Kerry starting to piss me off..

[Postman]

http://fairuse.1accesshost.com/news1/smh2.htm

On courting a republican for his VP slot:
Why? Why lean to the right in selecting your VP? Why not lean left? This just shows me Kerry is supportive of the illegal war and occupation of Iraq.

On reviving conscription:
IMHO selecting a republican for VP will make it easier to re-instate the draft because that way both parties take equal responsibility for the sure-to-be unpopular act.

As far as the war in Iraq is concerned, Kerry's position and Bush's position seem to be merging. If that is the case, I will seriously consider NOT VOTING for Kerry.

[MercutioATC]

1. I hate to say I told you so (not YOU specifically), but

I TOLD you so!

[Media_Lies_Daily]

43. And what exactly have you told us?...

Did you tell us that Kerry REALLY likes to yank Rove's chain, and that Kerry mentioning McCain as a potential VP candidater gives Rove whiplash?

Did you know that McCain really dislikes Rove, ever since the South Carolina whispering campaign about his adopted daughter? I bet McCain gets more grins out of this than Kerry.

Oh, by the way, Kerry is not about to select a GOP running mate...and McCain is not about to run on a Democratic ticket. Maybe you missed that information when it was discussed in the media?

[MercutioATC]

76. Was this really meant as a reply to me?

If so, please clarify where I made any of those statements.

[jpgray]

2. He wouldn't be a candidate for president if he didn't piss you off some

Pretty far stretch you make there, though. From what I've heard, he only asked McCain to be considered, not chosen. Considering dating someone and dating someone are two different things--let me know when he chooses McCain and is turned down--so far considering McCain gives that appearance of bipartisanship, a semimystical self-denial of real ideological divides that voters and our media are currently infatuated with. How this informs you on the war I can't guess.

[WilliamPitt]

3. I don't care.

Sorry. Swear to God, I'm sorry. I just don't care.

Sorry.

[Vickers]

4. So, whatcha gonna do come Election Day?

:shrug:

Let's hear it.

[lovedems]

5. Bush is adopting Kerry's position. The only difference is Kerry

can deliver, the chimp can't. He is not respected and not trusted. Kerry can be a fresh face in foreign policy.

As far as the VP, I do agree with you. It would be an insult to democrats if he were to chose McCain. There are plenty of good democrats to choose from. I know Kerry will do what is right.

I sure hope you live in a safe blue state.

[GregW]

6. In that case you better vote Republican

I mean ... it's your only option, right?

[Pastiche423]

10. No

It's not the only option.

[paulk]

28. what's your option?

:eyes:

[Media_Lies_Daily]

45. Well then, you can stay home or hurt Kerry by voting for Nader....

..what's it going to be?

[alcuno]

7. Kerry says he refers to McCain in order to irritate Rove.

Be smart about the whole thing. What better way to counter the "Kerry is a liberal. Kerry is a liberal" mantra than to align him with a Republican. I don't give credence to the reports that he's making overtures to McCain, but he's certainly using him.

Whenever McCain's name comes up, reporters ask him about it and he says fairly good things about Kerry. That's smart of Kerry's campaign. This is a game of chess not dodgeball.

[Rebellious Republican]

8. Here we go again, so here are your choices........

Vote Kerry, Vote Nader, Vote Bush, Don't Vote. How bout we don't get into baiting!

:argh:

[anti_shrub]

9. Not Voting for Kerry = 4 More Years of Bush

People really need to look at the bigger picture and not their single issues.

Giving the Bush Cabal 4 more years of destruction just because Kerry doesn't fit your candidate mold 100% is beyond selfishness. You're basically saying "I don't care that Bush is destroying America, I only vote for Utopian candidates".

[cornermouse]

17. Do you think that the Iraq war is the "littler" picture?

Or a single issue? I don't. On the contrary, it is a major part of our problems.

We did the WRONG thing when we invaded Iraq ("shock and awe"/death and dismemberment for uncounted Iraqis, dead and dismembered Americans, attempted theft of Iraqi oil, opening the door for yet another Islamic government, Americans torturing and murdering prisoners, non-competitive contracts, national bankruptcy trying to pay for all of this, etc.) and the only way we can really correct it, is for us to get out. Now.

[BurtWorm]

83. I think a person can decide in November

if their state is a done deal either way, whether or not to vote for Kerry. It is not the case that not voting for Kerry equals voting for Bush in every instance. Each voter has to make that decision for him or herself given their own circummstances. I live in New York. I could decide not to vote at all this year or to vote for a more proudly progressive candidate than Kerry and I will not by myself change the outcome of the election.

On the other hand, if Kerry continues to piss on progressives, there could be a movement away from him at the last minute. That won't be anyone's fault but Kerry's if he doesn't give progressives a better reason to vote for him than he's not Bush.

[Malva Zebrina]

11. Kerry was for the war

that is a fact

and now we are forced, practically, to vote for him, even though we are totally against, and have always been against that slaughter and that killing and that murder.

Some of us can see beyond the glitzy spin--and I do not mean from the Bush campaign.

We will be forced to vote for him because , although we are not really sure of what he wants to do, he is better than Bush--actually anyone is.

and that is really pathetic.

Kerry is running a "smart" campaign, by not telling us a damn thing but by letting Bush hang himself

Wonderful way to get -people interested in the process, eh?

[AP]

13. No Democrat who was against this war could ever get elected.

Americans already think they're safer with Republicans in office than Democrats. The Republicans would have loved to run against someone about whom they could say, "he wasn't willing to make a close call in favor of protecting your safety."

[Malva Zebrina]

16. that may be true, but that is exactly what is pathetic

and by doing so, we have, essentially, rubber stamped fascism under Bush.

and that is exactly what makes the Democrats weak.

[MercutioATC]

21. I completely agree. I wish Kerry had had the balls to vote against it

...but he didn't.

[AP]

26. I'm glad he has the balls to run a campaign that will beat Bush.

[ibegurpard]

33. By offering the vice-presidential slot to Bush's Arizona re-election chair

just brilliant!

[AP]

35. More good strategy.

Is McCain the VP? Do you know for sure what passed between the two?

For every one of you with a far left liberal litmus test there are probably 20 moderates who are taking a look at Kerry now because of that.

And get a clue. Bush is so far right that he has opened up this middle flank for Kerry to take. If Bush were in fact moderate, Kerry might not bother to fight for the middle. He'd be appealing to you and the base. Bush has allowed Kerry to make this kind of move towards the middle and Kerry should definitely go for it. Why do you want to tie his hands?

[louis c]

62. You're on the money

AP. I am glad to read your thoughts, because they are so coherent. This is an election. I was 20 years old in 1972, and worked for McGovern. I had all that some idealism as those who preach idealogical purity, here. However you win with realism, and only the winners get to govern.

[AP]

65. A young, naive AP would have campaigned for McGovern, Jerry Brown and

Howard Dean.

A smart AP who wants to get the most bang for AP's buck, leave nothing to chance, and beat back the fascists with a victory would have campaigned for Clinton/Gore and will for Kerry/Edwards

[louis c]

66. or Kerry/ Anyone

I hope. This time there's too much at stake

[AP]

67. Oh yeah. Of course.

[emulatorloo]

38. Nobody offered McCain Anything. . .

McCain was not offered VP spot.
McCain will not be the VP.

However, Karl Rove cried everytime he heard that rumor.

[doni_georgia]

63. I've got a truckload of Depends

and a manifest with Karl Rove as the consignee. Something about some guy called McCain. Where do I deliver them?

Mac in Ga

[emulatorloo]

81. LOL - n/t

[doni_georgia]

61. The problem is

that public opinion at the time was in favor of the war. Plus everyone on Capitol Hill had to walk past the still swinging corpse of Cynthia McKinney's political career every time they showed up for work. Finally, while some of us certainly suspected that the administration's links between al Qaeda and Iraq were no smoke and all mirrors, that wasn't as apparent then as it is now.
Kerry would have been in a decided minority if he had voted against the war. If he is wanting to *represent* his constituency vis-a-vis doing whatever he feels like doing, constituency be damned (which is the modus operandi of the administration!), then he has to vote for it even is it smells like last week's catfish. In the end, our government serves at our sufferance, and should not rule by its own fiat. This is the real philosophical difference between Democrats and Republicans - one we would do well to remember should Kerry reach office. He may not do all the things we who support him may desire, but if he does what the American people want - all the American people - then he is doing his job, and no one has a lot of fault to find. The real problem people have with the chimp et al is that they've acted like - to borrow a phrase from PJ O'Rourke - a bunch of monkeys at a salad bar: singleminded, haphazard, and incredibly destructive. (I owe PJ one back, after his mangling of the "parental love analogy" on NPR last week.)
Kerry had little to gain at the time of the war vote besides an appearance of integrity, and a lot of public opinion to lose. In retrospect, we can see how gutsy that stand would have been, but that was not apparent at the time and I think it would have been an unacceptable risk for someone in serious pursuit of the presidency, in that he certainly would have drawn right-wing fire. Since he didn't draw it, he has been relatively free to watch the chimp and his goons implode. The right would have been much more solid against him from the outset, had he taken an antiwar stance at that time, and it's possible that much of what has come to light over the past five months would have passed by the boards. By giving no target to the itchy trigger fingers of the right, Kerry left them with no one to shoot at but each other. And that was brilliant, because they've certainly been obliging in that arena.

Mac in Ga

[AP]

25. Actually, running a loser would rubber stamp fascism, because Bush would

win.

Campaigning as being against this war is a completely different matter from actually being a fascist.

If you think Kerry's running so that he can carry on the fascist project, I think you're crazy.

Kennedy was not a fascist. He ran as a being a bigger anti-communist and a bigger hawk than Nixon. When he got elected, he was EXTREMELY suspicious of Wall St, he wouldn't attack Cuba (against the advice of his entire cabinet) and, apparently, planned to remove the troops from Vietnam.

I think it's perfectly obvious that Kerry has the same strategy.

What's wrong with campaigning for him now, and then, after he's elected, making sure he pursues the most democratic policy possible?

It seems to me that accusing him of rubbertamping Bush's fascism is not only short sighted, but is a great way to ensure that Bush gets reelected.

[Malva Zebrina]

34. and you are spinning

in favor of promoting a candidate that voted to give fascism it's opportunity and I find that sad

There will come a time when the spin will be recognized as bullshit

There will come a time when the Spin that most younger people have become accostumed to because of their continued exposure to TV advertising techniques, will realize what is really meaningful in this life and it is NOT covering up, or spinning.

It is truth. and it is truth that is desired and longed for. It is truth that is needed in order for the citizens to feel trust in their government process.


Spinning for Kerry, who is lacking and is laying back and is NOT offering a thing to us, is not truth.

You may have confidence in that--I do not and I am seriously wondering if I really to want to vote at all, so disgusted am I at the spin from both sides.

[AP]

36. He is runnign for president against a real fascist and is doing what he...

...needs to do to win.

I highly doubt there will come a time before Nov 2004 when this will be recognized as bullshit, or damage trust.

But if Kerry loses, there may come a time very soon when elections will no longer matter because corporations will have total control of American policits and perceptions. I'm glad that Kerry is running a smart campaign.

Would your rather he run a noble but losing campaign and then feel good about yourself like there was some moral victory in losing?

[merh]

27. Don't you get it - we are weak right now

The only way we can regain our strength is to get our candidate elected. Nader ain't going to get elected, so who does that leave KERRY! Personally, if it meant we would get all or a majority of the moderates and/or the undecided votes, I'm all for McCain as VP.

The main goal is Bush out. I can't afford to move to another country and that will be the option if its Bush for 4 more. I don't do well worrying if my government is going to sneaky peek at my house because I visit liberal, free thought sites.

Keep your eye on the goal for November, Bush out, that's it. Then we need to elect our state representative that share our passions and concerns.

[Nlighten1]

60. Total poppy cock.

The Republicans would win with that strategy ONLY if the Democrats show no spine. If they would fight these assholes they would beat them regardless of WHO they put out front.

[emulatorloo]

49. No Lieberman was for the war

and he isn't running anymore.

[doni_georgia]

69. Lieberman didn't run a stink-out-the-joint campaign because

of his support of the war.

The fact is that (1) he has a public image as a loser, which was an unfortunate result of the 2000 election. More to the point, (2) he's as charismatic as a bowl of cold oatmeal.

Running Lieberman against Chimp would have been a reenactment of Mondale vs. Reagan. I tend to think that Reagan won so overwhelmingly in 1984 at least partly because Mondale was such an underwhelming candidate in the public forum.

Mac in Ga

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[Postman]

74. You're dreaming.

A draft wouldn't put a stop to "operation occupy the world"

It would only result in more kids coming home dead.

Is that your plan for putting a stop to imperial foreign policy? Sacrificing enough of "middle-class and rich peoples kids" to force their hand?

Your effing insane.

[Liberal Veteran]

14. Well, no....giving the appearance of being more bipartisan is GOOD

This is not a bad thing.

[Jacobin]

15. Face it. We're screwed

Vote for anyone other than Kerry or don't vote and all you do is you help elect Bush*.

Vote for Kerry and gnash your teeth for the next four years while he "deals with the Iraq situation" in a way that he thinks most Murkins want him to do, which is to try to continue to attempt to conquer, subdue and plunder that country...and "do it right", i.e. more troops, more casualties, more lost treasure, with an inevitable ghastly bloody end to it. The longer we are there, the worse it will get.

Help Bush, and we get four more years of even more crazed madness with an evangelical component, and very likely more M.E. conquests.

Pick your poison.

[Taylor Mason Powell]

20. Okay. I pick Kerry. n/t

n/t

[emulatorloo]

40. DO IT RIGHT means let inspections take their course, get the UN in

work w our allies etc etc all things that would have AVOIDED the war. not 'conquer subdue plunder' as you assert with no factual backing. Please stop twisting JK's words. Thanks in advance

[Jacobin]

84. Does ANYONE in their right mind ACTUALLY believe

that when the IWR vote was taken that Smirky wasn't BOUND AND DETERMINED to invade Iraq?

I haven't met one yet, unless perhaps it is you.

Nice ta meet ya.

:-)

Twisting words my ass.

[emulatorloo]

87. Assing my words your twist!

;-)

No I didn't beleive it, but Colin Powell did not look me in the eye and give me his solemn word that they would do everything possible to disarm w/o invasion, and that IWR was just away to bring more pressure to bear.

(Yes I know, Colin Powell was not to be trusted and had no say, but that is a lot of hindsight idn't it? Serious people in govt had reason to beleive that he would moderate GWB and that his word meant something)

[spanone]

18. Anyfuckingbodybutbush.

[LittleApple81]

54. WBWCDB = Warm Body who Can Defeat Bush. n/t

[wurzel]

19. Does Kerry's VP matter more to you than Bush's VP?

I don't care who Kerry picks as VP. What matters is he get elected. Whether this war is "illegal" or not is also irrelevant. The fact is we are there and are responsible for the future of that country. As for the draft; why are you so against military service for your country? I'd rather see a citizen army than the kind of privatized corruption we see in the Pentagon today.

[Jacobin]

32. Actually, we aren't responsible for the future of Iraq

The country belongs to Iraqis and THEY are responsible for it.

82% want the U.S. gone NOW. I happen to think that we should honor their wishes.

We fucked up big time by knocking off the secular madman who sold us oil, and will soon trade him for an islamic fundamentalist who will gain power by HATING the U.S. for what it has done to Iraq and will likely use oil to punish us. Not to mention be very very friendly to extremists who will attack us.

[emulatorloo]

47. We blew their country up, we do have a responsibility to repair the

stuff we blew up. You want us to destroy their infrastructure and then not fix it? I don't get how that atones for the illegal invasion. . .

[Jacobin]

86. THEY are destroying the country now to get rid of us

I'm assuming that we both read the news.

They want us out NOW. The longer we stay, the more stuff will be blown up and the more people killed.

I'm guessing they don't like the torture, the random killings of civilians, the theft of their resources, and the occupation of their country by infidels.

Maybe we should get a clue.

We ain't fixing anything. We are merely further destroying their country.

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[Hoping4Change]

22. He may have been for the war but not the bungling aftermath.

Had Shenseki's estimate of 200,000 troops on the ground to secure the peace been heeded, Iraq would be looking alot different.

Policies and positions change, the essential requirement for a leader is to have someone with judgement, experience and RATIONALITY. Not some fuck who blasphemes the name of God by having delusions that his depraved notion of god leads his decision-making.

Check out this article, Elect your local hypocrite:

"I know that a lot of you think you are opposed to hypocrisy. You want to cast your vote for a straight arrow, a man who sticks rigidly to his word and never breaks promises, a leader of unwavering conviction. This may sound appealing at election time, but it is always a mistake."

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20040612/DOUG12//?query=doug+saunders

[doni_georgia]

71. The government is supposed to represent the American people

and sometimes for an employee, doing your job may involve something you wouldn't ordinarily choose to do and may not want to do. Anyone who has ever had to clean a restroom, deal with a (insert derogatory adjective of your choice) boss, or simply sell to the public knows this. There's no legal question involved, just a matter of personal taste and choice. Is this hypocrisy? Well, then most people are hypocrites, or the unemployment rate would be a hell of a lot higher than it is now.
Someone who "stays the course" rigidly can be expected to lose the same focus that helped him/her win in the immediacy of the campaign. We all know what a moronic ideologue the Chimp is. By insisting on an inhuman standard of consistency we get what we ask for: inhuman public servants. Give me a guy who can learn from mistakes, because God help us, we're all going to make them. Give me someone who will represent me even if he doesn't like some of the things he has to do - because that's a good servant and a good employee!

Mac in Ga

[Hoping4Change]

72. Actually Kerry should vigourously sell his flexibility.

Repugs want to define flexibilty as a negative. Kerry's team needs to go on the offensive and slam Bush's belief in rigid thinking.
There is an Aesop fable about a thin willowy reed holding through a storm, whereas the boostful oak (?) which claimed to be stronger cracked in the strong winds.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

23. Hey, it's all one big pro-war party. DLC/RNC.

We should be happy that it doesn't much matter which one you vote for.

Kerry pissed me off when he sold out on IWR. He supported and continues to support the illegal, so called, "war".

No thanks to both.

[Poiuyt]

24. Don't worry too much

Historically, Kerry has one of the most liberal voting records in the Senate. He's running to the right at this point to capture the moderates and the swing voters. Once he's in office, we'll see his true progressive colors.

[ibegurpard]

29. Please forgive my extreme skepticism

Expect a Democratic congressional landslide? Then don't kid yourself about Kerry being progressive in office.

[x-g.o.p.er]

30. It's an appeal to moderates...

Because the general consensus is that he has the base "sewn up".

He would never actually pick a Republican, because too many on the left base would abandon him, and he would have no chance of winning. This is an appeal to the Independents and Moderates who will view this as a guy who is trying to be bi-partisan and above the fray.

Don't worry, all is well.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

42. Well, he could appeal to liberals.

But, that would actually take ethics and courage. But, if to my utter amazement, he should do so, I'd vote for him.

[crossroads]

57. Whadayawan him to do rite now, go nuts by choosing a lib?

That would just *give* it to shrub... I'm progressive/liberal and can see he is playing the cards he's been dealt...

I got no problem with that, but if he chooses a liberal, he's gonna lose the undecideds... cut him some slack! ANYBODY is better than shrub...

Come on, don't give shrub your vote, it's TOO important!
:shrug:

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

80. I'm not giving Boobya my vote. I'm voting Green.

Kerry gave Bush his vote on IWR and continues to support the war. I'm voting against it.

[NoPasaran]

31. Well La Dee Friggin' Dah

[Generator]

37. With any luck he'll be pissing you off for a good eight more years

[JHBowden]

39. Go Bush!

:think:

Trust me, there will be a Democrat on the ticket. The ghosts of dead Democrats have talked to me; they are quite common in Chicago.

[chimpy the poopthrower]

41. Siiiiiigh....Look everyone, it NEVER HAPPENED.

Geez! How many threads to we have to have about this BS story?

Read this, please:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1786190

[Forkboy]

50. Then all the people spinning this to say it was a brilliant move

by the kerry camp to get the independants attention are wrong?

[chimpy the poopthrower]

52. Read my linked thread.

Yes, I think they are wrong. There is no proof that Kerry is pushing this story. Of course anything is possible, but I don't think it makes sense. And the burden of proof is on those making the claim.

[ibegurpard]

53. The Kerry campaign could put this to rest by CATEGORICALLY denying it

instead we get "no comment" and continued assurances as to how brilliant this is.

[chimpy the poopthrower]

55. I responded in other thread. (nt)

[mike_c]

44. I've already made that decision....

The most anti-Iraq occupation candidate will get my vote. That's looking like Cobb or Nader at this point.

[JHBowden]

46. Consequentially,

you are enabling the most pro-Iraq (pro-anywhere, perhaps) invasion candidate.

We do have an opportunity to flush this crap (exposing CIA personnel for political gain, giving secret information to Iranian spies, "bring it on", etc.) down the toilet. Seize it.

[crossroads]

59. Well, don't effin complain when we get 4 more years of insanity...

Smart move, that'll show the Kerry campaign how committed you are to a lost cause! Use yer head...
:eyes:

[mike_c]

78. lost cause or not, I am indeed committed....

I won't vote for a pro- Iraq war candidate. Kerry can still earn my vote if he wants it. U.S. out of Iraq!

[crossroads]

79. Your no-vote in that case - is indeed a pro-vote for the greatest pro-war

candidate... Bush and cronies... How can you justify your line of thinking?
Kerry will inherit Iraq...
there can be no abrupt pull-out, IMO.
When the UN accepts some of the responsibility of policing the area then Kerry can withdraw our troops when the place is stable...
I am just as anti-war as you are, but reason has a place in my mind!
Now is the time for reason. We must work together to rid the WH of Bush... we have the same cause at heart...
:toast:

[emulatorloo]

88. Glad you are rich enough to weather four more years of GW & thick skinned

enough to manage 4 more wars. . .

[louis c]

64. You might as well vote Bush

and get it over with, because that's the same thing.

[kaitykaity]

48. I LOVE the idea of a Kerry/McCain ticket.

It would whup Bush/Cheney like an old rug.

Read David Ignatius' column about this. "Senator,
your country needs you."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A33145-2004Jun10?language=printer

[crossroads]

51. Don't hurt him, he is the only one we have like him...

he is courting the independants now, cut him some slack...
:shrug:

[louis c]

56. Wake Up

For Christ's sake, don't you get it. This election is about the 10% in the middle. Let's just try to win one for a change. This guy is getting clobbered for being the most Liberal Senator in the Senate, and you might not vote for him because you can't understand his tactics. Grow up and be realistic, it's either Kerry, or fuckin' Bush, that's it. And no amount of crying is gonna change that.

[crossroads]

58. Hear hear!!

:yourock:

[DrFunkenstein]

68. The "Massachusetts Uber-Liberal" Tactic Won't Work For Rove

They're probably gonna try anyway, but even the media will have to concede Kerry's centrism - right up until he's elected. Then we will have the most liberal President since Kennedy, maybe even FDR.

Put that in your pipe and puff it.

[Stuckinthebush]

73. Best post of the day

Thanks, louis c.

Wake up, indeed!

[Killarney]

82. AMEN!

Great post.

I'm sick of the fucking whining and crying without actually thinking logically.

WE NEED TO WIN. TO WIN, we NEED the moderates. Let Kerry say whatever he fucking has to say to get in office. Then, once he's in office and we have BushCo out, then we can see how he does and either praise him or be critical of him based on his actions. BUT LET's WIN FIRST!

[louis c]

91. That's my Thinking

In elections, there's winning and losing, and nothing in the middle. Maybe if we had a parliamentary system, it would be a little different. But we don't. By the way, try reading my post "Please Don't Make my Mistake" from yesterday on this same subject.

[pinto]

70. I didn't hear that Kerry was "courting" a Republican VP.......

at least not from any primary source. Lottsa media gab, second hand spin and fall out here.....

[dollydew]

77. Not Voting for Kerry Re: McCain

Anyone see a pattern here? I've seen more than one post here saying Kerry is no good for even considering McCain as VP. Funny. One minute Dem's/Progressives/Liberals say the SCLM lies. Next minute the story about McCain and Kerry is taken as gospel. Then there are multiple posts saying "don't vote for Kerry, he's just like Bush". We're being played people. Wake up. Bush is in deep trouble about the torture/rape/killing of innocent civilians. He's in deep trouble about the memo parsing the law to justify torture. Suddenly that's no longer important. It's more important whether or not Kerry asked/hinted/suggested McCain should be his VP. It's dirty tricks IMHO. Worried about jobs? Nah McCain might be the VP for Kerry. Worried about the false terrorism report (terrorism has gone up since Bush started the "war on terror"). Nah McCain might be Kerry's VP. Worried about the death destruction and mayhem in Iraq? Nah... you get the point. Kerry has been in politics for over 30 years. He's been on the ropes before and still won. Does that sound like an political idiot to anyone? The man knows what he's doing. This is the only card they have to play. The McCain card. Distraction from Plame, stealing memos, diverting funds illegally to Iraq etc. It's a chain jerker. Please don't fall for it.

[ClassWarrior]

85. Guess you better volunteer for the Bush campaign, huh??

n/t

[Lindacooks]

89. Oh, grow up

You apparently want your candidate to be a clone of yourself; it ain't gonna happen. EVER. If you don't vote for Kerry, you're voting for Bush*.

[Delano]

90. Kerry & McCain have both consistently denied these rumors.

So your criticism is moot.

[lumpy]

92. Vote Kerry

He will get rid of Ashcroft, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Armitage, Perle, Woolsey, and all the rest of the Far Right Ideologists. Won't it be delightful to see Cheney permanently retired to live off his ill-gotten gains. You have a choice, Bush or Kerry, that's it. Kerry will try his best and it won't be easy trying to clean up the mess Bushco has left behind. Don't waste your vote. Who will you be most confortable with, Bush or Kerry ? Brains or Bushwah ?