the vocational rehabilitation program
Edited on Mon Jun-14-04 09:31 AM by mopaul
i qualified because I WAS DISABLED. so one government agency saw me as disabled, and one did not. stupid
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 09:48 AM
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26. Yup
SS was paying my way through college; there was a cut off date of August 1981. If your parent died before that date, you'd continue to receive the checks. If not, tough luck.
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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 10:06 AM
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27. the humiliation factor of applying for benefits.
anyone who's ever had to apply for emergency help, like foodstamps, medicaid, etc., knows the humiliation of going from agency to agency, being rejected, standing in long lines, treated like a number, forced to eat shit, and going home mad and embarrassed.

the repubs laugh at that however and see those who 'can't keep up' as losers and parasites.

make no mistake, there are people who abuse the welfare system, there really are welfare queens and kings, i've met them. but 99% of the people who apply for help really need it, and they make all of us look bad.

i am lucky right now, i don't get any govt. benefits, and i am just barely hanging on. only a couple paychecks from the streets as it were. i owe no credit to anyone, i get no welfare or food stamps or unemployment benefits of any kind. although i could certainly use it, it's such a pain in the ass to go out and apply for all that shit in person. in a wheelchair no less.

the poor are basically just shit out of luck and on theri own.
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bluedog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 10:21 AM
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28. kick this up
:kick:
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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 10:47 AM
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29. kick for the invisible
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