Anyone else sensing Bush is heading for the biggest landslide defeat ever?

[ElementaryPenguin]

The awful war started and continued for nothing, the amazing torture authorization, the Enron tapes, Halliburton shit, the Plame outing, the CIA vs. Pentagoons, the economy still in the crapper - including a huge job loss, turning the biggest surplus in history into the biggest deficit in history, perhaps the most important - the worth of mouth Bush bashing - (I swear, there may be a Bush supporter somewhere in my office at work - but I can't find even one who'll defend the guy at this point) - Chimpy and the Chimp master Rove can run - but they can't hide!

Bushler has absolutely NO CHANCE! ANYONE could beat him now - let alone a guy with war hero credentials, and a respectable 20 year tenure as a U.S. Senator!

Can't you just feel in your gut now? Bush is the guy people now love to hate. Simple as that. Check out this mainstream message board accompanying the story about the 26 bipartisan former diplomats and military personel who have jointly declared that BUSH MUST GO! Two years ago, these boards were dominated by Bush supporters - many of whom were independent, and even some were democrats. Check it out now. Nearly everyone (with the exception of a handful of lurking psychotic freepers) is engaging in serious Bush bashing!!

This thing's like a huge mudslide that no capturing of Osama - and no additional attack on America's gonna turnaround (an attack may just land the top BFEE officials in prison!). This isn't going to happen like the Titanic - which went down out of the sight of the rest world - BushCo is going down in flames and in full view - along the lines of the Hindenburg.

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040614/ap_on_el_pr/diplomats_letter_4


:beer:

[DenverDem]

1. Don't get overconfident and complacent.

We could win in a landslide but it will take working hard every day from here to November.

[ElementaryPenguin]

6. I'm neither. I just feel like the Bushtapo is on an amazing roll...

DOWNHILL - and worse than anyone - ever!

[July]

41. I'm with you. And even if we're wrong, it's useful to say it.

I think he's jumped the shark and people everywhere are fed up. That means a landslide to me.

Sometimes a little voice in my head says, "Maybe you're wrong." But I still tell everyone that Bush is in deep trouble. Trying to keep the concept out there so all the bandwagon types bail on Bush, and to make a theft-of-a-"close"-election scenario seem improbable.

In other words, I'm trying to psych out the ignorant people.

But I'm actually fairly hopeful.

[ElementaryPenguin]

55. I hear you. "Muricans like to be on the side that's winning!

And right now - that ain't Bush - not by a long shot!

[fertilizeonarbusto]

2. I'm getting that feeling too

And the muslinging they are bound to indulge in will not help. Too many examples of their viciousness (towards Valerie Plame, Richard Clarke, et al) are in the public record for * to be given a free pass for negative campaigning.
We have to stay focused, keep hitting them and never give in!!!!!!!!!

[tekriter]

8. Absolutely right...

like an old baseball coach told us over and over - NEVER play like you have the lead.

[Burma Jones]

3. Not at all

There are too many folks that wouldn't vote for John Kerry if their lives depended on it.

[Kanary]

4. Does the term "BBV" ring any bells for you?

Just suggesting that you look into that, and lend some support.

Our "landslide" may depend on it.......

Kanary

[notadmblnd]

20. it just has to be a landslide

because the closer it is the easier it will be for them to rig it.

[Kanary]

34. So, close Senate and House races don't worry you?

[notadmblnd]

45. Yes, they worry me.

the closer any race is the easier it will be for them to fix.

[Kanary]

51. That's why it's important to give support to the BBV effort

[ClassWarrior]

5. NO, I AM NOT!!

It's going to be a long, hard slog, and we can't give up no matter what kind of nasty, criminal shyte the flying RW monkeys throw at us.

NO PRISONERS!!!!!!... (doing my best John Belushi...)

[On the Road]

7. The Tide is Going Against Bush

but he has a committed core of support. The core states in the South still look pretty solid for Bush. Remember, the political tide was going against Nixon in 1972.

I do think that Democrats will be energized and Republicans discouraged on election day, and that may reverse the history of higher turnout for the GOP. I've been thinking for awhile that Kerry will win the popular vote by 5-10% and the electoral vote by 50-100 votes. Still believe that's a reasonable range.

[fdr_hst_fan]

16. Seems to me,

they ALL ought to be committed!

[Beetwasher]

9. Kerry Will NEED A Landslide

In order to win what will seem to be a close election according to the media, Kerry will need an actual landslide victory...

[ElementaryPenguin]

10. Agreed.

It's also our only chance!

[sable302]

11. I now think the Dems will win

(knock on wood)

Though, as much as I hated the idea, if McCain had joined up for VP, it could have been a 51 state loser for Bush I reckon. Even my never ever voted for a Democrat in his life Republican step father had to admit he would've supported a Kerry-McCain ticket, and he's a Texan.

[ElementaryPenguin]

14. Nothing's more slanderous now than calling someone a Bush supporter!

People are REALLY repulsed now by the Mad War Chimp (finally)!!

[sable302]

24. now if only

we could revive the word 'liberal', clean it up from the trashing it's taken the last 50 years, we'll be getting somewhere. Though it's cynical, I truly look forward to the day when calling someone a conservative is a bad thing, and candidates run for office on their 'liberal family values'.

[ElementaryPenguin]

48. "Liberal family values" - I love it!

:toast:

[Jim__]

12. I hope you're right

But, to a certain extent, bushco can control events; and they definitely seem to be able to control the media. An October surprise coupled with media hype could pull it out for him.

The biggest thing working against bush is information. The more info people have, the less chance bush has.

[fdr_hst_fan]

21. October surprise-

notice how there's almost NO mention of bin Laden any more by Dubya? That's because they KNOW where he is, or already have him, and are waiting fot the last week in October to spring him on us. And the gullible American people will FALL FOR IT, like always! Hitler said something to the effect, "I'll give a plausible excuse for starting the war; after we've won, who is going to question the victor on the righteousness of his cause?" I have the exact quote somewhere, just haven't found it yet!

[Lancer]

40. Bushco is not in control

of much of anything in their own house anymore. Defections day by day from loyal Repugs are a testament to a very visible part of *'s base falling away.

And there's still so much that can come to light in the next 4 months that has the potential. . . potential. . . to lead to a well-deserved defeat. One that should be followed by immediate jail sentences for *, Cheney et.al.

Thank God, though, this WH has yet to find a way to crucify Kerry the way Nixon's people eviscerated McGovern in '72. I don't think they can.

[July]

42. On the other hand, they're not doing such a good job of controlling things

and people don't take what they say on faith anymore.

[Submariner]

13. All the Afghanistan reports I'm hearing from U.S. troops

say that Bush has our troops on a full-court-press hunting for Osama, while the marginal effort to go after insurgents is allowing the Taliban to re-flourish and poppy production (to fund terrorism) is allowed to go through the roof.

He is quite obviously hunting Osama ONLY for the poll boost he so desperately needs, while his Generals tell him the insurgents are gaining ground.

This PUNK is pond scum.

[ElementaryPenguin]

17. Even delivering Osama would look contrived and backfire!

As much as finding some WMD!! Look - we've got Saddam is custody - and NOBODY GIVES A SHIT!!

[lanparty]

30. Arch-villian ...

Nope, Bush has made himself out to be a "super-hero" of sorts. A "super-hero" in no use without a super-villian.

I think that Bin Laden is one of Bush's best buddies. And I think he has ZERO intention of capturing the man!!!!

[KittyWampus]

39. Could You Imagine If Junior Fails To Find Osama

but our troops finally manage to zero in on him the second President Kerry is sworn in?

Sort of the reverese of what happened to President Carter...

[tom_paine]

Duplicate

[tom_paine]

15. Depends on how corrupted and "extreme gerrymandered" our "voting"

systems are.

I believe they are VERY corrupted and Extreme Gerrymandered.

We must press on. If Kerry has an ACTUAL 10% lead among voters, then in reality, it's a tie...

[lectrobyte]

18. no, not at all.

all of my conservative relatives think he's doing a great job and is a "God Fearing" man. Here at my workplace, I can't go through a day without overhearing something about "tax and spend" democrats, or some crack about Clinton, or "Thank Gawd we don't have Gore for president now." So, there is a pretty loyal base still out there.

[jus_the_facts]

43. I hear ya....was told after sendin' an ariticle criticle o'bush* to.....

....one of his sheeple..."...I don't believe any journalist these days...if O'Rielly doesn't say it...I DON'T BELIEVE IT!" :puke:

[BeyondGeography]

19. Reagan/Mondale: 525 to 13

THAT was the biggest landslide ever. I remember staying up late just to make sure Fritz eeked out Minnesota (which he did).

This will be a close election. Bush controls the South, much of the Southwest, and all of the Great Plains states. I see many similarities with 2000. Maybe Kerry has a shot in Florida, maybe he doesn't. He definitely looks better in Ohio than did Gore, but Pennsylvania could be tougher.

Still think Kerry'll win by a margin that surprises the media, but talk of a landslide is way too premature.

[denverbill]

22. No. I'm not sensing that even remotely.

Every poll I've seen with Kerry leading by 6-8 points doesn't mean a damned thing if Kerry doesn't win electoral votes, and every state by state analysis I've seen indicates Bush is still leading in the electoral count. Kerry needs to take every state Gore won in 2000, plus one more big one like Ohio or Florida.

I have yet to see one single state that was pro-Gore in 2000 which is solidly pro-Kerry in 2004.

[ElementaryPenguin]

56. Kerry is leading electoral counts I've seen.

Bush lost last time - he can't possibly win his horrendously awful record - in EVERY department!!

[BillZBubb]

23. No chance of a landslide win. That's a pipe dream.

Since the Fundies will stick with Bush* all the way no matter what, he's pretty much guaranteed to carry the South, the Plains, and the Rocky mountain states.

Kerry can eke out a win, but it won't be easy. Ohio remains the key state.

[ElementaryPenguin]

50. I think a Bush win is a Repuke pipe dream. Ain't gonna happen.

This guy lost last time - with basically no track record (that anyone could examine) - and now he's got more baggage than any American in history!

[Worst Username Ever]

25. Not sure

You may be in a different atmosphere than I... I work at a VERY conservative bank/investments firm in MN, and everyone around me is pro-bush. Most of my friends also work in various investment/finance/accounting professions and are likewise republican. I also am dating a woman from a repug family, so everywhere I go I am surrounded and outnumbered (which is why I am so happy to have found this site, it seemed like all hope was lost and everyone around me had lost their minds... or I had) From my perspective, it seems like a tight race.

[Yupster]

26. No, but

I do have a sense that the election is already over though. The country may have already made up its mind that they fdon't want Bush back.

I would look more to a 1992 electoral college win. A solid win, but far from a historic landslide.

[PurityOfEssence]

27. Absolutely not

That doesn't mean it might happen, but I get no sense of it whatsoever. The economy can be painted as improving, and Iraq may very possibly be able to be hushed up and shown in a good light. The conversations I'm having with people leads me to believe that PEOPLE HAVE NO REAL PROBLEM WITH TORTURE. This is dismaying in the extreme, but certainly takes the wind out of my sails. People don't seem to give a damn about the lies that got us into the war, and they don't seem to think the Plame betrayal is much of anything at all.

We have become an even more selfish people than I'd imagined, and the media chirps along loyally. Kerry, never an incredibly vivacious character, is not really resonating.

I see very strong signs of us losing, even with all of the evil and incompetence of these skunks. Still, it's too early to tell.

Having said all that, it certainly doesn't look like a landslide.

[Malva Zebrina]

32. I cannot believe that anybody would vote for Bush

knowing he, and his minions, lied to invade Iraq and murdered ten thousand innocent people. And these people call themselves Christians. I can't believe that the Democrats are so weak either. I cannot believe the whole thing. It is unreal to me.

[Jacobin]

37. Hey. They'r having a holy war

What could be more Christian than that?

[ElementaryPenguin]

49. Don't believe it . The polls are bullshit.

If the corporate polls are owning up to Kerry having an 8 point - you can bet it's twice that!

[sampsonblk]

28. If we had a more compelling candidate, this would be an easy one

A fired up candidate would have sewn this one up a long time ago.

[ElementaryPenguin]

60. If you think our candidate is less than compelling...

How would you feel on the other side - saddled with their candidate...a mindless, inarticulate, uninformed, unprincipled, war-mongering, war profiteering, murderer, torturer, Clooseau-like nincompoop scoundrel!!!

:evilgrin:

[sampsonblk]

65. Yep, no question

The other guy is pretty weak. But our guy is not exactly a barn-burner either. If he were, I think this would be an easy election.

[Larkspur]

29. Diebold may prevent a landslide...

and give victory to Bush. The CEO said that he'd deliver Ohio to Bush.

[Kickin_Donkey]

31. As much as I'd like to see * run out of town on a rail ...

I don't have that feeling, yet.

All bets are still off due to electronic voting fraud, a pro-Repug media, and a regime that will do ANYTHING to win, including kill (see LIHOP, Iraq war).

I think we'll get a better sense of it after the Democratic convention.

[calimary]

33. I'm certainly getting that feeling. And yes, I check those Yahoo message

boards for stories like this, just to see what others are thinking outside of an obviously partisan site like DU. It's MOST revealing to see how others see things. I am noticing the same change you have - two years ago, everybody was rah-rah bush. Now, it runs eight, or nine, or ten, or even 12 to 15 against bush - to every one in favor (or maybe not so much in favor of bush as just really hostile toward liberals and Democrats, and Clinton).

That L.A. Times story was the big topic of conversation in and around a friend's house where I spent most of my Sunday working on an art project. Even the neighbor over the back fence was utterly gleeful about it.

I am HOPING that the momentum is such that not even finding Osama or declaring martial law or whatever tricks they have left in their back pockets will work. Yes, people are fickle. Yes things can turn on a dime. But if you've fouled the soil enough, you won't be able to grow much, no matter what kind of seeds you throw in, or what kind of high-priced fertilizer you scatter over it.

My husband and I were talking about this. bush has apparently now turned much, maybe most, of the officer corps against him - judging from what some of the generals are saying (like Anthony Zinni). The entire 101st Airborne is said to be ready to vote for Kerry. I doubt the "handover" at the end of the month is going to go smoothly. NOBODY wants him to succeed. And the people fighting to get THEIR country back - in Iraq - certainly don't appreciate him, either, and won't make things easy. NATO isn't making things easy. The G-8 folks aren't. TOO MUCH bad karma. He's sown too many bad seeds. Now those bad seeds are what has taken root most effectively. They'll be in full flower by November.

EVEN SO, NOW IS NOT THE TIME TO GET COMPLACENT!!!!

We should be urging Contempt of Congress against ashcroft. We should be urging indictments and impeachment against bush AND cheney for BOTH the Plame Game AND Torture-gate, if not more. We should be on their case 24/7.

Don't let up now. We have to keep fighting until we've driven a silver stake in the heart of this awful, ANTI-AMERICAN neocon movement, and the megalomania of the bushes in general.

[ElementaryPenguin]

54. Great post! "Foul soil" indeed!

The Bushtapo's campaign is dead in the water. Having said that, I am not suggesting that we shouldn't all work our assed off, because we'll still have to make it a reality - and we will!

[Zero Gravitas]

35. I hope so

There are so many ex-Bush supporters out there that a landslide looks like a distinct possibility. But I agree with those that urge caution: we are fighting fascists who truly do hate the core American values of equality, rule of law & human dignity and who will do just about anything to hold on to power, plus its a very long time until the election. We must fight as if we are 3% down in the polls right until the last moment.

[Jacobin]

36. You must live in a blue state

Go out amongst the red state voters and come back and edit your post.

Many voters do not know/understand issues because all they hear is propaganda from tv 24/7.

Many voters are not informed.

Many voters vote based on "feelings" or "religion" or stupidity.

You are having premature exultations.

[ElementaryPenguin]

52. Many voters are informed. Many voters HATE Bush!

Many voters no this country is going down the toilet under BushCo. Many voters think Bush is too stupid to be president. Many voters don't trust Bush. Many voters think the war in Iraq is a disaster. Many voters think torture is horribly wrong. Many voters Bush is always shifting blame. I live in a blue state, but I have family and many close friens in two red states and I'm hearing the same things from them!

[Triana]

38. Yes BUT

...DO NOT allow that to make us complacent. The Repugs have their voter cleansing lists lined up, Diebold and ES & S all ready with their black box voting machines that don't leave a paper trail and don't do recounts, Jebby has already put 43,000+ voters on his 'felons' list when the ones from 2000 'felon' lists were were not and are not felons STILL can't vote, Repukes have gerrymandered districts all over this friggin country to dilute the Dem/Progressive vote...

DO NOT DO NOT allow the bad news hitting Duhbya like a freight train (and rightfully so, I might add) let you get lazy, or complacent! Fight for a fair vote and to have the damn thing counted and RECORDED where it can be audited - keep spreading the news to friends who are on the fence to get out the vote, keep your eyes peeled at all times for bu$hit and cheating - 'cause you KNOW that little (W)easel cheated to get his job the first time and it worked SO WELL, he's gonna try it again - and brother Jebby is gonna help him.

DON'T forget what they did to McCain and Gore with the media either - FIGHT IT!

(climbs down off soapbox and puts megaphone down...)

[Kazak]

44. I'm gonna sound like a broken record...

'Still gotta turn out the vote.

[Skittles]

46. no

those bastards are up to something. I think they'll stop at nothing to keep that moron in office, and we ain't seen NOTHING yet.

[killbotfactory]

47. He would be if we had honest reporters

He's doing far better than he should.

[bandy]

53. the late CIA report...

I have a feeling this will be much bigger then we can imagine. I think this report will be very damaging to * & Co. Why else would they be delaying it? It could be the icing on the cake.

[Disturbed]

57. Six months in politics !

A whole lot can change in six months.

If documents keep leaking out Congress won't have much of a choice. They will actually have to do their freakin' job of their sworn oath!

J.Kerry campaign hasn't really started. I feel that
he may surprise the Dems that are luke warm with him thus far.

[drdigi420]

58. Just came back from Panama City Beach - have to disagree

the rednecks are solid in the pocket of bush

i think its some kind of john wayne war envy syndrome

[ElementaryPenguin]

59. Panama City IS solid redneck - and hardly representative of

The nation at large - or even Florida. Here's a Florida Repuke who sees the Bushler demise writing on the wall.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1441&ncid=1440&e=7&u=/040614/234/76shz.html

[hippiegranny]

61. the weed lover in my office

removed his bush/cheney/04 sticker off his truck over the weekend. could it be he got the memo that you look like an idiot with one of those on your ride?

[aquart]

62. Shush! You'll jinx it.

[Solar]

63. the problem...

...is not Bush losing, but Kerry winning. So far, most all of the opposition against Bush is by people unattached to Kerry. While in reality, truth is on our side; its frighteningly easy for the NeoCons to sweep it all aside as radicalism. The biggest problem facing the liberals today is not our opposition, its ourselves. We need to unite, as much as I love groups like MoveOn and Al Gore's fiery speeches, it makes us look like screaming children. How we say things are just as important as what we say.

Its easy for us here at DU to shout "anybody but Bush", but thats not how most of America views it. I think we need to focus less of our energy on attacks against Bush, as strange as that idea seems. Let the facts speak for themselves. Instead we need to show that Kerry will do a better job than Bush. This is a very tough thing to do, simply because the NeoCons have already started. Kerry needs to stand up and make definitive statements.

-no more lofty statements that mean nothing
-no more monotone speeches that put people to sleep
-connecting with mainstream, working- and middle-class America (Kerry is viewed as a rich guy out of touch with regular people
but most importantly:
-real plans to solve our problems: Iraq, the economy, health care
-clear challenges to Bush, mainly the scandals of Bush's NeoCons and the WMDs in Iraq
-fight the image of Kerry flip-flopping on issues.

The NeoCons are already attacking us and its time we start our own offensive. We all know that Bush is hurting our country, but we're not the only ones voting in November. As much as we are against him, Bush is not going down without a fight. We MUST bring that fight to his doorstep and convince not just ourselves but all of America. I'd love for Bush to lose in a landslide, but we must be realistic here. We cannot underestimate our opponent. I fear some of us are becoming deluded with fantasy here. Regardless of what polls say, the election is still nearly 5 months away and a lot can happen between now and then. Bush is a real threat and Kerry MUST do more to stop him.

[Octafish]

64. There's four-and-a-half months to go...

So, let's make every minute count as we work to make the BFEE rue the day they worshipped that damn owl at the Cremation of Care ceremony at the rustic Bohemian Grove camp-out. In addition to making the time pass faster, cracking open as many cockroach gangster thug reputations to the light of day will help us gather more members of the Bush Organized Crime Family for Leavenworth. From there, the traitors can go to Gitmo or Terre Haute, whatever the court decides.



Bohemian Grove

The Most Faggy (---)damned Thing You Could Ever Imagine

Bohemian Grove is "the greatest men's party on Earth", according to once-regular attendee Herbert Hoover. A secret little getaway for America's male upper crust, the 2-week long annual retreat in Monte Rio, California, has all the luxuries you'd expect of an elitist clique: outdoor plays, an orchestra, delicious food and beverages, public urination, streaking, and human sacrifices, to name a few. Nestled in beautiful redwood forests, every Republican president since Coolidge has partaken in the gala, as well as a host of other huge names in business and politics.

Little is known about its origins. The Bohemian Club was founded, according to its PR people, in 1872 by "five newspapermen, a Shakespearean actor, a vintner and a local merchant" from San Francisco. The male bonding funfest at the Grove itself began in 1879, near the Russian River. It wasn't long before this yearly custom became an annual tradition which has continued for over 120 years. Members enjoy opera, literature, and music. That's all. Nothing else to see here, no photos please, leave the premises now, THANK YOU.

Now here's the real dirt. (cue creepy Theramin music)

Weaving spiders come not here

The gathering includes semi-Masonic themes that center around a 40-foot tall stone owl, whose voice is provided by regular attendee Walter Cronkite ("And that's the way it is, hoot hoot."). Mock-Druidic rituals are performed, and the attendees (referred to as "Bohos" or "Grovers") wear Ku Klux Klan-style garb. Public policy speeches are given, conveniently away from the public that will eventually have to suffer under these policies. Called "Lakeside Talks", the topics of discussion range from "Communists, Democracy and Golf"; "America's Health Revolution: Who Lives, Who Dies, Who Pays"; "America's Promise: Leading Armies and Leading Kids"; "Defining the New World Order"; and other such jolly cocktail chatter. It is boasted that the Manhattan Project first took shape at a Grove meeting. Security is allegedly as tight as (............); journalists are now forbidden from showing up and filming the shindig. Reporters from CBS, People and Spy magazine have all tried to get a glimpse of the event, with limited success.

CONTINUED...

http://www.rotten.com/library/conspiracy/bohemian-grove/

[struggle4progress]

66. I'll believe in the landslide when I start hearing complete strangers ...

in check-out lines (and other such places) discussing how disgusted they are with Boy George.

[Gloria]

67. No. People don't follow things like we do, so they don't know half

of what these creeps have done.

It's going to come down to a few issues or PR stunts that Bushco pulls out its hat.

A lot depends on what happens if and when Kerry decides to take off the gloves. As Tony Coehlo has commented, sometimes it's hard to really take it to the other guy after you've been hanging back for so long.

Frankly, I'm wondering how the country will react to Kerry as they "get to know him" because it will all be filtered anyway, like they did with Gore.

[Solidarity]

68. Kerry Will Win Easily

Kerry should win easily. And if he begins campaigning against Bush's policies he'll win even bigger.