Is there a possibility someone other than Kerry...

[King_Crimson]

could be chosen at the convention? The more I read about his philosophy...the LESS I trust him...and this from a guy who was stationed in Thailand during the Viet Nam war! I just wanna know you folks opinions on this.
I was 100% behind him early on...now about 65%

[MikeG]

1. His delegates are pledged to vote for him on the first ballot.

[Pastiche423]

27. Would you be kind enough

to give me a link to that statement?

Or tell me what to google to find the rules of the convention.

TIA!

[MikeG]

29. Democratic+party+convention+rules would be a start

Its always been a rule. In the old days before primaries, there would be more than one ballot. Then a dark horse could enter the race as a compromise.

[Pastiche423]

32. Any other suggestions?

That brought up state by state rules. When I added "national", the same thing happened.

I hate feeling ignorant about the process.

[onehandle]

2. No. nt

[freetobegay]

3. No. nt/

[NoPasaran]

4. It's Kerry or me

And frankly, I don't like my chances

[jjmalonejr]

5. No.

What part of his philosophy is giving you trust issues?

[King_Crimson]

6. McCain...

What about Bob Kerrey or Bob Graham? No...I don't have a "BOB" fetish! AND...WES CLARK!! :evilgrin:

[jjmalonejr]

10. You mean you're freaked out about his overtures to McCain?

That's different from distrusting his philosophy. He's about as progressive as they come in the Senate.

His courting McCain is a political decision, geared towards building a coalition government(where a lot more could be accomplished than might otherwise be done by a Democratic president and a Republican Congress). It's controversial, but it shouldn't call into question his well establish liberal credentials. It's not like he's not going to suddenly turn pro-life and start launching pre-emptive wars and slashing important social programs.

[markses]

7. Oh for God's sake

Just go ahead and vote for Bush.

Jesus FUCK.

If you are not 100% behind Kerry AT THIS POINT IN THE RACE, just go fucking vote for Bush. GO. VOTE. FOR. BUSH. Defeatist bullshit. Problems will be sorted out after we win, not fucking before. Fucking fuckety fuck fuck. Defeatist and demoralizing fucking bullshit threads. All fucking day long.

[pinto]

8. no effing sh*t. some gossip 'bout McCain and it's bail out time..go figure

eom.

[markses]

14. Namby Pamby selfish shite, is what it is

I played hockey as a kid, and I've never seen anything like it. Nobody who has played sports has seen this kind of navel-gazing. Imagine being 1 goal up between the second and third periods, and a teammate starts in with "Do we really deserve to win? I think we might lose even if we did win...etc.etc.etc." You'd tell that "teammate" to get with the fucking program and pronto. Save the bullshit for the post-game celebration. But no. One after the other. Political naivety that would astound a child, as if the only reason Kerry is UP IN THE FUCKING POLLS is because he presents an image of unity rather than the aggressive Bush divisiveness. Too naive to see even that. A guilty motive behind ewvery tree. This board is peopled with paranoids who would rather see us consumed in fire than give an inch on their precious selfish principles. Lunacy in open view. A window on to the aslyum of egoism. Two choices, and yes, the moment of decision is madness, but here they are: Kerry or Bush. Period. On the one hand the possibility of progress, on the other, the guarantee of destruction. Destruction: bodies piled up like cordwood as far as the eye can see, added to those buried and dead already: the Bush Death Machine Revving up and this time with impunity! That's the choice. It is simple. Millions of lives on the line, and people who are too naive to see the strength in Kerry's strategy clinging to their desperate principles. Bah! I'm not even a registered Democrat. I'm not. I voted for Nader in 2000. Stupid me. Always weigh the real stakes. And this time it is clear: The expansion, the endless expansion of the Bush Death Machine, killing tens of thousands over the next four years, its aggressiveness compunded by its incompetence at defence, bodies everywhere. The air, shot to shit. Your kids with asthma. Your daughters and girlfriends thrust back to into virtual slavery, their bodies the property of the state apparatus. Your treasuries depleted. Your jobs and livelihood sacrificed on the altar of the greedy. Your schools in catastrophe, your children ignorant and hopeless and penniless. GET IT? Do we fucking GET IT? And the lunatics chatter about Skull and Bones and McCain. And everyday the paperboy brings more. Get with the fucking program.

[TorchTheWitch]

17. beautiful

couldn't have said it better myself.

[King_Crimson]

9. Tell ya what FRIEND...

check this out http://www.wsws.org/articles/2004/jun2004/mcca-j14_prn.shtml
NOW call me a COMMIE...but these guys are on OUR side! FUCK THIS and FUCK THAT!

[markses]

15. I'm a Marxist

I'll tell you that right now. I'm lefter'n left. Kerry must win. How many friends and neighbors have you buried due to Bush's incompetence and corruption? I've got three down now, and that number will increase exponentially if Bush is re-elected. Guaranteed. You can throw a thousand articles in my face on any number of bullshit theories. This is a cold guarantee. I opt for the possibility of progress over the guaranetee of destruction. To do otherwise is insane. So, you should know what I think about your position.

[0rganism]

19. So? Kerry will run to the right on foreign policy, that's expected

He has to put up this front, otherwise he'll be credibly pilloried as "weak on terrorism" and that will cost him big-time in the ad campaigns and interviews. The alternative is bush. You gonna vote for bush? Come on, now, let's hear you give it up for bush.

Sen. Kerry deserves your vote on domestic issues alone, even if he sucks as badly as bush does wrt military deployments and interventionism. I wish we had a "what would have happened" crystal ball, because I would love to bet you big money that President Kerry's foreign policy will be measurably preferable to whatever bush would do in the same circumstances.

You know what? 65% is good enough as far as I'm concerned. It's probably higher than my approval was for Kerry when I committed to vote for him if he won the nomination. You can be certain that Sen. McCain will not be the VP candidate for Kerry.

[King_Crimson]

25. Thank you Organism...

for your support! I did NOT mean to start a flame war here!

[0rganism]

39. The lesson from this thread should be clear

As we draw closer to election day, deviation from outright Kerry support is going to be less and less popular. Please forgive your fellow DUers, and understand the eagerness to get rid of bush, even if that means enthusiastically holding your nose as you cast your vote.

Unity on the left has never been more needed. Don't let Kerry's many flaws distract you from the one thing you can do to stop the full-on bush disaster.

[Solidarity]

28. A Front?

What makes you think it's just a "front"?

[0rganism]

38. Yes -- a front

He's a politician, running for the presidency, trying to win votes from some exceedingly warlike and violent people.

Do you think he's stupid? Do you think he really wants to run the USA with a bush-style foreign policy? Do you think he's lost every shred of idealism he once had in his heart when he protested the Vietnam war? Do you think he's an idiot who believed every damn lie out of bush's mealy mouth?

I don't.

But if you think a candidate can win the Democratic nomination, let alone the presidency, by running with the expressed intentions of promoting world peace, I recommend you check in with the Kucinich campaign and see how that worked out. Not that I don't agree with it -- hell, I just took my "Kucinich for President" sign down a few weeks ago, when he lost the Oregon primary. Face the facts: Sen. Kerry is the Democratic nominee, and he's campaigning to get the votes of the American people.

Don't blame John Kerry for taking a stance on the invasion that's compatible with our worst natures; understand that he's driven by political necessity, in a country that favors violence as the solution to its problems. Maybe he'll be the one to lead us away from that destructive stance -- but in order to lead, he has to start where the people are.

And if he's not? Then we're back where we were with Clinton; at least there'll be someone competent and intelligent running the show, who isn't in hock to the corporatists, anti-choicers, and xenophobes.

[FleshCartoon]

23. Testify!

I'm serious. That's my sentiment exactly.

[Catherine Vincent]

24. LOL!

[union_maid]

30. Can we quote you?

So many of us have voiced this sentiment, but I haven't seen it put quite so well before. I'm definitely going to adopt "fuckety fuck fuck" which probably has 1001 uses. "Defeatist and demoralizing fucking bullshit threads..." sound exactly right to me. DU is becoming a very depressing place at the same time that it's the best place to gather the news that makes it clear that this administration needs to go we can only hope that November isn't too late!

[mountainvue]

35. Amen brother.

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[King_Crimson]

13. Wanna 'splain that remark John_H?

you want the same shit to continue? READ that article my friend! If this same old bullshit continues, we are FUCKED!!

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[ShaneGR]

12. Thailand?

Where did you get this crap?

[Cleita]

18. Thailand or Bangkok more specifically was where the

military was able to take R & R during the Vietnam War so I wouldn't doubt Kerry spent some time there. I was worried about the McCain rumors myself. I'm not worried about a Democratic administration and a Republican Congress. Whatever the Congress tries to ram through, Kerry can veto, so maybe there will be some gridlock but at least it will stop the neo-con mudflow that *W is selling us down the river with.

[pinto]

20. dig this, Dems w/Kerry as Prez and an "under 60" Repub Senate hold more

power than any Democrat can right now. That is the political fact.

[LuminousX]

21. You prefer Bush?

[King_Crimson]

22. I've been on this board since January 2001

and you got the gall to ask me that! I was kinda hoping maybe Dean would come up outta the smoke and challenge Kerry!

[LuminousX]

26. United we stand. And I am full of gall.

[mountainvue]

36. Oh for Christ's

sake...should have seen that one comin'. Let it go already. You got two choices, Bush or Kerry. Let Howie go already. Jesus.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

31. A slight one...he dies.

Kerry is, and will be, the nominee. His potential presidency is an unknown. If he soars, admire his flight. If he disappoints, keep the flame to his ass.

[unkachuck]

33. I'm new here....

....but I see nothing wrong with asking questions....you guys are brutal at eating your own.....

The fact that many feel that way is testimony to Kerry's pathetic charm and appeal.....

Just because we're being forced to vote for the son-of-a-bitch doesn't mean we have to like it, can't look around or ask hypothectical questions.....

If you don't like the fuckin' thread, then why do you respond to it?....

[mountainvue]

37. Where'd you

think this whole election is headed? Disneyland? This is serious.

[Nlighten1]

40. You should have been here for the primaries.

If you think these pro-Kerry, knuckle-draggers are bad now it was even worse then.

Oy.

If someone dares to voice an opinion now that doesn't support their candidate...well, the anti-conformity Nazis rear their head.

"We don't have to be happy with Kerry, we just have to vote for him."

That is the mantra now of these people.

I'm of the opinion that I don't like Kerry but I consider him slightly better than Bush. However, what I don't want more than anything is to see Bush get away with all this shit he has done. AND these guys have been getting away with it for so long they think they will.

I want a President who will nail Bush and his corrupt family to the political cross.

John Kerry isn't that person.

But I suppose now I will be called selfish because "my" desires aren't being met.

Well, go ahead, call me selfish...but all you "get in line" Democrats should consider yourself selfish too.

"Getting in line" isn't good enough. I've been "Getting in line" for a long time now, just to watch my party become increasingly irrelevant. And this election will just be another fine example of it.

I will vote for Kerry and I will be the first to say....


I FUCKING TOLD YOU SO.

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[ConsAreLiars]

34. Kerry is just one step toward reclaiming democracy

Today, in the real world of corporatist hegemony and people's impotence, the only viable candidate available will be a compromise. Kerry has good progressive creds on the issues, but he also has to be able to assure the CFR WTO etc types that he will serve them at the same time as he advocates (even acts?) on behalf of the interests of the people in general. This is all that we can get, as things are. Still, as Chomsky observed, we at least have more time to organize, rather than immediately facing overt fascism.

[Erika]

41. I'm for Kerry

He fought for his country and he's lead a life of public service. I'm proud to be for him.

[Tarheel_Dem]

43. thank you erika.........

another proud kerry supporter here. i am so sick of the bitching & whining of the sore losers & trolls. if they don't like kerry, vote for bush or nader, but can't we just please get past the primaries, already? geez.