I'm crying

[elf]

I just lost my lifelong dream.
We always wanted to live in this country,
when we where successful in Germany we brought our company to the NY stock market and went public.(1996-Telecommunication)And moved to the US

In the past years we payed more than 40MILL.$!!!!!!Taxes and always felt good about it, because when we are members of a society we have to pay taxes!!! Simple as that!
We've got our Green Card and have to wait 5 more years to apply for citizenship.

The last few weeks, we are looking out for European Real Estate, to move, because our dream dies............maybe there is a slight chance and I hope we are stable enough to wait, who will be elected!

BTW, we employed 1200 Americans.............!!!!!!

I'm very sad tonight!

[Eric J in MN]

1. Is the reason you're leaving that you can't become a citizen for

Is the reason you're leaving that you can't become a citizen for at least 5 years?

[elf]

13. No, No

after getting the Green Card you have to prove, that your status is still valid after 2 years(investment and a lot of things, they wanted from us).
So if 2 years are gone and they check, if all our data are still OK, we get the permanent Green Card. That gives us the possibility to ask for Citizenship. From that day on it takes us 5 years before we can apply for citizenship!!
In this time we are treated like Americans, except voting.

But in case of people like us, we will never take advantage of social benefits, because before we apply for the Green Card, we have to prove for sure, that we are financial on our own.

It's a long process and when you know, how much taxes we payed(more than 40 Mill.$) Employed app.1200 Americans, we did all that, because we wanted to live in this great Country. (1996)

Times changed and we feel like we are thrown back into Germany in the 30th.
Our parents raised us, to see warning signs, we are seeing those................

America, the Beautiful......I still love you, but might leave you.

[merh]

16. we see the warning signs too

And we are trying like hell to get others to pay attention to them. Please help us, please share your insights with others. Your dreams are our dreams, don't give up on them. I know I won't give up on mine or my country.

[mzmolly]

19. Please help us ....

I second that.

[Unperson 309]

44. Unperson 309's Wife, Here

I agree with you that we are seeing warning signs.

Hitler's Germany has become such an overused comparison, and
such a myth for many people, especially Americans, that any
historical perspective and reality have often been lost for us
here in the United States. I have studied the period as an
amateur historian for almost 30 years, and the truly disturbing
thing about the current administration here in the U.S. is how
many parallels have happened already and the direction the
Bush government and his supporters are going. The death camps
did not happen right away; there was a relatively gradual
escalation, and many of the decent people in Germany didn't
realize how far things had gone, unless they were affected
directly, until it was far too late to do anything effective.
Americans need to realize that we are not unique or uniquely
virtuous, nor are we uniquely aggressive, violent, and heedless
of human rights. We are simply one ordinary nation and ordinary
people, with an ordinary government, dedicated, like all other
governments, to our interests as the government sees them, to
power, and to Realpolitik.

It is well for decent people in the U.S. and elsewhere to be
outraged at the things the U.S. government has done in the
past (genocide, slavery, aggressive war) and in the present,
but it would be foolish for us to be surprised. Like decent
people everywhere, it is up to us to fight back in whatever
ways we can, even if we fail. But it would be well for us in
the U.S. to realize we are not unique in that either; every age
and every nation has had decent people fighting the evils of
their government -- most of the time, the same evils we are
seeing today in the U.S.

If I were younger and had more saleable skills, I would be
tempted to move to another country myself. I know I am on
the administration's lists of undesirables somewhere, and if
things do go on as they are now, they will probably come for
me some day. I only hope that if and when my time comes, I can
behave as well as the decent Germans who opposed Hitler did
in their day.

[NMDemDist2]

2. i'm sorry too

it is criminal what this tin horn idiot has done to my country

I vote, I pay taxes, I try to be kind to my neighbor and welcome people from other lands and cultures

and here I am crying with you elf

[elf]

18. Here I am

and there are you:

I truely love the Americans.

:pals:

[Robin Hood]

3. Did the Bush economy sink you?

It sunk me out of high tech.

[elf]

20. No

we invested not greedy, we just took care, that our money is stable, save for the next Generation, no tax-troubles, everything legal and save.

The US market is still stable...............

[elf]

4. It happened when I read this

As A Vietnam Veteran Who Saw Alot Of Death, I Have Things To Say (GRAPHIC)

Edited on Mon Jun-14-04 10:14 PM by stepnw1f
As A Vietnam Veteran Who Saw Alot Of Death, I Have Things To Say
Reply to: [e-mail]
Date: 2004-06-14, 7:16PM EDT

I found this at Craig'slist and felt compelled to post it here.

http://boston.craigslist.org/pol/33755019.html


I worked at the US Army Mortuary Tan Son Nhut the year that the most American's were killed. (5,000+) I saw the results of our society trying to control another society for religious and political purposes and for the purpose of getting our hands on the huge offshore oil deposits nearby. I saw your uncle, your dad, your neighbor's dad's body blown to shit, burnt to a crisp or with a tiny little hole in his chest, never to rise off that embalming table again. I saw the massive walk-in refrigerators we kept the bodies in, full to the brim most days; hundreds at a time. Sometimes there were so many we had them stacked up outside until we could 'process' them. I smelled the stink of death and formaldehyde and can still smell it anytime I go in a supermarket and smell the meat department; the smell is very similiar. Next time you're in a supermarket think about it; this is the way our children smell now; our dead children, their dead children.

I saw the mass graves that we dug to bury all the innocent civilians we murdered. (2 million). I saw thousands of pictures of similiar war crimes as we have just seen a few of from Iraq as I sorted through the deceased American Soldier's personal properties. I saw heads they had cut off and locked in their footlockers; along with many other sick things cut off people's bodies. I saw pictures of American soldiers raping children and women and men, raping dead bodies even. Cutting ears, hands, feet, genitalia, even heads off of people, some of them probably alive still as the 'trophy' was taken. Trophy pictures, that's what the pictures at Abu Ghraib are and you'd better believe there are tens of thousands of these pictures from across Iraq that we haven't even seen. Pictures of American Soldiers doing horrible things to innocent people. That's what being given complete permission to kill people does to you. It destroys your humanity.

I saw pictures of G.I.'s standing over piles of dead children, piles of dead women, smiling and holding their body parts up as a trophy. This is happening in Iraq right now.

MORE------> http://boston.craigslist.org/pol/33755019.html

- Dostoevsky depressed me, yet I still read on...

[Eric J in MN]

8. You're leaving to protest the Iraq War? (nt)

nt

[Cheswick2.0]

40. no not to protest the war....because elf sees too many similarities

between Germany of the 1930s and the USA now.

[mzmolly]

11. America has seen alot of turmoil. Please have faith that Bush will

be evicted and things will turn around.

If he isn't take me to Europe with you!

Wait and see what happens in November ok? :hug:

[elf]

22. I heard you!!!!!!!!!

:hi:

[nose pin]

14. So....

You're closing your business and laying off 1200 Americans because of an anonymous post you read on craigslist?

Try reading these two articles. Maybe you'll decide to stay.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3804803.stm

http://in.news.yahoo.com/040614/137/2dmr4.html

[merh]

21. Don't you see, Bush has destoyed the American dream . . .

"Times changed and we feel like we are thrown back into Germany in the 30th. Our parents raised us, to see warning signs, we are seeing those................
America, the Beautiful......I still love you, but might leave you."

The boy weed has destroyed the dream that you and I have shared and that millions of immigrants hope to realize by coming here. Soon, he and his Klan will have the tablet on the Statute of Liberty changed to "Don't you dare - Keep the F*** Away"

Elf sees the warning signs and we need Elf to share his/her insights with others.

Please help us Elf.

[elf]

25. I don't give up easily

:toast:

[elf]

24. When we leave

WE NEVER WOULD LAY OFF WORKERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

When we take care for our selves (that's political values), we first take care for our people!
That's the way, we did it all our life and that made us successful.

People who work for us are save!

Basic value in our live!

[merh]

27. thank God for business people like you . . .

that is why we need you to stay. Your concern for your workers outweighs your greed, how refreshing and rare. The troubles we are having here are due to greed, the love of money and power. We need people like you to stay and help us prove that prosperity and humanity can go hand in hand. Don't give up on us, we need people like you.

Bless you Elf, my prayers are with you and our nation.

[elf]

29. Thanks

we want to look intoo the mirror in the morning and not feeling ashamed, what we see

[gator_in_Ontario]

41. And therein lies the key

how many can look in the mirror and not be ashamed?

[mike_c]

5. Self deleted....

...I'm in a lousy mood tonight.

[Pachamama]

6. Was hat passiert? Warum weinst du?

what happened that your now crying...something specific or just the impact of all the Sheisse from this administration for the last 3 1/2 years and the scary realization of where this country is headed?

Ich ueberlege auch nach Europa zu gehen...ich fuehle verloren in Bush's Amerika...

:hug:

[LittleApple81]

9. We could form a club of ex-DUers in Germany! I don't speak German

but I understand it (I should be studying it instead of DUing my time away...) I will probably move in December or January (no matter if Kerry wins or loses). I want him to win for American and the world...

[elf]

30. we should stay and fight

until it's over

When he is reelected, we should start to think, what we can do.....

Never ever another Invasion or whatever

But I promised my family, that I am with them to leave, I might try once again because

I love this land and it's people

[Name removed]

39. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[mike1963]

7. Help us get our nation back. I understand how you feel, though.

Wish I had something more optimistic to say. ;(

[salinen]

10. Sorry elf

In this version of America killing = love, and sex = evil. Can't imagine what could change this.

[merh]

12. I'm crying with you

actually, I have been crying since 2000, when the beast stole the election. I love my country and I have seen it deteriorate in so many ways that I was sure my heart couldn't be broken any more. That is until I read your post and I realized a different impact, a new hurt another crushed dream.

If I say just hang in there, there is a brighter future, please believe me, we will take our country back.

[Elwood P Dowd]

15. History repeats itself

The difference is........The Bush Cabal is not as smart as Hitler's, and there is too much information available moving much too quickly for this band of Nazis to succeed.

[komplex]

17. I don't get it...

It's a long road to US Citizenship. When you decided to apply for citizenship, didn't you look at the rules? These rules have been in place for some time. Or are you expecting something different because you are rich?

If you really want to be a US Citizen, you might want to write a check to a US Senator, *, or Kerry.

[merh]

23. Its about more than citizenship, its about the American dream

and the warning signs a German has been taught to recognize. Please see elf's other posts

"Times changed and we feel like we are thrown back into Germany in the 30th. Our parents raised us, to see warning signs, we are seeing those................

America, the Beautiful......I still love you, but might leave you."

[elf]

33. US Citizenship

we employed the best lawyers to get this done.
In our case it must have been very complicated, because our German Company did a joined Venture with an American Company. And so on and on...................

[elf]

36. I don't want to anger you

but you might not know, how hard it is to get legal into this country.
Many millions of dollars where spend by us..........BUT ...........we created working places for high payed people. From 100.000$ a year up!

I don't know what else you need to know!

I think the good thing is, you can't buy yourself into this country,
you have to prove, that you are able to create a future and show prosperity .

We never try-ed to buy us into this country, we have no need for that!!

We are absolutely independent. Thanks God!

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

26. I'm crying, too.

[uncle ray]

28. take us with you!

i'm ready to find my true home. i always knew it wasn't America, don't fit in. sadly i've only been to Canada, so i don't even know where to think of going yet. oh, to have the resources to even visit other countries!

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

31. Are you talking about the million dollar investor program?

known as the EB-5 immigration category? It's one where you must establish a commercial enterprise and invest a minimum of $1 million (or $500,000 in certain special poverty or rural zones) and provide work for at least 10 Americans or Green Card holders. That has become a very, very tough category and takes a long, long time. There is a 2 year conditional period between the 1st and 2nd Green Card and you MUST file before the end of the two years or lose everything. But getting that final green card approved after filing for it and going to a final interview now is taking a ridiculous amount of time. There has been abuse of this category in the past but I just don't understand why the USCIS (new name for INS) has made this category so tough (if this is your category for the Green Card) as it's a job creation category that the US could dearly use right now.

[elf]

35. Yes, this is all well known

and that is so simple and basic known to us.

We know, that everything we did for "our new Country" we did it for "them" and for us.

Input gives output!!

Any questions?:loveya:

[elf]

37. Yes

it's exactly what you wrote................

That's the way we've got our Green Card!

Everything else is a bit more complicate..............


............but our international lawyers take very good care.

[President Jesus]

32. What is wrong with you people???

There is no way * is getting reelected. Isn't that a good thing???

If * were riding some kind of 90% approval right now, you might have a point. But by all indications, he's looking to lose worse than Carter did.

Isn't this a good thing??? I don't get all this despair and 'crying'. My god, buck up and fight the good fight.

[Kanary]

34. well, aren't you just the sweet one........

how........speshul

:eyes:

[elf]

38. Kick

it's not proper to kick our own post but in this case it's

3.18am East Coast and before I go to bed I just want to get it going...........

nighty night to all of you

Elfi:grouphug:

[Democracy Died 2004]

42. Please do not

feel sad. The reality is that the American dream died a long time ago. The real one anyway. Now all that is left is the American economical dream. But even that is in sad shape unless you have the morals of a repug. You cry now but I cry too, I have lost a country. Right now there is a passion in my heart to take it back by whatever means necessary. Lately i reflect much on the times hundreds of years ago, and think of the sacrifice made by my ancestors to become free. And I wonder, is this what it will take to become liberated from tyranny again? I do not know but i fear there is a storm coming and the hardest days are ahead of all freedom loving peoples.

[Hubert Flottz]

43. Don't let the scum run you off!

Stay here and help us win this fight! America is still worth fighting for! I never thought the threat would come from within, but the Constitution was set up to guard against it and I believe in the end the Constitution will work for us!

[GreenPartyVoter]

45. Hopefully the best possible situation for you will come about.