Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Please Don't Make My Mistake

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (Through 2005) Donate to DU
 
louis c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 09:44 PM
Original message
Please Don't Make My Mistake
I was a political junkie in 1968, and just 16 years old. You still had to be 21 to vote then, that's how far back that was. My father was a local pol, so I always was interested in the action of politics.

As a firebrand, anti-war activist, I helped collect signatures for Sen Eugene McCarthy, and worked against LBJ in N.H. (I'm from Mass.). This was done before Bobby Kennedy entered the race. I supported McCarthy in my little way as the primaries heated up, and LBJ dropped out.

I remember staying up 'till 2;00 A.M (EDT) on June 5, to watch the results from Cal., the night RFK was killed.

My dad forbade me from going to Chicago for the convention (thank God), and I hated Humphrey for being V.P. with that war mongering LBJ. I thought he was the same.

In the general election my family and freinds felt that there was no difference between Humphrey and Nixon. Republican and Democrat became blurred.

Looking back at that time, how foolish and naive we all were. How we played into the hands of the bastards who hated us. Unions, minorities, women, students, even those who were against the war took out our bitterness on the wrong guy. Does anyone who lived through that period even think that this country was better off with that asshole Nixon than we would have been with Humphrey?

Idealism has its place, but then a time comes in which realism must take its place. Not forever, but for that time in which great and long lasting decisions are made. We live with the consequences of those decisions forever. The difficult choice is deciding when that time is, and what decision to make.

That time is now, that decision is supporting John Forbes Kerry.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
JimT Donating Member (111 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 09:49 PM
Response to Original message
1. Well said. (nt)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 09:51 PM
Response to Original message
2. The willow that bends in the wind survives...the oak breaks.
Rigid idealism is not the way to win.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Poiuyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 10:00 PM
Response to Reply #2
9. Very well said, grasshopper
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 09:52 PM
Response to Original message
3. "Idealism has its place, but then a time comes in which realism must take
its place. Not forever, but for that time in which great and long lasting decisions are made. We live with the consequences of those decisions forever. The difficult choice is deciding when that time is, and what decision to make.

That time is now, that decision is supporting John Forbes Kerry."

louis c, you hit that nail squarely! Bravo.

and welcome to the DU! :toast:

Looking forward to seeing more of your posts!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 09:53 PM
Response to Original message
4. We can learn from
the past. Thanks for the post. I don't remember that election, but I've suffered from political apathy and the feeling that it doesn't matter who wins, they're all the same. THAT IS NOT TRUE!!!Support Kerry.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
FleshCartoon Donating Member (592 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 09:55 PM
Response to Original message
5. Thank you.
I really wish people would listen to this message--idealism is great, but pragmatism is better.

Compromise is the way things generally get done in life, and politics is no different than other things.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 09:56 PM
Response to Original message
6. On a visceral level...
... I am dissapointed with some of the apparent strategies of the Kerry campaign. Mostly because I think they won't work.

But make no mistake. Come November I WILL BE VOTING for the Democratic candidate, be it John Kerry or Howdy Doody.

That is simply non-negotiable, and I make no apologies for that stance.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
madinmaryland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 09:57 PM
Response to Original message
7. Too bad, there were not
more people feeling that way in 2000. then maybe we would not be in the mess we find ourselves now. bush does not equal GORE. Gore did actually win.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
blackcat77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 10:00 PM
Response to Original message
8. Sounds exactly like me, Louis.
We're even the same age, but I'm from Indiana.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 10:02 PM
Response to Original message
10. Good post louis c.
My family loved Nixon, but I didn't. I was a union member at the time and a budding feminist. They were Republicans. Fortunately, family was sad but didn't disown me. Those were turbulent days. We had a problem with LBJ because of Vietnam. It's too bad because then that was our quagmire and it overshadowed so many other things that were positive and lasting. And it's too bad that the WH tumbleweed never read a history book and is repeating LBJ's mistake.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 10:05 PM
Response to Original message
11. louis, excellent posting my new friend
what so many forget about a democracy is that it's strength lies in pragmatic negotiation.

Unfortunately, the neocons have refused to allow any negotiation or questioning of their world view.

I hope that we can start up a dialog again in this country and that labor and 'bosses' can again strive for the best (or at least a reasonable compromise) to bring this country together again

thanks again and I, for one, am glad to see you on this forum again

:-)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 10:13 PM
Response to Original message
12. Absolutely!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
vetwife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 10:19 PM
Response to Reply #12
14. Excellent point ! After RFK was killed I was stupid
I never voted again until Clinton came along. I got political again but may have been spared the Reagan years had I been political all along ! The man who brought us Bush
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
welshTerrier2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 10:19 PM
Response to Original message
13. well said but ...
unfortunately, DU seems to do a very poor job talking to the idealists ... i'm afraid idealists who visit DU meet with far too much hostility instead of the well reasoned statements you posted ...

it continues to amaze me that so many here forget that the mission is not about being right; it's about converting those who disagree with us ...

there is no alternative this year on the national level ... Kerry must be supported with all the time and money you can muster ... the statement some have made "i'll vote for him but i won't help him" makes no sense ... bush has got to go and therefore you should do all you can to make it so ... the fact that you may be turned off by some, or even many, of Kerry's positions does not change that fact ...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
louis c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 10:24 PM
Response to Reply #13
15. I must confess
that I'm really not as tolerant as this latest posting suggests. However, DU is teaching me some better habits, maybe I'm learning.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Fri May 10th 2024, 12:24 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (Through 2005) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC