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democrat in Tallahassee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 12:52 PM
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great quote from Bertrand Russell
The fundamental cause of trouble in the world today is that the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt.
-- Bertrand Russell, "Christian Ethics" from Marriage and Morals (1950), quoted from James A. Haught, ed., 2000 Years of Disbelief

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Donating Member ( posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 01:01 PM
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1. he stole that line from Yeats, more or less
Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all convictions, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.


Surely some revelation is at hand;
Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi
Troubles my sight: somewhere in sands of the desert
A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds.
The darkness drops again; but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?
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Journeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 01:13 PM
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2. And all good literature "borrows" from the past. . .
Bill Shakespeare, Sonnet 76:

Why is my verse so barren of new pride?
So far from variation or quick change?
Why with the time do I not glance aside
To new-found methods, and to compounds strange?
Why write I still all one, ever the same,
And keep invention in a noted weed,
That every word doth almost tell my name,
Showing their birth, and where they did proceed?
O know sweet love I always write of you,
And you and love are still my argument:
So all my best is dressing old words new,
Spending again what is already spent:

For as the sun is daily new and old,
So is my love still telling what is told.

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Donating Member ( posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 01:17 PM
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3. Shakespeare is a great example
of doing just that.

I should have said that I'm not giving Russell trouble.
Might have sounded that way.
It's just that Yeats' poem is such a beautiful statement, I thought it should be given credit. I think Russell would want it that way also. I'm sure he had Yeats' poem in mind when he made his statement.
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wurzel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 01:47 PM
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4. Is it possible that Yeats stole it from Russell, more or less?
Great poem tho. Is it more true today, or has it always been true?
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Fenris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 01:49 PM
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5. No. Look up their birth/death dates.
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Donating Member ( posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 01:54 PM
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7. I don't think that answers it though
Yeats 1865- 1939
Russell 1872- 1970

I think Yeats said it first, but that's just my feeling.
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Donating Member ( posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 01:50 PM
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6. Yeats' poem is from 1916 I think
at least it is about events in 1916 & I think he wrote it around that time.
It all depends when Russell first made his statement.
I do think they were in the same circle though, so it's completely possible that some conversation even occurred between them at some point.
some kind of cross pollination
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