What will happen if * manages to steal another one.

[MoonRiver]

Our country will go down the PNAC path.
The draft, of men and women, will be reinstated.
The gap between poor and ultra rich will dramatically increase.
The middle class will dwindle, and we can write off achieving the American dream unless we're born into it.
Folks will be dying on the streets from old age, disease, exposure, etc. because of the total lack of a social safety net and health care.
Domestic and other forms of violence will increase as people drift into total despair and hopelessness.
The US will become an international pariah.

I know all these things will occur. What I'm unsure of is whether Repubs and Dems in Congress, along with the military will form a counter coup to finally overthrow these fascists. Or will it be up to the world community. And what will they do? At some point * will have totally destroyed our economy and our military will be stretched to the breaking point, even with millions of newly vetted cannon fodder draftees. We will probably be easy pickings against an enraged coalition of the willing (to destroy US). This nightmare scenario goes on and on. Hope I'm wrong.

:scared:

We HAVE TO WIN THIS NOVEMBER!

[Liberal Veteran]

1. Cough****Canada****Cough

Any of you Canadians want to marry me?

[Taxloss]

2. The United Kingdom welcomes you.

If you can stand to be in the midst of pinko liberal Brits ...

[tom_paine]

4. Love that sigline!

And many of us aren't running.

Maybe we're the stupid ones. Time will tell.

[Taxloss]

7. I wasn't encouraging anyone.

I'd encourage you to stay. But the UK is a welcome harbour for disaffected Americans - I heard a figure of 10,000 here already, who I think would be better off in your country VOTING!

[smirkymonkey]

12. Really? Could an American

relocate to Britain without a job up front? If so, please tell me how! Thanks! :)

[Taxloss]

15. I don't know the rules exactly

But from the experience of friends, the Home Office gives out visas with very generous terms, so you can stay and work for months and years, and it's not hard to get an ILR if you're skilled (which means anything above Bush's level of intelligence). Oh, and we don't fingerprint US citizens and take eyescans at airports. Yet.

But I think your country really needs you right now.

[smirkymonkey]

22. Oh, of course, but if our votes are

stolen again and Monkey Boy gets a second term, I am out of here. Besides, I have always wanted to live in Europe anyway. At least for a while and i have some good friends living in England.

But I will fight to take back our country first. If that fails, I don't think I can take another four years here under the neo-cons.

Thanks for the info!

[Waverley_Hills_Hiker]

3. its all about managing decline.

We sort of where living in a "golden age of the common man" from. say, the 1940s thru the 1970s. Things started to "go downhill" in the 80s, and even the 1990s (yes, even under Clinton), so this is just the continuation of the trend.

Pretty much the trends or outcomes are going to happen everywhere. The deal is just accomodating the public to it. We are maybe further along in this than the Europeans.

I dont have any illusions that Kerry will be any better. I think he might be better in approaching things in foreign affairs in a more mulitlateral way, but the overall trend is towards a neoliberal (in the European sense of the word) global world, with the type of social and economic hard policy that you mention.

[tom_paine]

5. Managing decline

You said a mouthful!

Declining Republics become Empires. Declining Empires become...

...ruins?

[Taxloss]

8. They become tourist attractions.

Come visit historic Rome/London/Washington DC!

[Waverley_Hills_Hiker]

11. in our case...Argentina.

..and Urugay

Two examples of countrys that used to be economcially sucessfull places, but then went downhill.

Argentina was actually more prosperous than Spain 100 years ago. Now the roles are very reversed.

Not really talking empire here, just an example of a sucessfull middle class country that went down the tubes.

[MoonRiver]

10. No way do I think we'd be heading in the direction I described under Kerry

The only thing that blocked Clinton, and will block Kerry, from instituting the kinds of social reforms we need, such as socialized health care, is having a Repuke Congress. IF we can get that under control I visualize a wonderful era under Kerry's administration. It certainly won't be utopia, but compared to now, and what would come during and after 4 more of *, I'd be a happy camper with Kerry as my pres.

[Waverley_Hills_Hiker]

13. these economic trends are pretty overarching.

I dont' think Kerry will have much room for manouver if he has a Republican Congress.

Yes, things will be marginally better under Kerry, but the trend is globalization and marketization.

[MoonRiver]

14. How would that preclude health care, fair labor laws,

and other progressive social policies? Can't we globalize and still be civilized?

[genius]

6. I'm not so sure about Canada. Remember "The Day After Tomorrow."

If Hugo stops Bush, Venezuela would be nice.

[Vickers]

9. You don't want to know.

Seriously.

[mopaul]

16. don't get me started

i only hope if that happens that we do what we should have done the first time they robbed us of our election

[Vickers]

17. I've been reading a lot of things written at the founding of our country

these last few months. I wish more people who are pissed off about the direction our country is heading would do the same.

[Lori Price CLG]

21. Well, the second American Revolution will begin.

If the Idiot Usurper steals the election *again,* the second American Revolution should and will begin.

Lori Price

[stavka]

18. It's been said before.....Oh CANADA

I start looking for jobs in Canada....was there for the first time as an adult last summer...it is North America's democracy.

...and I'll have to check my guns at the door :(

[Striker Davies]

19. And some other developments...

Personal passports required for travel outside one's home state;

Exit visas required to leave the USA;

Abolition of abortion, followed by the essential requirement that no pregnant women may leave the USA on the assumption that she will have one elsewhere;

Sharp reduction of funding to state schools;

Criminalisation of any statement critical of Bush or his Junta;

Visa requirements re-imposed for all countries with refusals of entry for anyone with any record of any law-breaking, especially drug-related;

Massive enhancements to all "faith-based" government initiatives, essentially establishing a state religion;

Government service open only to those adhering to the state religion, the same rules applying to teachers;

Imposition of Creation teaching in all schools and the eventual elimination of science teaching that supports Evolution.

Thank god I live in Australia.

[iconoclastic cat]

20. We're packin' up and bailing town!

Already discussed. Ready to roll. Give the cats tranquilizers and giddyup! Holland, here I come.